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"Curing" Homosexuality using Hormones and Genetics.
Priest_Revan at 11:34PM, Feb. 18, 2007
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Wow, that sucks.

I always thought Homosexuality was a choice… and now they tell me that it's genetic. I'm not sure what to believe anymore.
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ozoneocean at 4:57AM, Feb. 19, 2007
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There's nothing to say or prove that it's genetic Priest_Revan , and that is a bit illogical -which is generally acknowledged. Although there could be some genetic factors. As for looking at people's hypothalamus, the size of it tells you nothing about sexual orientation or if it's a hereditary condition or not. Not unless you look at the hypothalamus of all the person's family members (along with their sexual histories), grandfathers, and so on, as well as examine the hypothalamus a large sample of straight and gay men -as long as you have a very good idea of their orientations of course.

As it is any conclusions based small sample experiments at best might indicate a possible area of further research. That's usually how they do these things.

Besides, the size of various parts of the brain vary as people age. It can depend on environment factors, diet etc. Lastly, brain formation is also influenced by what happens in the womb, so none of this can be said to point to genetic determinism. The only thing you could say is that there might very well be a biological element to it, as Mecha says.
 
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subcultured at 5:27PM, Feb. 19, 2007
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sometimes i think it's nature's failsafe device to control overpopulation like the “cell death” theory.

our cells can only replicate so much before it becomes imperfect, that's why we have aging. the cells are not replecating the perfect cell anymore. an aging population is better for the earth because the resources will be around for the newer and more genetically diversed newborn and not be given to the less genetically diversed ancient.

but anyways, i don't think we should be trying to “fix” people who are content with themselves. as long as they are not hurting themselves or anybody else. it's all about changing the perception of the world.

IMO there are more important things to research than a “cure” for homosexuality.
i would start with AIDS and cancer…

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Kristen Gudsnuk at 8:00AM, Feb. 21, 2007
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if they “cured” homosexuals, it would mean less yaoi.


let's work on curing diseases rather than sexual preferences, shall we?
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Aurora Moon at 8:09AM, Feb. 21, 2007
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intersting question.

You already brought up the adoption bit–but I'll add to that. There is already an problem with the increase in homeless and parent-less kids in the world… so if those people were removed, it may just cause a lot more problems with the future.
a lot of foster kids as well along with the homeless/parent-less kids grows up to have a lot of emotional/mental issues. They're most likely to become drug users as seeing a percentage of them often runs away from foster homes to live on the streets.
So people could expect to see a increase in homeless people, an increase in drug-related crimes in addition to youth violence/crime increasing.

The world could easily become an much more depressing, violent place to be from that alone.

Then there's this issue, which has already been highlighted by other people–
the increase in intolerance to anything different.
“Finally, we're finally rid of all those queers! Now if we could only do that with those ___(insert group name here)___!! then this world would really be more pleasant to live in! (insert group name here) gives us nothing but trouble and they were the reason why (insert disease/other problem here) exists!!”

one of the reasons why some people are so intolerant toward gays is part due to the assumption that gays were the ones who “invented” AIDS when in fact that's completely untrue. They're not even the group who has it the “most”… the highest group in the world according to statistics to be most likely to have aids is Black people.(most likely because of Africa).

Intolerant people were often raised up on misinformation that a certain group was responsible for certain misfortunes in the world, or that the majority of the group that they hate behave a certain way that is resuplve to them.

That intolerance wouldn't go away even if there was no gay people.they'd just find some other things to blame the problems of the world on…

like silly scenario:
“Those damn artists are a bane to society! they encourage people to become terrorists, to rebel against the government!! they engorge people to become promiscuous and for teenagers to have sex soon as possibile!! there has to be a way where we can use this hormones thing to get rid of artistic tendencies in our children just like we did with those filthy homosexuals!!”
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subcultured at 11:28AM, Feb. 21, 2007
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it's funny how we glorify violence (an unnatural act), yet are deathly afraid of sex (a natural act that helps to keep a specie alive)
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stardusty at 3:30PM, Feb. 21, 2007
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I'd come in here and help defend my side and point of view but I am absolutely no good at debating.
All I know is that during my high school years I tried to convince myself I was straight. I'd kiss girls and feel like screaming and so I just believed I didn't like any sort of affection at all. I was lead to believe that homosexuality was wrong and I was already weird enough so I didn't want to throw being gay on top of that.

Then eventually I started meetings guys and it just felt right. Even after my very first date everything sort of clicked and I realized I was gay and couldn't control it. I knew it my whole life but tried to suppress it because I thought no one else was like me.

One of my favorite quotes is from the tv show 30 Days. A guy asks his daughter “how do you know you're gay?” and she replies back “How do you know you're straight?”. It's exactly like that.

I'll throw up my arms and protest when we know whether or not this experiment will work on humans.
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Neilsama at 1:52AM, Feb. 22, 2007
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DUDE ! whos paying these idiot scientists to study this crap ?
Well, I don't know if I'd call them idiot scientists. I generally read these studies without a political mindset. Instead of seeing it as an anti-gay study, I just see it as another study to understand how genes work.

I'm constantly fascinated by genetics, so it's easy for me see a study like this from an alternate point-of-view. While I certainly wouldn't condone a genetic therapy of curing homosexuality, there could be lateral benefits to such a study. The study largely has to do with understanding what role genetics play with controlling hormones and, specifically, the breeding of rams.

Even so, there are other benefits to knowing what effect our genetics have on the chemical balance of our brains. Aside from giving us our sexual identity, hormones play other roles and can affect how we behave in society. Some criminologists have theorized that there's a genetic link to rape. Some men tuned to pay closer attention to the vulnerabilities of women. While this doesn't really have much to do with the study being conducted here, it's in the same ball part of understanding brain chemistry and its relation to genetics.

It's best to not immediately get bent out of shape whenever “science” and “homosexual” appear in the same sentence. We presume to understand the motives behind certain studies, whether they actually exist or not. It's easy to get swept away in politics without actually understanding the nature of the study. What many people don't realize is that there are similar studies being conducted which don't garner as much attention, because it doesn't strike a social taboo. For example, there's study in birds, where scientists have figured out how to switch on the gene that causes teeth. Now, I think it's a fairly safe assumption to make that scientists are not looking to cure birds of their toothless beaks. Rather, it's all for the sake of understanding genetics.

It's not the role of science to make moral statements, but it does bear the burden of learning, and I don't think we should shy away from uncomfortable topics.

To look at it from another perspective, let's say that there are gay people who are interested in changing their sexual orientation. If science is able to provide such a treatment, and if I respect the individuality of each person wishing to engage in such a treatment, then I would not have an objection to it. On the other hand, it would absolutely terrible if the government made curing homosexuality a priority. That is where I draw the line.

I would like to point out that contrary to some comments that have suggested that homosexuality is personal choice, I would simply like to point out that homosexuality does occur in other species. In fact, the study was being done with rams. Certainly, we're not to believe that rams are capable of making individual decisions regarding their sexual preference.
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 2:59PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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if they “cured” homosexuals, it would mean less yaoi.
…And that's a bad thing?
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Aurora Moon at 4:28PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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if they “cured” homosexuals, it would mean less yaoi.
…And that's a bad thing?

it would be for me! girls get off on seeing two hot guys kiss just as much as guys like to see two hot girls kiss.

if there was no homosexuals, then that means guys proably wouldn't have much in the ways of lesbains anymore, and no lesbain porn anymore.. which is pretty much an staple of heterosexual male porn when you think about it. ;)
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 5:15PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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Oh, really? I didn't know you guys liked gay porn as much as we like lesbian porn.
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Aurora Moon at 5:26PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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yeah. when you think about it, it's all perfectly normal. girls get off on two hot male bodies… males get off on two hot female bodies…

in heterosexual porn, one would have to focus on neither one of the sexes.

female: “yawn! they're focusing so much on that girl being fucked. I hardly see much of the male! I wanna see if he's hot or something…”

Whereas reversed it would be like:

Male: “geez..what's with all the sausage-fest? I want to see more of the women!!”

so lesbian/gay porn, both genders kinda wins out in which they wanna see more of.

makes sense to me.
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KomradeDave at 9:15PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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Oh, really? I didn't know you guys liked gay porn as much as we like lesbian porn.
From what I've heard a lot of straight women are also into gay pron because the men are actually attractive, as opposed to most hetero porn stars. Margaret Cho has a theory about this, stating that hetero men, as the primary consumers of hetero porn, would feel their sexuality threatened if they were attracted to the man in the scene, when gay men want to be attracted to the men in a scene.
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ozoneocean at 10:53PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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I knew this would get onto porn eventually…
Ok, I don't think Lesbian sex is sexy. I'm a straight man and I don't find it sexy. Must be rare these days… I've nothing against homosexual partners (of either sex), getting it on, I just find it uninteresting. Meh, I prefer my porn straight. :)

If a man would feel his heterosexuality under threat from seeing another man have sexual intercourse with a woman, I'd say he probably has some psychological issues. Not that he might be secretly gay, just that he's probably a bit sexually immature.
 
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reconjsh at 11:07PM, Feb. 22, 2007
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Well, the point of this article was about “curing rams for financial reasons” This research SHOULD be done on those grounds. However, I do see the scary connection of playing God in humans.

It's a natural road to go down though. I don't mean “curing gayness”… but rather, figuring out ways to control genetics. People will want to “cure down syndrome” or whatever else. I don't thik “gayness” or downs or anything is bad… it's as things are meant to be.

For those that are against “curing gayness”… let it be known that if you're a parent, and you wish your kid to be born with all arms and legs working properly and not to be mentally challenged, and then you're offered a way to make sure your kid isn't mentally challenged, then you're a hypocrit.

Either you support being able to control what your kid is like across the board or you don't.

As for me, that's freakin' scary to think that someone could take a pill and their son/daughter won't be the way they would have been without interference.

Professor Xavier would have been against this. He seems smart to me. I'm against it to then.
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subcultured at 5:35AM, Feb. 23, 2007
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uhh.. down syndrome is pretty bad
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Aurora Moon at 5:52AM, Feb. 23, 2007
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I wouldn't care if my children turned to be born deaf, or missing an arm…something to that effect.

but then again, I'm deaf so I have some expernice on what it's like to have hearing people see you as “abnormal” or “defective” in some way….

I can fuction just fine in society, I can work, feed myself, etc…. yet some people would think that I can't fuction fully just as well as an hearing person.

even people born without normal arms or legs can fuction well in society, have kids and all that jazz… how? well, for one thing they had this snice birth so thy learned how to do other methods of moving around, grabbing things and learned how to fend for themselves in a new way.

they only know that way they are, they know how to do things in their state, so they can normally fuction in society no matter how differently others treat them.

So if some doctor came up to me and tried to give me an pill saying: “It'll make your children just exactly like the rest of the people out there!! Just the way we were meant to be!”

I'd say: “Eh, no thanks. what if my children were meant to be deaf/whatever for a purpose? I couldn't deny them their fate in this world.”
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reconjsh at 8:20AM, Feb. 23, 2007
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uhh.. down syndrome is pretty bad

I agree, somewhat. It is pretty bad. But… no where in the world does there exist a more pure example of love. Whatever it is in “normal” humans that inhibit our capacity to care for one another is not present in downs.
They care recklessly, without regard to winning or losing, hurting someone, or embarrassing themselves. If someone needs a hug, they get it. They're the most loyal friends and family members…

I could go on and on with my experience with adults and children with Downs, but I'll spare you.

The point is, though I find myself feeling bad for them sometimes, I also find myself wondering why I can't love like that; why I can't care like that… if only I could care just 10% as much.

Ask anyone that works with people with downs and (my experience is) they'll tell you that we're the ones with the mental disability… and that there's no doubt God intended them to be that way.
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Aurora Moon at 11:42AM, Feb. 23, 2007
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I don't believe in God, at least not the same kind of God that most humans believe in. I believe in Nature and there being an certain order to it all, that everything has it own place and reason for being, though.

so my viewpoint is to “just let them be, let them have what they were born with.”
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 8:24PM, Feb. 23, 2007
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Yeah, I think I'll stick with the “use science to make sure my child's life isn't difficult” position. I mean you can't honestly say you've never wanted to hear, can you?

However, they're developing ways to make your child smarter at birth, which I would oppose for being of average intelligence isn't a life-changing disability and I hope other people will see the same way or else I may end up ruining their life because I didn't want to improve them through unnatural means.
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ozoneocean at 8:55PM, Feb. 23, 2007
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I doubt a child can be “born gay”, they have no sexual feelings until around puberty. Maybe they can have some early predisposition to one way of being or another, but it's all academic until puberty. Anyway, the only things I'd change in a child are things that might have a big impact on its quality of life… Like if I could prevent drawfisim or blindness I would. If it was unpreventable then That'd be fine, I'd give it all the support I could. And when it discovered it's sexuality I'd support it then as well; homo, hetro, both, or neither.

As for what we'd do if there were no homosexual people around, I think that's pretty irrelevant. I mean, you can bring up specific stuff like porn and camp behaviour, but that's not what most homosexual people are doing really is it? I'm pretty sure the world wouldn't be too different because gay people are just normal people, you wouldn't notice if they stopped being gay because you probably don't notice all the gay people around anyway! :)

Heh, besides, most women in lesbian porn videos aren't lesbians, they're porn actors. And some of the men in gay porn vids aren't gay. So you'd sill have your same-sex porn if there was enough of a market for it.
 
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Yeah, I think I'll stick with the “use science to make sure my child's life isn't difficult” position. I mean you can't honestly say you've never wanted to hear, can you?

actually I can.
I can hear with the aids of hearing aids, and I must say I don't like sound at all… it's amazing how much people don't realize how much different kinds of sounds can be quite irrating to the ear.

so I'm quite happy to do without hearing aids and just be deaf. hearing is overrated!!!

and I know of other deaf people who feels the same way, quite happy to be deaf… they don't see it as some kind of disablity, but rather a blessing.

they've even go as far as to WANT thier kids to be deaf just like them.
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Rich at 7:09AM, Feb. 24, 2007
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I doubt a child can be “born gay”, they have no sexual feelings until around puberty.

That seems to be a major thing everyon gets caught up in. You don't see gay little kids. Now, it does seem like it would make logical sense that a kid wouldn't be gay until the adolescence causing hormones flood the body. Possibly it could be the result of an adnormal hormone flush for some reason?

And you also need to factor in that there are probably different reasons for people to be gay as well. Sure, there probably some that are born that way. I imagine if there is a problem during development, that the mother's reproductive system could cause abnormal brain development that may cause homosexuality. Perhaps it is as simple as a genetic switch we haven't figured out yet. And certainly there are some homosexuals who choose to be that way (most don't).

Fact is, noone can say for certain what causes homosexuality. The best thing to do is not give a shit since most homosexuals are pretty cool people anyways.
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I can't believe I forgot about hearing aids. Yeah, I guess that changes it a bit.
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Kristen Gudsnuk at 9:01PM, Feb. 25, 2007
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I doubt a child can be “born gay”, they have no sexual feelings until around puberty.

well, you say that no sexuality is awakened until puberty, but some famous psychologists would argue with you… it's one of those things that's up for grabs. I remember learning about like, latent stages and stuff in high school.. (yaaagh wish I remembered some facts rather than just vagueness!)
my uncle's gay though, and my mom said that he much preferred to play with dolls and stuff when he was little…
ooh and I saw this news special about gay kids… OMG and in psychology class in high school we watched this documentary about gay kids!! It showed you the playing behaviours of kids via home videos, and then showed them nowadays and it was pretty easy to guess who turned out to be straight/gay.
^^

oh and regarding the brief gay porn discussion… erm… shall I clarify that I like shounen-ai? I wasn't talking about porn, I was talking about beautifully plotted manga and anime with really interesting and unexpected power dynamics!
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ozoneocean at 10:43PM, Feb. 25, 2007
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Heh! You have to be careful about those studies. ;)
For one, there's influence. How can you be sure that just the act of doing a study on them didn't set them towards another path? - In addition to that, maybe they just liked dolls and girly things (as some boys do), and so got railroaded into a certain way of being, the way so many gay people are railroaded into being straight because of their home/peer environment?

I'm not saying that happened, but it's a possibility those studies ignore.

Besides, I can show you videos of 50 foals that will all win first place in various horse races in 3-4 years time. As long as you can wait three to four years… And then I'll even be able to “show” you tell tail signs that “indicated” they were going to be winners. Can you see the flaws? lol!
We can do that with lottery winners, people who will be struck by lightning, and even serial killers.

And then again, being gay doesn't mean you're a girly man or a butch woman, those are really stereotypes. Gay feminine men and masculine lesbians exist, but so do feminine straight men and masculine straight women. When it comes to homosexual people I keep on saying that they're just normal people; so many gay men aren't the lest bit camp, have never been interested in dolls, interior design, or clothing patterns, the same as lesbians aren't all butch and manly. Many people will be gay that you'd never know about because they just don't want to bother with preconceived stereotypes… And it's very likely that some will even make themselves into the image of the stereotype because they perceive either consciously or subconsciously that this is what they need to do in order to belong in their peer group- just like straight people do all the time.

See how it's more complicated than what people are born to be like?
 
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oh and regarding the brief gay porn discussion… erm… shall I clarify that I like shounen-ai? I wasn't talking about porn, I was talking about beautifully plotted manga and anime with really interesting and unexpected power dynamics!

The Yaoi and Shounen ai market is almost overwhelmingly fronted by females. In fact, the lack of actual homosexuals to watch would likely increase the demand for Yaoi (especially since the majority consumer (females) wouldn't be part of the demographic that would disappear.)
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Aurora Moon at 10:32AM, Feb. 28, 2007
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well, ozoneocean…

it's easy to prefer to think of the children as having no sexual prefferences. because after all, at that age they don't even exbibit any sexuality, right?

Wrong.

There's plenty of children below 8 years old who masturbates. Usually they discover masturbating because they'd be just usually exploring their own body to get an better idea about themselves, and they discover that if they touch an certain area that it feels good, so they do it again. many of them didn't learn from watching people, or anything like that… they just do it at an time when they're learning more about themselves and also to see if thier bodies are anything like other people's.
of course, at that age they don't have any idea what they're doing could be called “sexual”, and most doesn't know what “sexual” means. But still it's an good indication that children still has an form of sexuality even when people claim that they couldn't possiblity have that kind of behavior.

also, kids below 8 can also delvop crushes and attractment to other kids and other people… it may not be in that same kind of sexual/romanatic an adult/teen's crushes/romatic feelings may be as seeing those things does need time to delvop.
but still it's an type of immature crush/feelings for other people that also may play a part in how they would devlop feelings for other people later on.

take my friend lisa for example. She's pretty boy crazy…always dating boys all the time left and right in her teenager years, and now she's married to some guy that's twice her age. and I always knew her ever snice preschool. back then she'd be only 4-5 years old but she'd feel like she liked certain boys and she'd kiss them… and if the boys didn't want ot be kissed by her, she'd chase them around to kiss them regardless of whenever they wanted to be kissed or not.
so in a way one could say that the younger years whenever they feel things or do things could have an big impact on how they would interact with others in teenager/adult years, and how it could play a part in their sexuality.
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Tundra at 12:40AM, March 4, 2007
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I doubt a child can be “born gay”, they have no sexual feelings until around puberty.

That seems to be a major thing everyon gets caught up in. You don't see gay little kids. Now, it does seem like it would make logical sense that a kid wouldn't be gay until the adolescence causing hormones flood the body. Possibly it could be the result of an adnormal hormone flush for some reason?

And you also need to factor in that there are probably different reasons for people to be gay as well. Sure, there probably some that are born that way. I imagine if there is a problem during development, that the mother's reproductive system could cause abnormal brain development that may cause homosexuality. Perhaps it is as simple as a genetic switch we haven't figured out yet. And certainly there are some homosexuals who choose to be that way (most don't).

Fact is, noone can say for certain what causes homosexuality. The best thing to do is not give a shit since most homosexuals are pretty cool people anyways.

You may not see ‘gay’ little kids, but you DO see sexual little kids. I know from memory that I was very definitely heterosexual before puberty hit. I've been having crushes on guys since I was 2 years old. So for all you know they COULD be ‘gay’ little kids. Ask some gay people when they first noticed that they might be different.
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ozoneocean at 2:15AM, March 4, 2007
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Yeah, this is getting moronic. When I was a little kid I loved my mum, my dad, my sister, my uncles, aunties, grandparents, my friends, and family friends. I had a teddy bear I really loved, I LOVED my cat, I really liked the Three Musketeers, Robin Hood, Barry Crocker, Olivia Newton John, all the actors in Play School, Big Bird, Snuflapagous, Bert and Ernie, Kermit the Frog, guys with grey beards, women with long blonde hair, Men with long hair, women with glasses, and I was curious about the “differences” between girls and boys but I didn't get a hard on from ANY of those things. Jebus, you guys are extrapolating back with the idea of sexuality way too far.

I'm not casting aspersions or accusing anybody of anything, but sexualising the ordinary (and strange) behaviour of little kids in an adult way makes the arguments of paedophiles that much stronger, which I don't think is that good an idea. I would contend that even if a child does play with its genitals, it's not because it has any sexual urges, it's simply for the feel of the stimulation of those pleasurable nerves. Ewww, anyway, that's quite enough of that.

As for behaviour where kids go running around kissing other kids and people, this is social ;)
As young kiddies we simply imitate the behaviour of adults is strange kiddy ways, especially with all we see on TV about the way men and women behave, in comics, books, etc, not to mention people in the real world around us… We don't always do that consciously, but with the way we learn and acquire knowledge we can't help but pick up the form of such behaviour even as we lack its substance.
 
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