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Animal Testing--yea or nay?
warren at 8:46AM, Aug. 16, 2007
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I lost what small shred of respect I had for PETA when I learned that PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was (duh)against animal testing, even if it could find a cure for AIDS.

However, she has diabetes. Insulin was created through animal testing. She feels she's “more important” than others due to her message.

Hypocrite.
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TnTComic at 8:50AM, Aug. 16, 2007
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Hypocrite.

You say “hypocrite”, I say “awesome lady”.









Just kidding, fuck that bitch.
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Insanity at 1:00PM, Oct. 23, 2007
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From: MNMG81C@prodigy.com (MR MATT J WALLACE)
To: eats@peta.org
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:25:47 EST


Your article about being a fruitarian made no sense .You said that
following this diet contributes to less cruelty. But you also said
that you needed dairy products to get correct nutrition which defeats
the whole purpose of being cruelty free.
Another reason it didn't
make sense is that plants can not feel pain so you are not
contributing to any cruelty if you are vegan.

p.s. this page sucks


That is from a frickin…DOCTOR!!!

Peta, you bastards.



word=Bullshit!!!

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bobhhh at 1:39PM, Oct. 23, 2007
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This is a tough question, I am diabetic, but animal cruelty really disgusts me. I suppose there is a place for animal testing, for diseases and all, but perhaps we should keep it to a minimum, and abolish it for purposes of cosmetic testing.

I can almost live with the death of an animal for finding life saving cures, but I guess I have a problem with torturing an animal for new shampoo.
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crazyninny at 2:01PM, Oct. 23, 2007
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Yay for cures, nay for cosmetics.
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Orange at 7:13PM, Oct. 23, 2007
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No to cosmetics, yeah to cures
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Insanity at 5:31PM, Oct. 24, 2007
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By the way, did you see her quote.

“Dolphin-Safe Tuna isn't good enough. We want tuna-safe-tuna.”

WHAT THE CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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horseboy at 11:19AM, Oct. 26, 2007
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Well, as the obligatory red neck I'm actually going to agree “mostly” with Aurora. The fear chemicals spoil the taste. Hell, it's why I don't fish, as local custom has it that they are to be filleted alive.

But, all knowledge is imparted through suffering. So long as their suffering brings knowledge then I'm okay with it. If it doesn't then that's where it stops.
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bobhhh at 11:29AM, Oct. 26, 2007
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But, all knowledge is imparted through suffering.

Boy there's a seperate thread!

;)
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mlai at 4:01PM, Oct. 28, 2007
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There are multiple factors to this topic.

1. Whenever there is a bureaucratic system in place for something, abuses will start happening unless there are ppl to represent the “victims.” For example, Big Oil abuse, Big Lumber abuse, etc etc.

The above are talking about abuse with direct impact on ppl, and they still get away with it. So imagine what type of bureaucratic abuses exist when the only victims are monkeys/dogs/cats/rabbits/mice. There can be faster, better, cheaper ways to test a cosmetic/chemical/medicine than animal testing, and it would still be done via animal testing because it's ingrained in the bureaucracy.

Therefore, animal rights lobbies need to exist to counter this system, so that the most blatant abuses are addressed.

2. PETA is hurting the cause. Because they're fucking nuts. By condoning crimes and indiscriminately lashing out, they undercut their own ability to counter the abovementioned bureaucracy, they waste the energy and funds AR activists funnel to them, and they smear the reputation of all AR activists.

Case in point, PETA funded $70,000 to a convicted arsonist in 1 year. Imagine what that money could have done: Investigation to uncover unknown blatant abuse, political action to correct blatant abuse, and publicity to expose blatant abuse.

PETA leadership is the enemy of the animal rights movement.

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DAJB at 4:01PM, Oct. 30, 2007
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Animal testing is pretty unfair. Most of them can't even write their own names.

Maybe we should allow it but change the tests to multiple choice.
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heymelby at 10:13AM, Oct. 31, 2007
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If it's for a medicine that could cure cancer or AIDS, then yea.

But, for cosmetics or anything else, nay. That's just cruel.

If a monkey with eyeshadow and lipstick isn't cruel, I don't know what is.

Amen to that.
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bbr at 4:57AM, Nov. 5, 2007
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Luxury goods such as perfumes, or beauty, no.

Important, wide stretching problems such as medicines or treatments for cancer or aids, yes.

Cloning programmes, and genetic modifications, not really. But depends on the effects really.
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Poke Alster at 10:51AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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whether or not it is right isnt the case, the case is we need to test products on something, now if you want to be that person go volunteer yourself
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AaronThomasNelson at 3:07PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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I'm all for animal testing ONLY if its extremely cruel, though. None of this pretend ethical stuff. If you're going to test it on an animal, you better make sure it's SO important that you're willing to make an animal suffer.

And, hell, if it's gonna cure AIDS, may as well test it on the homeless to be SURE it works.















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Poke Alster at 3:27PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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oh it kills everyone and homeless are living humans too
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AaronThomasNelson at 6:37PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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Poke Alster
homeless are living humans too

Yeah. According to who you bleeding-heart liberal?! What's your next claim? That corporations aren't citizens with voting rights?

Commie.










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mlai at 6:59PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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Yeah. According to who you bleeding-heart liberal?! What's your next claim? That corporations aren't citizens with voting rights?

Commie.
You're so hot.

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AaronThomasNelson at 8:00PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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Yeah. According to who you bleeding-heart liberal?! What's your next claim? That corporations aren't citizens with voting rights?

Commie.
You're so hot.

Yeah. I know.
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Eirikr at 10:23PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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Throwin my two cents in, I'd say that for cosmetic testing, NO WAY!

But if it's for curing a horrific disease or learning how to grow organs, wouldn't the animal be almsot proud of it? I would be if I helped cure a disease.
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Poke Alster at 12:48PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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but aaron homeless are people
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PIT_FACE at 12:55PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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warren
I lost what small shred of respect I had for PETA when I learned that PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was (duh)against animal testing, even if it could find a cure for AIDS.

However, she has diabetes. Insulin was created through animal testing. She feels she's “more important” than others due to her message.

Hypocrite.

you know, if we just ate her in the first place we wouldnt be in this mess…
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Poke Alster at 1:56PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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yes but where i come from its called “cannibalism”
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PIT_FACE at 4:30PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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yes but where i come from its called “cannibalism”

doesnt mean it's wrong, butt-face.specialy in this situation.yeesh.
besides, it's just the natural way of things, 's the way she woulda wanted it…
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AaronThomasNelson at 7:44PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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but aaron homeless are people

Listen you left-wing, Marxist quoting, nutjob. If they're “homeless” they can't be “people” too!! I mean, is a “banana” an “orange”? Is a “dog” a “cat”? NO! It violates one of the most fundamental principles of EXISTENCE: a thing cannot both be and not be in the same respect and time.

If they're “homeless” then they're just that – “HOMELESS”. So stop trying to “protect” them and strap ‘em up for chemical testing. That way “people” will be protected (from them).

Sheesh!

Aaron








sometimes I crack myself up. plus, how many times do you get to use Aristotle’s principle of contradiction on a forum? almost never…
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PIT_FACE at 8:13PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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a message sent to me from Bobhhh, i guess he didnt have the gol to post this on the regular forum:

bobhhh
butt face??

is that called for? perhaps you think you are being funny, but it's really just annoying and makes you look petty at best.

sorry you're so delicate,buttercup, was i talking to you? and yeah, i was joking around. you have absolutly no reason to have sent me that message. if alster was offended by what i said, he could of said so himself and i would have reached an understanding with him. as for you, i'm going to post this as a reply to the post so people can see what a “petty” swabbler you are. think of this next time you stick your nose where it doesnt belong. next time keep your talk-show superiority crap to yourself.

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Poke Alster at 12:54PM, Nov. 12, 2007
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Aaron
Listen you left-wing, Marxist quoting, nutjob. If they're “homeless” they can't be “people” too!! I mean, is a “banana” an “orange”? Is a “dog” a “cat”? NO! It violates one of the most fundamental principles of EXISTENCE: a thing cannot both be and not be in the same respect and time.

If they're “homeless” then they're just that – “HOMELESS”. So stop trying to “protect” them and strap ‘em up for chemical testing. That way “people” will be protected (from them).

Sheesh!

Aaron




sometimes I crack myself up. plus, how many times do you get to use Aristotle’s principle of contradiction on a forum? almost never…

but mate, bananas and oranges are fruits, classed in the same group, dogs and cats are pets, also classed in the same group, so homeless and Aaron are also classed in the same group with humans see?
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AaronThomasNelson at 2:44PM, Nov. 12, 2007
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Aaron
Listen you left-wing, Marxist quoting, nutjob. If they're “homeless” they can't be “people” too!! I mean, is a “banana” an “orange”? Is a “dog” a “cat”? NO! It violates one of the most fundamental principles of EXISTENCE: a thing cannot both be and not be in the same respect and time.

If they're “homeless” then they're just that – “HOMELESS”. So stop trying to “protect” them and strap ‘em up for chemical testing. That way “people” will be protected (from them).

Sheesh!

Aaron




sometimes I crack myself up. plus, how many times do you get to use Aristotle’s principle of contradiction on a forum? almost never…

but mate, bananas and oranges are fruits, classed in the same group, dogs and cats are pets, also classed in the same group, so homeless and Aaron are also classed in the same group with humans see?

Are you actually taking my argument seriously?
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Poke Alster at 3:19PM, Nov. 12, 2007
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ye why not :)
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Mister Mxyzptlk at 5:51PM, Nov. 12, 2007
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If a monkey with eyeshadow and lipstick isn't cruel, I don't know what is.

A monkey with lipstick and eyeshadow is funny.

Tammy Faye Baker with eyeshadow and lipstick is REALY cruel.

Or have I just dated myself…
My soul was removed to make room for all this sarcasm.
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