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Sidwarrious at 7:10AM, Jan. 11, 2008
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Let's not be getting into a whole dub v sub debate. This could rage forever and neither of us would ever change our stances on that since I consider most people who prefer subs to be bandwagon hoppers who can't honestly tell the difference but prefer subs because most hardcore fans do and I base this off experience because almost every person I know who likes subs is like that with the exception of two people and even they see the merit in most dubs.

And IMO- “seeing as how I don't really have any sexual desire towards drawn women, anime or non, the fanservice completely rolled off me.”

And what I said regarding everyone else-“Plus if you're turned on by a naked chick covered in blood and killing people and hearing those nice little ”squelch“ noises then maybe the fact that there IS nudity in Elfen Lied is the least of your worries. Even half mast is a little much guys.”

See? One is clearly telling you my personal stance. Wouldn't be any different if I had said I don't like skinny girls and the second is my stance on this particular medium which is like me telling you that you shouldn't like skinny girls either.

Hopefully that puts everything to rest and this thread can turn back into what it originally was since we are SO off topic now.
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mlai at 8:40AM, Jan. 11, 2008
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You won't let it rest?

1. What purpose was there to voice your personal opinion for erotic art, other than to show contempt?
2. And if there was no contempt in statement #1, why is the follow-up statement #2 filled with condescension?

And seriously, WTF was your paragraph of dub vs sub about? You just basically said all sub-lovers are ignorant idiots.

If you want to put something to rest, you need to choose your words and tones more carefully.

Edit: Well this is my final post on this subject(s). I started off with something constructive to say, but now it's just a 1 vs 1 and definitely not worth the effort from either of us.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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Sidwarrious at 9:33AM, Jan. 11, 2008
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No, I've met exceptions. But most seem to hate dubs for no real reason and when you actually ask them stuff it's more of a “subs just better” kinda thing. Like at Akon there was a thing for “How to start an anime club” and I went, being curious, and the person just dubbed bashed for half an hour. He kept talking about how if you want to see a dub of something watch cartoon network even though he suggested finding off the wall titles and rarer sort of anime to show at the club and then talked about showing subs in front of everyone like it's a movie theatre but when someone asked him wouldn't that be difficult for everyone if you didn't have a projector or big screen tv and he just kinda shrugged it off.

And as for your comments regarding the two parts of my statement-how could you think I was being so serious in it? I figured it was obvious it was a joking manner hence the whole “least of your worries” and “half mast”. I'd be insane if I talked about being at half mast whilst completely being series!

And for the last time I said NOTHING about erotic art. I said my views on the matter and you tried to tell me that what my dick responds to is wrong! Because I don't get a stiffy at something you got offended by it. Which is weird. I know there's fashion police, but, c'mon mlai, dick police? The Boner Squad? That sounds even worse then Osmosis Jones.
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JustNoPoint at 11:38AM, Jan. 11, 2008
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I haven't watched much anime. But from experience I would rather grab the sub 1st.

Examples Ranma1/2 great voice acting. Didn't care much for the new guy actor that replaced male Ranma, but it was still good enough to not deal with subtitles.

Samurai Champloo, prefer dubbed as well. I don't want to read subtitles but the next animes “gave me no choice” and made me go for sub 1st. I'll check the dub too, but sometimes it can be scary.

DBZ: really bad voice actors, they get better but it's too late, plus they change the story + cowboy android voice *shrugs

Azumanga Daioh: Osaka isn't funny with a country accent and they change the english teacher to a “language” teacher.

That's about all I can think of that I have seen both versions of. I tend to get subtitle stuff if I can though. From what I read about how much most stuff is changed and how cheap dubbing generally is it is much safer and as enjoyable.
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Sidwarrious at 1:54PM, Jan. 11, 2008
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Series to watch dubbed:

Gantz-The Ayres boys are just GOOD in this.

Gungrave-Kirk Thortan just sounded perfect in Brandon's role. Plus with the more western mafioso feel of the story it felt more western and less Yukaza to me.

Cowboy Bebop-I far prefer Stephen Jay Blum's voice to the jap actor. No reason for reals.

Naruto-None of the voices are SUPBERB, but Sasuke's and Lee's jap voices are just so terrible. So ungodly deep. Sasuke's not manly enough to support the testosterone his balls have got to be pumping.

There are more, but these are ones that to me are far and above WAY better. As for subbed:

GetBackers-Jes bad acting in English

Excel Saga-The voice….Jessica…No…
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mlai at 2:14PM, Jan. 11, 2008
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Cowboy Bebop is definitely better in English. And the English VA fits Spike much better, yes. In fact all the English VA are better.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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Sidwarrious at 2:51PM, Jan. 11, 2008
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I'm not actually sure how serious you were there. I'm just a Stephen Jay Blum fanboy so my preference is skewered. Oh another anime better subbed-Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi.

I'm trying to only use stuff I have in my actual collection.

Oh and pretty much all movies are better subbed but funnier dubbed. Devilman is so badly dubbed it's hilarious. Same with 3x3 eyes. Oh and Mazinger. So greatly terrible. I love bad dubs more then I love good ones sometimes because that's when it's most fun to watch anime, especially with a group of friends.

Even Bosch's performance in the newest redub of Akira was off. But then again Johnny Young Bosch to me ALWAYS sounds too nice.
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Puff_Of_Smoke at 8:03PM, Jan. 12, 2008
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Full Metal Alchemist. I suggest it.
glenfx
(And the girl is what, 12-15 years old?)
Sorry to quote this, but she's actually 18 or 19.
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I have a gun. It's really powerful. Especially against living things.
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Frostflowers at 7:18AM, Jan. 13, 2008
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If you're looking for something very sweet with a very different visual style, I recommend Windy Tales (Fujin Monotagari). It doesn't have a very big continual plot - aside from “young people grow up”, but it's sweet and there are some thought-provoking episodes and a very interesting art style. It's short, too - only 13 episodes.
The Continued Misadventures of Bonebird - a poor bird's quest for the ever-elusive and delicious apples.
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supermathsbeaver at 2:47PM, Jan. 13, 2008
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I love the Devilman dub! It's so unintentionally funny! ‘Amon’s eating shit in hell right now!' Priceless. Though it's better in japanese even if the subtitles are sometimes worded strangely. There are a couple of anime coming out soon (or if you live in America they are probably out already) which don't look that bad. They are Pumpkin Scissors and Le Chavalier D'Eon (I think it's spelt like that). Haven't seen more than a few episodes but the animation, especially in the latter is lovely, the dubbing isn't wince inducing like some others and the storylines are fairly interesting. No porn as of yet. Which I guess is a good sign….

Anyone else love the recent Vampire D movie?
GREEN BURGERS KILL PEOPLE!!!!!
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deepcheese at 4:21PM, March 24, 2008
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A definate second to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni! That is one of the only anime that has ever really scared me. Don't let the semi-chibi art style fool you! This show is really bloody.There isn't really any nudity (definately nothing at the level of Elfen Lied). It's not as bloody as Elfen Lied, either, and the gorier stuff is more implied, but it makes you feel the full impact of each punch by leading up to it over a few episodes, rather then have it splurt in your face in the first episode.
Watch this to get a feel for what you're in for-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeeJxefijoY
These girls are truely insane.

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If you're looking for a more philisophical show, then I recomend Kino's Journey. It's really short, only 13 episodes, but it is really good. It helps you understand that it is the worlds uglieness and shortcomings that make it beautiful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xClw8RJI79c

Another good one is Haibane Renmei. I *think* it was made by the same people who made SE Lain, but I'm not really sure. It makes a lot more sense then Lain does, that's for sure.
Here's the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n0hQ3igZtI&feature=related


Um, that's all that I can think of right now.

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jalford at 3:40AM, May 4, 2008
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Most of the Saturday morning dubs are a ripe slice of hell.
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ccs1989 at 9:30AM, May 4, 2008
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Read the Berserk manga. Don't go anywhere near the anime.

Other than that…The Animatrix?
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jalford at 1:37PM, May 4, 2008
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Check out Code Geass sometime too, now playing on Adult Swim.
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AQua_ng at 1:52PM, May 4, 2008
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Check out Code Geass sometime too, now playing on Adult Swim.

Actually, if you want to watch Code Geass properly, don't bother with the english dubbing.

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ccs1989 at 3:19PM, May 4, 2008
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Code Geass sorta looks like a good series but the characters look ridiculous!
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jalford at 1:52AM, May 5, 2008
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The characters were designed by CLAMP, who created Cardcaptor Sakura and Chobits. It's one of the first anime titles they did designs for that wasn't their own creation.
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AQua_ng at 2:26AM, May 5, 2008
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Code Geass sorta looks like a good series but the characters look ridiculous!

Really?



I haven't really noticed.

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jalford at 4:56AM, May 5, 2008
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They were obviously redesigned a little for the anime. Even when Rumiko Takahashi did the designs for Moeyo Ken, they still made them look a little different from the original concepts.
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isukun at 11:06AM, May 5, 2008
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They were obviously redesigned a little for the anime.

Everything changes a little when it goes to animation. It's not like the character designer is actually animating the show in most cases, plus things need to be simplified. It's a heck of a lot easier to draw out a complex character in black and white frames for a comic than it is to animate the same character in full color. It was still close enough that I could tell when watching the first episode that the designs had a bit of a Clamp feel to them. Plus Clamp is a group of artists who have seen members come and go over the years. Their style has changed some from project to project and a lot of their more recent stuff seems to lean more towards the style more common in the animated adaptations of their work.

Same with Moeyo Ken. I figured either they were using the same studio or Rumiko Takahashi worked on the (really generic) character designs. God that series sucked.
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jalford at 5:31AM, May 6, 2008
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About the only CLAMP-based anime that had slightly different designs was the Rayearth OVA series.
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Razer36 at 2:05AM, May 7, 2008
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Black Ca and helsing. Even though they are way better as manga
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jalford at 1:08AM, May 12, 2008
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Check out Galaxy Angel. It's one of the actually funny cute girls series.
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DarkChibiShadow at 10:11AM, May 18, 2008
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Mushi-shi, it's a beautiful anime with hardly any story line.


But yet, it grips you.

Enjoy it.

(Can't believe I kept forgeting to put that nom. up…)

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jalford at 4:15PM, May 28, 2008
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Also check out Genshiken. It's a funny look at the world of anime fans in Japan.
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