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Can everyone be eccentric?
Loud_G at 6:54AM, Sept. 4, 2007
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The more people I meet, the more I become sure that Everyone is wierd in some way. I have not met a normal person. Ever. Even the totally boring people are strange in some way.

Just like I think that EVERYONE has some degree of mental illness (yes myself included). Mental illness however is a tough subject because it is so subjective. They are coming up with new ones everyday. Some are geniune problems, but others seem to just be personality quirks.

So I say EVERYONE is wierd. No one is the same person. There is no normal. :)
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TnTComic at 7:36AM, Sept. 4, 2007
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Couldn't disagree more. There's a shitload of normal people out there.
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Loud_G at 7:39AM, Sept. 4, 2007
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Like I said. I've never met one. :D
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ifelldownthestairs at 3:21PM, Oct. 24, 2007
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this thread is really funny… mostly because everyone's so clearly impressed with themselves, hahaha.

and yes, i know that by posting here i am basically admitting that i am no better.

does anyone else read sentences ending like “hahaha.” and hear them in their head like in an incredibly dead voice? i do.

anyway it's a silly question; anybody who thinks of themselves as commonplace must be utterly unhappy. heh.. their comics would be like “i'm still so… so ORDINARY” and nothing happens. damn… i wanna make a gothic parody comic.

thanks thread!
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Tantz Aerine at 3:37AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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I have yet to discover a person that did not have a publishable, movie-worthy story in their lives- or several. :)

Is that eccentricity? I have eccentric characters, but I doubt those I would label eccentric would be considered as such by others.

That goes for myself and everyone else, as well.
 
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DAJB at 6:09AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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This question reminds me of the crowd scene from Monty Python's The Life of Brian.

Brian (to crowd): You're all of you different!

Man at the back: I'm not!
You could found a whole philosophy on the idea of there being only one non-different person!
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CharleyHorse at 6:50AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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There's a bit of a generation gap on display in this eccentricity discussion, and I don't mean that in a bad way.

I'm fairly certain that I am a good deal older than most of you , and I can tell you that in most communities inside the United States during my childhood being an eccentric was not a good thing outside of a television sitcom. Average communities had little tolerance for individuals unable to conceal non regulation thoughts, dress habits, and activities. It could be downright dangerous to be anything other than an average person in most respects. So for most people, the cherished goal was to be as dead normal in all respects as possible. Oh yes, the farther south in the nation one lived the more important for your health and prospects of maintaining a livelihood it was to be a very successful chameleon.

Times change, eh?

Then the middle and late 1960's body slammed this nation and the definition of normal expanded significantly. It was now grudgingly okay to be different just as long as you and your fellow oddwads belonged to a large enough community of the acceptably different. It still wasn't wise, however, to be an eccentric sans group membership among fellow eccentrics all pretty much having the same tastes in attitude, clothing style, and philosophy.

Then time ground on and very gradually; indeed, so softly did change occur in society that I didn't even notice it, by inches, it became almost safe to be truly different from an established group norm. For instance until reading this thread I did not even realize that it was now cool to be eccentric.

An eccentric is pretty much anyone unable or unwilling to fit into one of many categories of generally normal behavior or adhere to group cultural membership standards in the privacy of their own crash pad, because the long term effects of doing so would drive the poor fellow insane. An eccentric who's got the social disease in a truly bad way, in its most virulent form cannot even pass as acceptably mundane in public, not even in a group that's generally noted for boasting of standards relatively far outside the greater social norms.

All this means that if you are compelled to go fishing with sticks of dynamite in the middle of a hurricane, but only when there are drought conditions in Texas and you can find a ball-cap that looks good while worn inside-out, you are definitely an eccentric . . . unless you are a member in good standing in a community that finds such behavior, activities, thought and dress patterns perfectly normal.

So eccentricity is a membership issue. If your community - and it can be a tiny community indeed just as long as it is acceptable to the greater communities surrounding it, is filled with weird people who love cartooning, chatting on the Internet, getting into deep philosophical discussions about nothing that's particularly relevant to the world at large, then as a member, you cannot consider yourself eccentric.

Now transport yourself unchanged across the planet to a place where dress standards, allowable thought patterns, public and private habits are considerably different and a bit more strictly monitored and encouraged by your fellow citizens and you will probably qualify as the poster child for eccentricity.

Even fifteen or twenty years ago, most of the people posting in this forum would definitely have qualified as a bit weird according to the generally accepted habits and cultural and social niceties in burg-average anywhere in the western world.

I definitely consider myself an eccentric, but primarily because I spent a great deal of my life struggling to fit into the normal standards of my community, to not reveal that I was a bit of a philosopher, that I considered science fiction and much of fantasy writing an important element in the scheme of literature, that I secretly cartooned on an amateur basis, or even that I was something of an athlete and was deeply into the martial arts. But then again I lived at the time, and still do live, in the deep deep southern region of this nation of ours, and sometimes here eccentrics can still be considered fair game and good eatin', if properly skinned and seasoned. But then again, it could just be an age thing in my case.



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StaceyMontgomery at 6:52AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Thank you, that's a lovely perspective.
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okamimako at 7:33PM, Oct. 25, 2007
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I've got a weird perspective (I think). I think all those conformist people are eccentric for following their conformist ways, cause I keep thinking “Who would want to do that?” I see normalcy as people who try to get their own happiness. It fits in with my view of what humans want to do. But then there's this whole conformist thingie, and it's like people are risking their happiness of being themselves by conforming.

On the flip side, I might myself be considered eccentric (or a little strange at the moment, since I don't believe I quite have the age and wisdom to be considered eccentric) as I do things as I want (or to the extent that I won't get in trouble). I hardly do anything to purposely stand out; but I do start dancing and sometimes singing at utterly random moments that make people give me weird looks. I also challenge people to think on a constant basis when I can.
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bbr at 5:04AM, Nov. 5, 2007
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its good to be crazy, normal people are boring.
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n_y_japlander at 7:13AM, Nov. 5, 2007
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I was told that the ammount mean grean that a non-normal person had would be the scale to call them eccentric or not, if that person was not in the “normal” mind set….
I'm not rich nor poor, so I'm just crazy!!!!!



just don't let that get around!!

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ShadowDion at 2:31PM, Nov. 6, 2007
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“you're unique.
just like everyone else.”
it's people's ego's that tell them they are special, unique and different because they desire value. what is something worth if it isn't different? if something is rare it becomes valuable, as is the same with people. people want to believe that they are rare gems in the sea of conformity but really…they are.
i hate to break it to all of you, but probably none of you are eccentric. that word has been erroded down to a shell of what it once implied. people don't want to admit just how normal their thoughts are and in reality they are that different.
i will say that there are varying degrees of thought that deviate from the standard. some think slightly out of the box and some think the box is talking to them. to be eccentric means to walk the line of mental illness, to not even comprehend the unspoken social norms and signals.
dressing differently and feeling alone are in fact very, very common to all people. of course, it's a lot easier to think that no one understands you, because as terrible as you may feel, there is some solace in being misunderstood.

i think Midge really hit it on the nail:

In matters taste there is much dispute…
Its all subjective.
I don't think people try to be eccentric.
I think people deep down want to be wanted, want to be acknowledged,…etc
It's existential angst.

Why am I here?
What does it all mean?
What is the worth of my life?


These questions deeply drive everyone in some portion.
And they cry out audibly or other ways to find what I call “home”.

The people who as someone said earlier that are truely eccentric don't know they are.
They don't strive to be eccentric they live in their own world…and surprising they seem content.

The rest of us are just trying to fit in or find a home.





most people live in this world,
eccentric people live in their own.
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bbr at 7:19AM, Nov. 7, 2007
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most people live in this world,
eccentric people live in their own.

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
- George Bernard Shaw
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Poke Alster at 10:33AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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I think some people are eccentric but i dont think everyone is
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bobhhh at 12:25AM, Nov. 10, 2007
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I think some people are eccentric but i dont think everyone is

I agree. Eccentricity is often overused as an adjective. Some folks are just plain folks. I think I would characterize my self that way too unfortunately. I wish I were boldy different, but alas I am not. Different, yes; I am after all an individual. And although in my heart I feel as if I am odd and unique, being an individual does not make you eccentric.

I eat my cornflakes pretty much the same as most people do. Fact is if everyone was eccentric, then the word would lose all meaning.
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ozoneocean at 1:26AM, Nov. 10, 2007
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HA! I'll reiterate something I posted earlier in response to some of the naysayers here: The sort of people who post on a site that has to do mainly with the creation of their own comics aren't really a good cross-section of the community in general ;)

Yeah… you are mostly very creative people, not the sort generally as well accepted or socialised into the meat-grinder of normal every day society… So while the idea behind a concept like “eccentricity” is that it's something different from a greater “normal” average, and that means logically that everyone can not be “eccentric” (since then the word ceases to have a meaning), that doesn't mean that there can't be a greater sample of it in evidence here. :)
 
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bobhhh at 10:17AM, Nov. 10, 2007
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HA! I'll reiterate something I posted earlier in response to some of the naysayers here: The sort of people who post on a site that has to do mainly with the creation of their own comics aren't really a good cross-section of the community in general ;)

Yeah… you are mostly very creative people, not the sort generally as well accepted or socialised into the meat-grinder of normal every day society… So while the idea behind a concept like “eccentricity” is that it's something different from a greater “normal” average, and that means logically that everyone can not be “eccentric” (since then the word ceases to have a meaning), that doesn't mean that there can't be a greater sample of it in evidence here. :)

Good points, but not neccessarily at odds with my post. You are right, there probably are way more eccentrics here, but I just don't think EVERYONE can be eccentric. :)
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ozoneocean at 10:26AM, Nov. 10, 2007
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Good points, but not neccessarily at odds with my post. You are right, there probably are way more eccentrics here, but I just don't think EVERYONE can be eccentric. :)
:P I did definitely address that last point bo3xh ;)
 
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bobhhh at 2:03PM, Nov. 10, 2007
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Good points, but not neccessarily at odds with my post. You are right, there probably are way more eccentrics here, but I just don't think EVERYONE can be eccentric. :)
:P I did definitely address that last point bo3xh ;)
So you did! :whistling:
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PIT_FACE at 11:17AM, Nov. 11, 2007
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to the first post:
yeah, i noticed that too. and it's not such a bad thing till they expect ya to be impressed by it. specialy when it's not all that odd in the first place. i usualy just chalk that shit up to adolescence though.

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Poke Alster at 12:33PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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i dont think people expect u 2 b impressed by it
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PIT_FACE at 12:46PM, Nov. 11, 2007
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actualy i've met plenty of people who do.
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Poke Alster at 12:55PM, Nov. 12, 2007
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ok cool, but i dont meet many people like that but fair enough
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Mister Mxyzptlk at 6:00PM, Nov. 12, 2007
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OK, it seems to me that everywhere i go, everyone I meet tells me that they are “unusual” or “eccentric” or that their sense of humor is “really odd.”

Everyone wants to think they are “special”. It comes from the way we over use the meme “it's for the children”. We have told children that they are the most precious and wonderful and important and wonderful resource we could ever ever want in the whole wide world and every one of them is so wonderful and special donca' know. So when they grow up they actually BELEIVE that load of crap even though most of them will be blue collar slobs that would be replaced with a monkey who can masturbate while riding a unicycle if the unions weren't so desperate for members.

So they decide their utter and total lameness is somehow special. Eccentric sounds so much better than delusional so that's the word they use. They probably use “decimate” for “destroy” too so they are probably pig ignorant as well.

I, however, AM eccentric. Or was that effeminate… I can never keep track of the words that should apply to me.
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OK, it seems to me that everywhere i go, everyone I meet tells me that they are “unusual” or “eccentric” or that their sense of humor is “really odd.”

Everyone wants to think they are “special”. It comes from the way we over use the meme “it's for the children”. We have told children that they are the most precious and wonderful and important and wonderful resource we could ever ever want in the whole wide world and every one of them is so wonderful and special donca' know. So when they grow up they actually BELEIVE that load of crap even though most of them will be blue collar slobs that would be replaced with a monkey who can masturbate while riding a unicycle if the unions weren't so desperate for members.

So they decide their utter and total lameness is somehow special. Eccentric sounds so much better than delusional so that's the word they use. They probably use “decimate” for “destroy” too so they are probably pig ignorant as well.

I, however, AM eccentric. Or was that effeminate… I can never keep track of the words that should apply to me.

Blue collar slobs??? Please don't tell me that you are implying that people who do an honest days work are by definition slobs unworthy of considering themselves unique or special. Do you really think a monkey can drive a firetruck or a bus? Man that is one cynical ass attitude.

So who is special? White collar workers? Why is that, because they make more money?

So what exactly are you trying to say, parents shouldn't instill a sense of self worth in their kids, shouldn't encourage them to dream of greatness? Perhaps they should hand them a revoler and tell them to off them selves because they are nothing special and never will be?

What you would call a load of crap, some would call loving parents who see the best in their kids and encourage them to see themselves a sspecial, and good thing too, because there are plenty of folks out there waiting to accuse them of being losers at the drop of a hat.
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HalJones at 7:20AM, Nov. 13, 2007
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I just got to the point where I didn't care what people thought of me.

Of course, I don't have many friends, either.

Could there be a connection?

Hal
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Mister Mxyzptlk at 7:36AM, Nov. 13, 2007
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Blue collar slobs??? Please don't tell me that you are implying that people who do an honest days work are by definition slobs unworthy of considering themselves unique or special.

If you spend all day tightening the left side lug nuts on a Buick and you haven't gone completely mental then you are not going to be eccentric, or even interesting come to think of it…

bobhhh
Do you really think a monkey can drive a firetruck or a bus?

A monkey who can masturbate while riding a unicycle would be one talented chunk of monkey meat. He'd need a boost up chair to see out the windows and hand controls for brake and throttle. But yeah, he could do as well as every bus driver I've ever seen. As for the fire truck, they keep those stupid Dalmatians around, why not swap them out for monkeys who can drive?

bobhhh
Man that is one cynical ass attitude.

It comes from being around people. The more you meet, the less hope you have for them as a species.

bobhhh
So who is special? White collar workers? Why is that, because they make more money?

You think I like them any more than their blue collar comrades? Blah, they are equally dull and lifeless. Except I wouldn't want a monkey, even one who could perform fellatio on himself while riding the unicycle, to do open heart surgery on me. The only thing you can say about most white collar workers is they are less expendable.

Except for anyone involved in the banking, investment and insurance industries. They can be replaced with computers that say “give us all your money, trust us.”.

bobhhh
So what exactly are you trying to say, parents shouldn't instill a sense of self worth in their kids, shouldn't encourage them to dream of greatness?

Self worth is perfectly fine. The problem with this “it's for the children” delusion we keep pushing is they set their own values too high and when reality rears it's ugly head and they spend the rest of their lives putting the arms on dolls in a factory they get messed up because their expectations and their outcomes are so far out of whack. Remember, most sociopaths have a real high self esteem…

bobhhh
Perhaps they should hand them a revolver and tell them to off them selves because they are nothing special and never will be?

Only in the case of the children of Democrats.

Oh, and Republicans too. Let's be non-partisan after all.

bobhhh
What you would call a load of crap, some would call loving parents who see the best in their kids and encourage them to see themselves a special

But what are the odds that they WILL be special? Why not tell kids that they've got a real good shot at winning a Nobel Prize while they're at it? I mean if your lying about the fish you may as well add feet instead of inches.
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bobhhh at 8:44AM, Nov. 13, 2007
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If you spend all day tightening the left side lug nuts on a Buick and you haven't gone completely mental then you are not going to be eccentric, or even interesting come to think of it…

Self worth is perfectly fine. The problem with this “it's for the children” delusion we keep pushing is they set their own values too high and when reality rears it's ugly head and they spend the rest of their lives putting the arms on dolls in a factory they get messed up because their expectations and their outcomes are so far out of whack. Remember, most sociopaths have a real high self esteem…


But what are the odds that they WILL be special? Why not tell kids that they've got a real good shot at winning a Nobel Prize while they're at it? I mean if your lying about the fish you may as well add feet instead of inches.

It's not neccesarily a lie simply because you think so, After all if Tiger Woods wasn't told he was special and been exposed by his dad at an eraly age to golf, he may not have been a golf star. I mean why did he lie to his kid? What were the chances of a young black kid winning the Masters? I guess its a good thing he did win or he would probably have ended up a sociopath.

I'll tell you what is true besides your obvious snobbery; tell your kids they aren't special from day one, and the probably live down to your expectations.
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Mister Mxyzptlk at 8:47PM, Nov. 13, 2007
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After all if Tiger Woods wasn't told he was special and been exposed by his dad at an early age to golf, he may not have been a golf star.

He also worked the kid like a dog to MAKE him into a top notch golfer. I wonder how many wanna be golf pros are out there throwing shit at the TV every time they see Tiger's commercials. Angry at the world and their parents for telling them “you can be anything you want Billy” but not putting the effort into MAKING them into something.

bobhhh
I'll tell you what is true besides your obvious snobbery

Snobbery? I thought I was an insufferable ass…

bobhhh
tell your kids they aren't special from day one, and the probably live down to your expectations.

I'd rather see people spend time with their kids helping them become something special instead of just promising them wonderfulness without doing the work. Dropping your kid off at soccer practice while blathering on the cell phone and hoping that the coach will do the work isn't going to help them one bit. Most parents say their kids are special, but they spend more time working than with their kids. What kind of message does that send? “you are so very special but I just don't want to be near you for too long.”
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