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Conservative or Liberal?
deletedbyrequest03 at 8:03PM, April 19, 2007
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Are you either more conservative or liberal?

I'm liberal. I like doing things in a more fun, unique way then just following a traditional way. I just noticed this today when we were discussing this before in one of my classes. We were doing an essay, but first we were taking a small quiz. The quiz talked about a lot of stuff, like if you accepted homosexuality, or if you had a certain dresscode you had to follow from your parents and stuff… I mean, homosexuality's completely fine with me, and I wear random crap all the time. Wearing all black isn't bad! Seriously! It's fun :D And some days, I wear a LOT of color! Fun times!

How about you?

This year, school's full of BS!!!
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The mediocre one at 8:06PM, April 19, 2007
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Neither, Bull Moose party, man.
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silentkitty at 8:08PM, April 19, 2007
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I suppose, out of the two, I would be defined as liberal.
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Inkmonkey at 8:27PM, April 19, 2007
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Out of the two I guess I'm more liberal, but tests and such tend to list me as “libertarian” or “centrist”, whatever those are.
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subcultured at 8:34PM, April 19, 2007
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i don't like labeling myself.
it just makes a person act in a certain way because everyone fom that group seems to feel like they have to.

it just limits self growth.
J
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Alexis at 9:02PM, April 19, 2007
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The mediocre one
Neither, Bull Moose party, man.

Haha, or maybe a Whig.
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Kristen Gudsnuk at 9:29PM, April 19, 2007
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subcultured
i don't like labeling myself.
it just makes a person act in a certain way because everyone fom that group seems to feel like they have to.

it just limits self growth.
meh, I disagree. first of all, it's human nature to label, (what is language, but a bunch of labels scotch-taped together by grammar?) second of all, to label is to judge, and to judge is to attempt understanding. thus, I think that deciding who you are, trying to figure out what you believe in and your place in this world, doesn't limit growth; it does the opposite.
And just because you consider yourself to be conservative or liberal doesn't mean that you have to blindly follow the doctrines of other like-minded individuals. me, for example, I'm really liberal. really, really liberal. BUT I'm against abortion. (I think so, at least. I saw some fetuses recently and now I'm not sure.) But I'm really REALLY back-breakingly against capital punishment. and I think that prison systems need total and utter reform.
as far as in the non-political sense, I'm liberal still. I'm very accepting (I've been told I'm too accepting meheheh) I consider myself open-minded, and I'm all for change!!
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subcultured at 9:40PM, April 19, 2007
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i'm not talking about labeling objects or making a language…

labeling yourself as a conservative/liberal can bring you close to some people, but put a gap on others.

my attitude is be what you are. have multiple attitudes ideas about subjects. don't conform to what your “party” is doing.

be your own thinker.
don't let others do it for you just because you label yourselves the same.
J
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Roguehill at 6:35AM, April 20, 2007
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Meh. I know who I am, so I don't mind using a common label to describe myself.

I would have described myself as liberal when I was young, but now that I'm old, I'm conservative.

You see, it's easy to be free…Free…FREE! in your thinking and actions when you don't have much of a responsibility to others.

Then, you start having children, spouses and start owning property. When that happens, who's in office becomes important. You realize that “the rules” are there to help everyone get along….even though they can be a personal inconvenience at times…not to squash your freedoms. No, you're not being “hassled by the man”, you're acting in ways that impacts other people, or is just downright dangerous.

If I lived on the planet by myself, I could be as liberal as I wanted to be. Until then……

GHOST ZERO
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ozoneocean at 6:49AM, April 20, 2007
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I'm opposite to you Roguehill . When I was young I was conservative in my leanings and thinking, but as I grew up, learned about the world, other people and my place in the community; I realise how selfish and short-sighted I'd been. :D

For me, being left wing isn't about being free to do as you want, being left is about making sure others in your community are as free, safe, and happy as you.
 
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subcultured at 7:00AM, April 20, 2007
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Roguehill
Meh. I know who I am, so I don't mind using a common label to describe myself.

I would have described myself as liberal when I was young, but now that I'm old, I'm conservative.

that's an almost normal reaction to havin more responsibility (kids, wife, property).

laws are there to protect them.

Giving up some freedom helps to keep them in your life.

J
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subcultured at 7:04AM, April 20, 2007
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oh, and labels like this makes me think of people who take those quizes in magazine i.e. “are you a great lover?”…makes no sense to me, because you can always ask your better half. if there's an akward pause, then yer not hahaha

people doing a checklist if they qualify to be in a certain group is kinda dumb
J
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usedbooks at 7:06AM, April 20, 2007
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I think in life and my personal actions, I'm pretty conservative. I follow rules, don't take risks, always attend my classes, and take on responsibilities and follow through. I live very “clean” and would make any conservative happy through my life. Even my most conservative family and neighbors think I'm a “good girl.”

BUUUT… On the issues and in my attitude toward others, I am very liberal. I live my life how I choose. I feel other people should have the right to live how they choose as well. Most of my best and favorite friends are far wilder than I am and would be quick targets for the ultra-conservatives of the world. (Wiccans and homosexuals and all types of “questionable” ;) types). I like people, all kinds of people. I don't see why they should be made to think or act a certain way (unless it directly harms someone else, of course – and “harming” an idea or philosophy doesn't count).
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Kristen Gudsnuk at 7:30AM, April 20, 2007
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Roguehill
Meh. I know who I am, so I don't mind using a common label to describe myself.

I would have described myself as liberal when I was young, but now that I'm old, I'm conservative.

You see, it's easy to be free…Free…FREE! in your thinking and actions when you don't have much of a responsibility to others.

Then, you start having children, spouses and start owning property. When that happens, who's in office becomes important. You realize that “the rules” are there to help everyone get along….even though they can be a personal inconvenience at times…not to squash your freedoms. No, you're not being “hassled by the man”, you're acting in ways that impacts other people, or is just downright dangerous.

If I lived on the planet by myself, I could be as liberal as I wanted to be. Until then……

ok, the following is very partisan, for which I humbly apologize… I tried to keep it as non-mean as possible, but take this with a grain of salt, heh!

I don't see how being conservative denotes being responsible. I mean, conservatives play it safe and stay in their little niche, ignoring reform and giving up freedom for “security”. But that kind of attitude is one that fosters apathy. When someone's always striving to progress and change things, it's not out of youthful rebellion, as you seem to imply. It's because one wants things to be fairer, better, more balanced. If we allow our rights to be infringed upon, then that's not protecting our properties or our families. it's harmful in the long run. If you say, “it's ok because we're at war” or something, and don't protest and try to make a difference, then it's a slippery slope that can lead to much worse. Societal stagnation (which seems to be the aim of conservatives) is actually very irresponsible, for obvious reasons.

also, I'm curious as to why you assume that just because someone doesn't have kids or own property, he or she does not have any responsibilities other than him- or herself.

our world is our responsibility. not just our families and our houses. our fellow citizens should be our responsibility too (and that's where lots of conservatives disagree with me ;_; )
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subcultured at 7:40AM, April 20, 2007
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playing it safe i.e. you wont binge drink the week away as you have work to do so you can support your household, feed your kids, support each other.

you can't just go off and be free while your kids starve.

and i never said not having kids/property aren't responsible
Someone
(from a previous post about going liberal to nservative) that's an almost normal reaction to havin more responsibility (kids, wife, property).

some rights: i.e. freedom of speech are refined so that you can't create a mass stampede by saying there's a bomb. which will most likey cause someone dying from bieng stamped to death or getting hurt.

i'm an amaglamation of both conservative/liberal. conservatives like the war, liberals do not. i have some conservative ideas, but i hate the war. so the system of labeling conservative/liberal already failed for me.
J
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Neilsama at 8:05AM, April 20, 2007
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I consider myself centrist. Granted, I get along much better with liberals than any conservative, but I think liberals have their own brand of bullshit that keeps me from wanting to be one.
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ozoneocean at 8:06AM, April 20, 2007
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Hmm, Being “liberal” is not about being irresponsible and being conservative isn't about responsibility.
Very crudely: conservatism concerns MY rights above yours, while Liberalism concerns OUR rights which are all the same.
 
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Kristen Gudsnuk at 8:26AM, April 20, 2007
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playing it safe i.e. you wont binge drink the week away as you have work to do so you can support your household, feed your kids, support each other.

you can't just go off and be free while your kids starve.

hm… I don't really think that the situation applies here. Liberalism connotes HAVING certain rights, but it doesn't say that one has to/should abuse those rights.
What you've mentioned– being an irresponsible family member– I mean, that kind of stuff happens regardless whether one is liberal or conservative. the discussion is about philosophical ideals, not about choices like, “should I go out drinking tonight or do something productive?”
I mean, one could say that because liberals put the community at the same level as the self (what with social programs and the general “bleeding-heart” stuff) that a liberal wouldn't sacrifice his or her family for hedonism. community first!!

I've been accused of being a bad liberal ;_;… because I think that people in comas and stuff, in vegetative states, should be kept alive! yeah man! life=awesome!
but I believe in assisted suicide when one has the consent of the person who wants to die.
and I'm not very into donating money to darfur and stuff. I feel like all America ever does is mess stuff up, so we should just stick to our own problems. I know that it's not a nice thing to say, but… gees, there are sooo many homeless people!!! the other day I saw 3 people sharing a grate! for a moment I thought, “aww slumber party!” but then I felt sad that there's not even enough grates for the homeless.
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subcultured at 8:43AM, April 20, 2007
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ohb noes, this is starting to sound like a debate and discussion topic.
J
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kingofsnake at 8:56AM, April 20, 2007
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i dunno, whats the difference really?

the idea of the definition of liberal and conservative is based as much on public opinion and media depiction as it is on actual policies.

According to the current idea i'd probably be more liberal than conservative. But really I just take whatever position make sense to me.
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subcultured at 9:03AM, April 20, 2007
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hahaha
yea there should be a label like libconserveral

but people like make dichotomies of almost everything:
evil/good

God/devil

democrat/republican

pro/con

black/white




personally, i live in the gray…and it's not that drab over here because i can see both colors.

J
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ozoneocean at 9:06AM, April 20, 2007
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ohb noes, this is starting to sound like a debate and discussion topic.
True
kingofsnake
the idea of the definition of liberal and conservative is based as much on public opinion and media depiction as it is on actual policies.
Depends on which public. ;)

No, I don't think you can take that position since rival groups routinely deliberately caricature and MIS-represent the other as you see from the bizarre ideas here of what constitutes ideas like “Liberal”, “Conservative” and “Centrist”. So you must go to a reasonably impartial source in those cases. It also varies from country to country: as has been said before; the centre position in the US (even centre Left) would be considered to the right of centre in most countries around the world.

Moved.
 
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deletedbyrequest03 at 2:15PM, April 20, 2007
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Sorry about putting it in the wrong forum. For a second there, I thought I got a letter from a fan… *laughs*

I'm surprised at how many people are just in the middle. A lot of people like to be one or the other. Although, since I'm a teenager, the majority of my peer group has to be liberal…

This year, school's full of BS!!!
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kyupol at 2:30PM, April 20, 2007
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I think I'm conservative.

But when I used to debate alot on other forums (what can I do. boring 3 hour break between classes in school lol) I've been labelled as a communist or a socialist. Lol one time I've been called an al quaeda lover.

NOW UPDATING!!!
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nighthawk41 at 3:58PM, April 20, 2007
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I am neither. Those aren't the only two social parties that exist you know.
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ccs1989 at 7:35PM, April 20, 2007
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I'm more on the left, but when you get down to it you really have to have balance. You also can't refuse to listen to one person just because they're of a certain political party. For example I usually disagree with a majority of what Rush Limbaugh says, but the latest thing he said about the Virginia Tech shooting and about certain media elements being used as scapegoats for what was really an isolated incident carried out by a mentally disturbed individual was something I thought was very rational of him.

On the one hand radical conservatism is totalitarianism, but on the other hand radical liberalism is anarchy. You have to find a balance, as the US has through democracy, and try to use that balance to keep the country stable and the quality of living as good for as many people as possible.

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lothar at 10:13PM, April 20, 2007
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CONSERVATIVE
Realy, the word “Conservative” doesn't feel like the right word to use , if we're talking about Republicans in the US .their policies of late are anything but conservative. The government has changed radicaly in the last few years.
and the things they are conservative on ; preseving the institution of War, religiously based bigotry, the continued Rape of the planet, a leze fair attitude twards global poverty and misery … i could prolly think of some more .

LIBERAL
Liberal -favorable to progress or reform, sounds good in theory, but you wont catch me voting for Hillary in 08 !
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marine at 11:06PM, April 20, 2007
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Can you be so much of one that you run into the other?
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Phantom Penguin at 7:27PM, April 21, 2007
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I'm a Democratic Socialist.
go me.
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reconjsh at 8:35PM, April 21, 2007
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It's tough using those labels since both parties have changed so much in the last decade or so (dem and rep)… and I'm kind of changing “politically” myself as well.

More often than not though, I vote conservative… but I'm moderate enough to have voted for both sides in the past depending on the individual and the position. If I had to choose one term… I'd choose centrist or moderate though because I have views on both sides… like I'm for equal rights for all, including gays and their marriages but very opposed to abortion. I'm for small government and federalism (this used to be a conservative value but now neither party really supports this) but support a lot of the federally mandated things nonetheless (like education reform and enviromental (but there's a current lack of) control. I'm pro military development but also very pro enviroment (my wife and I live a semi “green” and “organic” life style. So yeah, neither side has candidates that appeal to me.

I don't know though - both sides in America are pretty f-ed up and I don't really want to be associated with either at the moment.

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