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Ban the "N-word"
subcultured at 9:18AM, March 10, 2007
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what do you guys think of new york banning the “n-word”?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6406625.stm

i think it goes against the 1st ammendmnet under “freedom of speech”.

i hate the n-word myself, but this banning is gonna start a chain reaction where words become banned. it's a few steps away from a totalitarian government where they tell you what to say and can't say
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ccs1989 at 10:00AM, March 10, 2007
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Not many white people actually USE the N-word, unless they're really racist. And there'd sure be some bad racial conflict if police start arresting young black people for using the word.
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nighthawk41 at 10:03AM, March 10, 2007
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I agree, it's fucking retarted. I understand that blacks are offended by that word (I wouldn't know what thoughts go through their head when someone says it though since I'm not black) but banning the word would be fucking retarted.
Let's ban the phrase “N*gger guy” instead. (anyone see the reference?)
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subcultured at 3:07PM, March 10, 2007
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if a set of people are really racist, they'll just find other words to humiliate them with. Such as the “c-word”
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nighthawk41 at 3:33PM, March 10, 2007
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Eh. I use cunt to specify a pussy or a whore.
Anyway, we will keep looking for words, and they will keep banning them one by one until it is nearly impossible to walk the streets without facing a lawsuit.
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KomradeDave at 3:39PM, March 10, 2007
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Not many white people actually USE the N-word, unless they're really racist. And there'd sure be some bad racial conflict if police start arresting young black people for using the word.
Even many (but for sure not all) really racist white men are opting for more politically correct terms because they want to attract people to their side, and can do so more easily when they claim to be, “pro-white, not anti-anything” as David Duke said.
It's been my experience that a lot of white people using racial slurs are using them ignorantly, but not with intent to harm. You want some real fun with this, watch an unconfident white guy sing gangsta rap around a black guy. They both get the most precious looks on their faces whenever the word comes up.
It's a sad day when we have to legislate speech because people are stupid.
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nighthawk41 at 3:47PM, March 10, 2007
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The New York City resolution was sponsored by Councilman Leroy Comrie, who says the “N-word” was derived solely out of hate and anger and that its meaning cannot be changed.

Really? What about black people calling eachother “n*gga” just refering to another person. When black people say it it simply means “person.” Meaning-cannot-be-changed my ass.
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Priest_Revan at 4:18PM, March 10, 2007
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Silly.

African Americans should be able to say it whether or not it is right. But, hell, this ban isn't going to work anyways.
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ozoneocean at 6:16PM, March 10, 2007
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No, it shouldn't be banned specifically, because offensive usage of it is already pretty well proscribed. And that's all that really matters.

Besides, no word deserves to be elevated to such an extent that it should be singled out and banned from use by anyone. That'd make it even more revered as a racialist term by “pro white” people.

But if you really did want to ban a term, ban “pro white”.
 
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Priest_Revan at 6:41PM, March 10, 2007
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No, it shouldn't be banned specifically, because offensive usage of it is already pretty well proscribed. And that's all that really matters.

Besides, no word deserves to be elevated to such an extent that it should be singled out and banned from use by anyone. That'd make it even more revered as a racialist term by “pro white” people.

But if you really did want to ban a term, ban “pro white”.

That's like trying to ban “pro asian” or “pro hispanic”.

But yes, we should try and remove many phrases that put other races down.
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 6:56PM, March 10, 2007
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Technically whites are a majority. In American. In the world it's Asians. And as a majority we have to be really nervous about other races and offending them and do stupid things like ban the Illini mascot, though no Native Americans actually care.

Cracka', please.
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Priest_Revan at 9:52PM, March 10, 2007
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Technically whites are a majority. In American. In the world it's Asians. And as a majority we have to be really nervous about other races and offending them and do stupid things like ban the Illini mascot, though no Native Americans actually care.

Cracka', please.

1. Minorities in America are starting to catch up quickly to the amount of white people here.
2. Whites need to stop worrying about being racist all the time while minorities need to stop worrying about what white people do. I read (not too long ago) about a girl creating a “Caucasians (sp?) club of America” at her school and all these people started getting mad at her (the club was created so the white kids at her school could be proud of their European ancestory). It's silly. Black kids and Hispanics can have racial clubs, but whites can't.

Of course, why do I care? I can be part of all 3 of these clubs. :)
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 9:52AM, March 11, 2007
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Exactly, no if only we could use this to get the chief back.
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Phantom Penguin at 11:39AM, March 11, 2007
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i will only be behind the banning of n*igger if they also ban the word Moose. Moose offends me beyond words, and must be stopped.


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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 12:48PM, March 11, 2007
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Moose, please.

How come slurs against whites are allowed?
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KomradeDave at 1:28PM, March 11, 2007
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Because crackers go well with jam.

The argument used is that those slurs were never used in conjunction with the subjugation of the race. There was an SNL sketch about it with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor got into an argument and started trading insults. Pryor uses “Honkey,” which is retaliated with “Nigger.” While I agree that using a slur against anyone's race is bad, Honkey is not loaded, the word is essentially powerless. Nigger has a history behind it that is brought back every time the word is used against someone. It is a word that was historically used with contempt.
I still don't think any word should be outlawed, however. The people that would use them with the harmful intent the law is set up for would continue to use them and would become prison martyrs when they were punished for it. It's like the swastika in Germany, which has been outlawed (for all but scholarly purposes) but is still used by the youth nazis there (who are prosocuted for it). When they become punished for it they become heroes to their cause.
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nighthawk41 at 1:33PM, March 11, 2007
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Moose, please.

How come slurs against whites are allowed?
Exactly. If we're going to ban nigger, we might as well also ban cracker, chink, beaner… Hell, we would have to ban calling people other than Jackie Chan, Jackie Chan.
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rengori at 2:04PM, March 11, 2007
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Political correctness pisses me off.

Oh, and Nighthawk, you forgot to include N*gger Guy.
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 4:47PM, March 11, 2007
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Nigger has a history behind it that is brought back every time the word is used against someone.
The history behind nigger is some dumb Southerners mispronounced the Latin word for black.

The irony is Blacks themselves are the ones who deemed it derogatory.
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reconjsh at 9:36AM, March 12, 2007
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The resolution to ban the so-called “N-word” is largely symbolic as it carries no weight in law and those who use the word would face no punishment.

But it reflects a growing unease that the racial slur is now part of everyday conversation and that the taboo against its usage has been swept away.

You guys actually read the article, right?

While I agree that banning a word is ridiculous and illegal, I am still sympathetic to its impact on people. The word was the harshest insult (and still is) when it was used in the context with the subjugation of an entire race of people. Back then, it was much, much more than a word… and today, to the people who still feel slavery and oppression's breath on their necks, it's as foul as it ever was.

Consider that it was only in 1965 that blacks were actually really allowed to vote nationally. That's not some distant, unimaginable past… that's during most of our parents' lifetimes. During our grandparents' generation, blacks were less than equal. And to many, less than human. And you know just as I do the atrocities that occured aren't limited to voting during their lifetime… so much hate was just 2-3 generations away from us… and sometimes still exists during our lifetimes.

So while banning the word seems upsurd, the symbolism the ban carries is profound. It's saying that we as a society will not turn a deaf ear to the power weilders of that word once had just a few short decades ago… and we will not ignore the hate it still implies.


So, to answer the question: banning it IS a violation of the 1st ammendment, I think. But that doesn't mean the relevance of such a ban is lost on me.
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reconjsh at 9:54AM, March 12, 2007
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http://www.oycf.org/perspectives/11_043001/freedom.htm

On a side note, that link is to a pretty fantastic article on “Freedom of Speech”. A worth-while read it is.
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 3:08PM, March 12, 2007
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The word was the harshest insult (and still is) when it was used in the context with the subjugation of an entire race of people. Back then, it was much, much more than a word… and today, to the people who still feel slavery and oppression's breath on their necks, it's as foul as it ever was.
Okay, seriously, people need to understand that it was used back then as a word for black. It's basically like hating the word Mexican. Black people themselves decided the word was derogatory because slave drivers used it.
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reconjsh at 5:26PM, March 12, 2007
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The word was the harshest insult (and still is) when it was used in the context with the subjugation of an entire race of people. Back then, it was much, much more than a word… and today, to the people who still feel slavery and oppression's breath on their necks, it's as foul as it ever was.
Okay, seriously, people need to understand that it was used back then as a word for black. It's basically like hating the word Mexican. Black people themselves decided the word was derogatory because slave drivers used it.

“Back then?” What back then are you referring to? Because if you actually read my post, you'd know that I was talking about “back then” starting 40 years ago and before. You are absolutely wrong about this. The “n word” was used as a negative word for almost as long as America has had its freedom - 200+ years.

From African American Registry: “No matter what its origins, by the early 1800s it (nigger) was firmly established as a degenerative nickname.”

From Wikipedia: “In the 1800s, as nigger began to acquire the pejorative connotation it holds today…”

Feel free to Google it yourself.


Your post is pretty offensive. Who cares why it started being a bad word… the fact is that it's been a bad one for 2 centuries or more.

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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 6:07PM, March 12, 2007
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Oh yeah, I'm sorry for offending the people. Oh, wait, I'd bet money they don't care. All you're doing is proving my point that you people are to worried about that crap, and before that post I Wiki'd it. In fact, I think I'll quote what you missed.
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The Spanish word negro originates from the Latin word niger, meaning black. In English, negro or neger became negar and finally nigger, most likely under influence of French nègre (also derived from the Latin niger).

In Colonial America, Neger (sometimes spelled “neggar”) prevailed in northern New York under the Dutch and also in Philadelphia, in its Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities. For example, the African Burial Ground in New York City was originally known as “Begraaf Plaats van de Neger.”

In the United States, the word nigger was not always considered derogatory, but was instead used by some as merely denotative of black, as it was in other parts of the English-speaking world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word nigger with no intended negative connotation. Charles Dickens, and Joseph Conrad (who published The Nigger of the ‘Narcissus’ in 1897) used the word without racist intent. Mark Twain often put the word into the mouths of his Southern characters, white and black, but did not use the word when speaking in his own voice in his autobiographical Life on the Mississippi.
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subcultured at 6:52PM, March 12, 2007
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please don't start flaming each other
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 7:04PM, March 12, 2007
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Sorry.
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reconjsh at 7:39PM, March 12, 2007
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Atom, I accept your apology. I'm glad you owned your misjudgment.

And um, I didn't miss anything:

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From Wikipedia: "In the 1800s, as nigger began to acquire the pejorative connotation it holds today…"

What you quoted does not negate this. The rest of what's in wikipedia does not negate this either. Notice how it says began? So sure, 2 cited authors DIDN'T use the word negatively, but certainly some people DID use the word negatively as the text also implies. And that's what I've always stated.

Hell, I've used the word “nigger” a few times NOT in a hateful way in this thread. Does that mean that because I didn't use it hatefully no one has/does? This is the fallacy of logic that IS your arguement.

But I still don't see your point? Is it that it's only been 100 years as a hateful word instead of 200? Fine, let's go with that. Is it now okay to use under its new age?

It's a hateful word for a people that have been oppressed up until very recent years. We shouldn't forget that. No, we shouldn't ban that word… or any word for that matter, but just as I've stated, the relevance of a symbolic ban on a word is not lost on me.

Is it lost on you?
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 5:46AM, March 13, 2007
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No, it's not.
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Radmetalmonk at 6:16AM, March 13, 2007
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Yeah…no government is going to tell me what I can and cannot say. I know the “N-word” (I'll censor it I suppose) can be offensive, but I use it a lot as just a general insult for anybody (which is extemly stupid). Point is, I don't really take it seriously. It's only with people I know who can take a joke, regardless of their skin. They know I'm just fucking around. I don't go up to some black guy and insult him (even though if someone called me a honky I wouldn't give a shit…I'm not white, I'm swedish :P jokes all around…don't worry if you don't get it).

So I'm against banning it. I don't see a problem with any word, as long as it's in good taste. Besides, how do you ban a word?

*calls up cops*
Someone just said…the N-word *gasps* Actually, I don't see how it's really that insulting now that I think of it. Oh well, I guess I wouldn't really understand unless I was on the same situation. It's just a word. Ah well, it's really only a problem in the USA I would imagine. I swear, people are so weak minded.
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