#2 - Watered Down Soda
CartoonistWill on July 1, 2017
Today's Gospelman is a comic strip and is a part of the “Everyone” rated Gospelman. It is not solely for younger readers like the previous strip, nor is it directed only toward mature audiences. The strip in its originally form would take some thinking to understand but I felt lead, hopefully Holy Spirit lead, to add a couple of Bible verses.
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CartoonistWill at 10:54AM, Oct. 1, 2018
@ Harkovast - I've re-answered you and Larry's questions as a part of my Gospelman comic's letters page. Here is a snippet: "Ghandi was born with a sin nature. Ghandi broke God’s Laws. He was a racist, pedophile, rapist, and murderer of his wife. Because he is a criminal and has a corrupted nature, He needs God’s forgiveness and transforming power to make him fit to enter Heaven. Jesus died for Him and God sent Christians to Him to tell him about God’s love. He elsewhere is quoted as completely rejecting what Christ did for him on the cross. He says it was a tragedy, but there was nothing supernatural about it. Ghandi did many good things like the false believers in Matt. 7, but ultimately just like them he never repented towards God of his sin, trusted in what Jesus did for him on the cross, nor did he ask God for forgiveness, meaning he was not pardoned for his crimes nor was his sin nature replaced with a new uncorrupted nature. He was judged by God for his crimes."
CartoonistWill at 11:05AM, Oct. 1, 2018
I may change the reply slightly. It originally read, "Whether we know it or not, Ghandi broke God’s Laws at one time or another." But after reading what I did, I was upset towards Ghandi. Of course, he did not hide these sins of his. His PR people did. Still, "rapist" and "murderer" may be misleading. I'll have to do some thinking. I have only limited space on the letters page to explain though. The girls may have consented, but it is true he willingly withheld medicine that could save his wife's life and that he was bitter towards her. A month later, he took medicine to save his own life and his sexual experiments really picked up after her death. He is a hypocrite and consumed with sexual immorality. This is because he is a sinner by nature. I simply wanted to show that even Ghandi is a sinner in need of repentance and God's forgiveness. For more: http://www.revelation.co/2009/01/30/do-good-people-go-to-hell-what-about-bad-chrisitans/
CartoonistWill at 10:47AM, Oct. 1, 2018
@ Harkovast - (warning: this comment is not child friendly) I've done some research recently into Ghandi. Unfortunately, he was extremely sexually immoral. He ordered other men's wives, family members, and other young women, some younger than 18, to "sleep" nude together with him. At the end, he was "sleeping" nude with two women simultaneously. He also liked to order "children" (age?) to bathe nude and "sleep" together nude, so long as he could watch. I have placed quotation marks around "sleep" because Ghandi claims that they were ultimate tests of his purity to train himself to not lust or be aroused. Other sources close to Ghandi, such as the women themselves, say that they engaged in sexual activity such as strip tease. He also "murdered" his wife. https://allthatsinteresting.com/gandhi-facts-quotes-dark-side#1 and https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html
CartoonistWill at 6:47PM, June 25, 2017
@ For Hark or anyone interested: I finally discovered why some people think Adolph Hitler was a Christian. He used Christianity as a political tool to gain office, much like how he commissioned the Volkswagen, to gain the trust of the people. Also, he was a part of a false christian cult known as "Positive Christianity," a highly anti-semetic cult which rejected the entire Old Testament and the majority of the New Testament because it was deemed as too Jewish. The cult believed that Jesus was a blonde, blue-eyed Aryan who was cut short of his goal, the same as that of the Nazi party, when the Jews had him crucified. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In private he reviled and hated real, Biblical Christianity, but in public he acted the part to gain political power. However, when Hitler rose to power, he commenced to persecuting Christianity as he did Jews and attempted to diminish it's influence on society. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
CartoonistWill at 7:53PM, Nov. 9, 2010
@ Hark - Oh, I suppose there is just one more thing to add concerning the "No True Scotsman" debate of ours. Do not forgot that just because one Scotsman rapes or murders that this does not mean that all Scotsman are like this. Using only a few examples like Hitler or the conquistadors as a basis for an argument against God or Jesus or Christianity falls into this fallacy. Just because Hitler did not follow Christ but had Catholic church membership does not mean that all Catholics are like Hitler nor does it mean that every religious group that believes in some way in Jesus is like Hitler. Jesus Christ and His life's actions will always be the standard for Christ-like people to aspire to and emulate. Hitler did not even try to emulate this standard. So, please be careful not to fall to the fallacy of believing all Scotsman are rapists and murderers, unless of course this is the defining standard of a Scotsman. It however is not, although the defining standard of a Christ-like person is the life and deeds of Jesus Christ. It is this standard in which all Christians will be judged by in Heaven by Jesus Himself (Matthew 7:13-23).
CartoonistWill at 7:39PM, Nov. 9, 2010
@ Hark - Oh, I forgot one last point you brought up. I don't want to seem as if I am avoiding it. Yes, I also do not like that God torments those who reject Him for eternity. You don't know how many times I've asked Him to one day cease their pain. It is not something I like, but it is something I accept as a part of my beliefs. I am in complete agreement with you over how horrible it is, but one must remember that God is the only one justified to make such a decision. I really wish I could find a Biblical loophole not to believe in eternal damnation, but not believing something does not change whether or not it is in fact true. And if we are wrong and there is no Hell, I have nothing but joy concerning this revelation.
CartoonistWill at 7:30PM, Nov. 9, 2010
@ Hark - Oh, saw a potential misunderstanding in my last comment. I am not saying anything bad about the Catholic church as a whole, but only about any who continue to approve of the Holocaust or do not sincerely repent of Antisemitism. There are today Catholic church goers who love the Jewish people and would not dream of hating God's chosen people.
CartoonistWill at 7:23PM, Nov. 9, 2010
@ Harkovast - True, the excommunication was just something I heard and I provided no resources. But this doesn't change the point or outcome of my stance. You see, you still don't understand what it means to be a Christian. It means to be like Christ, that is the literal definition. The Words of Christ Himself back up that there are many false christians in the world, Hitler the Conquistadors and the Catholic Church being among them. Being like Christ cannot be accomplished by a spiritual belief, church membership, or affiliation; it can only be accomplished by being like Christ which requires one's actions to reflect this. In order to be a Scott one must simply be a Scottish citizen or have Scottish heritage; one does not need to act and live like a Scott in order to be a Scott. This is not possible with Christians however as church membership and spiritual beliefs can never make a person like Christ - they can only make them church-goers or religious which has nothing to do with being a follower of Christ which means to be "like Christ." Christ didn't go to church, He went to synagogue (and He is very rarely shown attending in Scripture and never mentioned to have a membership), and He chose to live out his spiritual beliefs in each of His actions every day. In a later New Testament letter, a man named James wrote this on the matter: James 2:18-20 (New King James Version) "But someone will say, âYou have faith, and I have works.â Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believeâand tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?" As stated before, the reason why the "No True Scotsman" fallacy cannot apply to my argument is because there is not an authoritative rule given by a Deity founder of Scotland stating that to be a Scotsman you must have the actions of a Scotsman. Why can't a Scotsman kill or rape and not be a Scotsman? This is only based on personal opinion and emotion. However when an authoritative all-powerful being tells you that in order to be called by His name you must live as He lived, things change because the rules of the game have changed. Most people who claim to be Christian are not followers of Christ at all because they do not meet the conditions by which to call themselves Christians; outsiders do not understand this and label all who claim the name of Christ the same. You see then that your complaint has nothing to do with me, but with hypocritical or false christians, by which I am also displeased. So then why cannot we, Hark, come to a truce and help spread the belief that Hitler was a bad man and that no follower of Christ should kill the Jewish people which Christ loves? Besides, I never said that a Christ-like person could never exhibit a bad deed, this is simply an assumption on your part. A Christ-like person is still a sinner but upon committing a bad deed will soon repent of it and keep going. The actions of Hitler and many others show no repentance. Speaking of the Jewish, it is not right of you to conclude they went to Hell. I never claimed this and it is your very own conclusion. Many Jewish, many I know personally, have faith in Jesus as Messiah. It is not our place to decide if the Jews of the Holocaust went to Heaven or Hell seeing as how we never knew them personally. The same goes for the Astecs; we only assume they had never heard of Jesus, but we do not know this. For the Jewish, we must remember that the Jewish people are said constantly through out Torah and Christian New Testament Scripture to be loved deeply by God, are the Apple of His eye, that Christianity is a Jewish religion first and a Gentile religion second (Romans 1:16), and that Jesus - a Jewish man Himself - wept for the Jewish because they would not reciprocate His love (Matthew 23:37). For the Catholics to have approved of the Holocaust would only prove according to the teachings of Christ that those who approved of such are the enemies of God, Jesus Christ, and are not living within the will of God and unless they show signs that these same people repent of this and openly disapprove, there is no reason to believe they are like Christ as Christ would not approve of the slaughter of millions of His country men whom He and His father loves. Is any of this starting to sink in? You do not have to agree with it in order to begin to understand what it means to be like Christ. It is an extremely simple concept, really. I enjoy our talks, looking forward to more, Hark.
harkovast at 9:29AM, Nov. 9, 2010
When was Hitler excommunicated? The Catholic church was notable for NOT condemning the holocaust of the Jews. Your arguments seems to be based on the idea that it is impossible to be a bad person and a christian at the same time, and anyone who proves to be Christian and bad are not a TRUE follower of Christ. THis type of argument is called "No true scotsman." I wont explain it here, but you should look it up, it is quite enlightening. But even if I acept your arguments...that still means hitler and his victims BOTH went to hell. Hitler may have murdered jews, but at least he did not torture them for eternity like God does!
CartoonistWill at 9:28PM, Oct. 23, 2010
@ Hark - I accidentally had some spelling and grammar errors in my comment below, but I think you'll be able to figure out what I'm saying. :-)
CartoonistWill at 9:24PM, Oct. 23, 2010
@ Harkovast - Thanks, man, for the comment! Yeah, it seems really messed up, but like many others it's easy for someone to completely miss the definition or point of what it is to "follow Jesus." Jesus Himself said (Matthew 7:13-23), "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheepâs clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to Me, âLord, Lord,â shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, âLord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?â And then I will declare to them, âI never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!â" According to Jesus, there will be many who claim or even appear to follow Jesus but will do bad. These will not make it to heaven. Why? Because they never truly followed Jesus at all but claimed or appeared as if they did. According to Jesus in the above paragraph one can know whether or not someone is truly following Him by the deeds they do. Hitler may have claimed he was Roman Catholic (the Pope kicked him out of the church during WWII and I've never seen any evidence supporting that he personally claimed he was Catholic - and being Catholic and being Christian is not the same was following Christ), but his deeds prove that he did not follow Christ in his heart. Or otherwise his actions and life would have been different because following Christ means to obey Him. So, Hark, did Hitler obey Christ by loving his neighbor as Himself or did He start a world war and become responsible for the murders of millions of Jesus' blood and kin people, the Jewish? Because if he followed Christ, then he was never responsible for WWII or the Holocaust. And Hark, since Jesus' and the 10 Commandments from the Jewish Scriptures forbade stealing and murder, did the Conquistadors follow Jesus, or were they just some more punks that Jesus said He didn't know? So, wow. I guess Hitler and the Conquistadors can't be used as a counter debate after all since none of them followed Jesus... Huh. But it was a great point since many make that mistake and I'm glad you brought it up, man.
harkovast at 5:00PM, Oct. 22, 2010
Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Ghandi was a hindu. Logically, the one who did bad deeds but followed Jesus (Hitler) is in heaven. The one who did not follow Jesus but did good works is in hell (ghandi) Also, when conquistadors murdered aztecs and stole their gold....all the heathen aztecs went straight to hell. The conquistadors were christian and so are all in heaven. God does not care about good and evil. God cares about worshipping Jesus. As long as you do that, everything is cool. If you don't, then God will make you burn for eternity. Christianity= harsh, but fair....well harsh anyway.
CartoonistWill at 3:04PM, Aug. 11, 2010
Thanks, man! Yeah, you're right, I should have mirrored it... Hm... Anyway, thanks, I'll be more congenial from now on. The Lord gave me an attitude adjustment lately, ha ha ha. :-)
Androoo at 8:11AM, Aug. 5, 2010
Will, might as well get one of the most controversial topics out of the way first. :) Good response to Larry there. Keep on keeping things congenial. On the art side, this page would have worked better if you did a mirror image (making the street preacher on the left so we read his lines before Gospelman's).
CartoonistWill at 3:16PM, July 27, 2010
@ Larry - Huh. I guess since everyone still talks about Gandhi today I thought he was still alive. I never knew he lived so long ago or was dead, so I'm glad to have learned something today. :-) You've piqued my interest in studying him and his life. As for Gandhi, it sounds like he was a true Hindu who believed in a pantheon of many gods, seeing all religions as equal. But many religions, including Christ's teachings, contradict the belief of many gods or ways to paradise or heaven. I certainly hoped he believed on Jesus. He was a good man, as good as any normal man with a sin nature can be, and I wish it were not so that good men went to Hell, or that anyone did at all. According to Jesus, if Gandhi or any other person relied on their own righteousness or good works, or anything else other than only on Messiah Jesus paying their sin penalty of death and hell for them, then sadly what that person trusted in would not be enough to cleanse and blot out even the tiniest of sins they had done in life. This sin must be taken away for anyone to be in the presence of a sinless God. Even on the cross when Jesus took all of the world's sin, past and present and future, upon himself in order to pay the penalty of all of humanity's sin and cleanse all people from their sins, God turned his back on Jesus, God himself incarnate, causing him to shout, "My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?" If then sin were even to be able separate God from a part of himself born as a human, Jesus, how then could Gandhi escape if he were not to have had this sin penalty paid off and the sin removed by the selfless act of one who has never sinned?
Larry at 2:03AM, July 27, 2010
Ghandi was assassinated in 1948. Nevertheless, despite his moves toward unity for pakistan/india he was still at the end of the day, and the end of his life a follower of Hinduism. BUT, he believed all religions to be equal (Even saying when asked about his Hinduism "Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew." ), which as you've lampooned in this comic is basically the same as watered down Christianity. So knowing that, that he didn't follow the words of Christ as his religion... would Ghandi have gone to hell?
CartoonistWill at 11:43PM, July 26, 2010
@ Larry - What? Gandhi is dead?!? Well, since I didn't know Gandhi personally, I can't really say as to what decision he made concerning faith in Jesus. But I do know that once he said something along the lines of, "I would become a follower of Christ if I were to ever meet one." And he is right, true followers of Christ are few and far between. Seriously, Gandhi died?
Larry at 5:55PM, July 26, 2010
I have to ask then... is Ghandi in hell?
croxtonhas at 5:00PM, July 9, 2010
Nothing wrong with the word of God!