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lefarce at 8:16PM, Dec. 16, 2007
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Well Nolan has also gone on record saying this film focuses on the relationship of Batman and Harvey Dent than it will with the Joker. I honestly don't expect to see him too much in this film.

Anyone else notice though that the part with the Joker in jail seems to be from the past?

I could have sworn the guy with him was the DA who got killed in Begins, and Gordon looks much younger. I would love it if the reason Gordon gave bats the card was because he knew Batman was the only one who could stop this lunatic that the GPD failed to take down years ago.

But it's still super early to tell. The release date was July 18th, now it just says “coming soon” and “summer 2008”.

 
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Ziffy88 at 8:34PM, Dec. 16, 2007
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I love how in the animated series the Joker practically mind rapes Tim Drake. Also was Dent in the trailer?
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lefarce at 8:52PM, Dec. 16, 2007
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I love how in the animated series the Joker practically mind rapes Tim Drake. Also was Dent in the trailer?

You can see him at the party if you look really really really closely. That's my only problem with the trailer, not enough Dent.

 
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mishi_hime at 12:48AM, Dec. 17, 2007
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I've always wondered what dumbass would work with the Joker in the first place

lefarce would




No, I would be Mr.J.

and you know im you're harley quinn.
of course, i'd work for the joker! he's so much fun.
and humor…girls like humor.how could you NOT want to work for him.
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lastcall at 2:53AM, Dec. 17, 2007
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I love how in the animated series the Joker practically mind rapes Tim Drake.

Have you ever read The Further Adventures of the Joker?? One of my favorite books; came out right after the 1989 Batman movie. Every short story in the book involves Mr. J mind-raping someone. It's f***ing awesome. My favorite one is of him calling a sex hotline and trying to get the girl to commit suicide.

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Ziffy88 at 9:39AM, Dec. 17, 2007
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yeah but it was Robin Tim Drake till a kid Robin. Plus it was a kids cartoon.
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QSAMA at 11:47AM, Dec. 17, 2007
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its the CROOOOOOOOOW!!!

im sorry but the two best jokers will forever be jack nicholson and mark hamill PERIOD
!!
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lefarce at 12:28PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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its the CROOOOOOOOOW!!!

im sorry but the two best jokers will forever be jack nicholson and mark hamill PERIOD
!!

Hamil sucked monster balls. I don't know why people liked him. His character design was easily the worst thing Bruce Tim ever put down on paper.

Honestly, Leger NAILED the part, at least in terms of the Nolan universe. There isn't a damn thing about this Joker that is not screaming JOKER. In fact, the movie hasn't even come out and I'm already going to say… *SHOCK HORROR*

Jack Nicholson's Joker sucks compared to this masterpiece.

Also, Crow was a horrible film and I'm glad Brandon Lee is dead.

 
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kingofsnake at 12:35PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Mark Hamil's Joker is up there for me. Its not about the character design its about the attitude, and about the voice, and the laugh. Especially by the time his JLA appearance rolled around, he was really such a strong character.

Jack Nicholson's Joker sucked. Jack is the man, but his Joker was too inspired by the shitty Adam West era Joker.
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lefarce at 12:45PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Mark Hamil's Joker is up there for me. Its not about the character design its about the attitude, and about the voice, and the laugh. Especially by the time his JLA appearance rolled around, he was really such a strong character.

Jack Nicholson's Joker sucked. Jack is the man, but his Joker was too inspired by the shitty Adam West era Joker.
Oh no, it's not just the design. His voice, his laugh, his attitude. He's too much of a characature. He's actually not serious enough at times. The Joker isn't all fun and games, he's got a real dark side too. Something that no one has really captured so far. Jack, Hamil, Ceasar, none of them gave off a menacing feel like I get from reading the comics.

Leger on the other hand… Words cannot describe the chills that ran up my spin once he said “lets put a smile on that face”.

Also, he blows up a hospital, so that right there makes him more badass than all the other “I'mma poison the water” jokers in the other shows/movies. :/

 
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SarahN at 1:17PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Bleh, I liked the animated Batman. Can't change that with me.
Though I DO wonder what Bruce Timm and all of them would've done had they not been limited by the kiddie channels ratings.
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isukun at 8:52PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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They'd make crap like Superman: Doomsday.
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Ziffy88 at 9:17PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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The Mark Hamill Joker was a combination of the darker modern stories and the campy fun ones. One day he'll do something silly the next he might plan of Jokerizing people. It worked even more when the did the darker episodes like the one about the Joker fish. He talks about doing all these horrific things and actually does some while smiling and making a creepy one-liner. I mean it's not scary but when you think about what's he done. Also the Joker rarely scares me in the comics, he's just a nut. I still think anyone besides Harley is stupid for working with him. I do not think the Joker would even talk in this serious voice like Ledger(though he does seem awesome)I see having a more light hearted voice while being really sadistic. Plus the show was limited due to the idea that a cartoon must only be for a kid. I think they need to loosen their grips.

Also between Blowing up the hospital and mind raping your arch-nemesis sidekick. I think mind-raping is much for F'd up than just blowing up a hospital.
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lefarce at 9:39PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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The Mark Hamill Joker was a combination of the darker modern stories and the campy fun ones. One day he'll do something silly the next he might plan of Jokerizing people. It worked even more when the did the darker episodes like the one about the Joker fish. He talks about doing all these horrific things and actually does some while smiling and making a creepy one-liner. I mean it's not scary but when you think about what's he done. Also the Joker rarely scares me in the comics, he's just a nut. I still think anyone besides Harley is stupid for working with him. I do not think the Joker would even talk in this serious voice like Ledger(though he does seem awesome)I see having a more light hearted voice while being really sadistic. Plus the show was limited due to the idea that a cartoon must only be for a kid. I think they need to loosen their grips.

Also between Blowing up the hospital and mind raping your arch-nemesis sidekick. I think mind-raping is much for F'd up than just blowing up a hospital.

He mind rapes bats, if the first, like, ten seconds of that railer meant anything. Hell, the first time you wee Wayne he's crying with his costume sprawled out on the floor.

If you pay close attention you almost get the hint that the Joker has turned Gotham AGAINST batman, and that the cops are working with the Joker. He's much more sinister.


 
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Ziffy88 at 9:51PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Naw it's not cause of the joker. It was from the first one because the Batman is still an Outlaw and not many trust him. And Batman is just going through a mid-life crisis right now, isn't this still when he's just started being Batman. Not the aged gone through two partners Batman. Isn't this suppose to take place right after the first.
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lefarce at 10:07PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Naw it's not cause of the joker. It was from the first one because the Batman is still an Outlaw and not many trust him. And Batman is just going through a mid-life crisis right now, isn't this still when he's just started being Batman. Not the aged gone through two partners Batman. Isn't this suppose to take place right after the first.

What?

This takes place SHORTLY after the first. There are going to be a series of six animated shorts that explain what happens between them. After the first he is generally trusted and looked up to by Gotham and GPD. He is asked to take down the Joker, and sets out to find him.

Now, look at the part where he is crying. He's in the NEW batsuit. He has the old one for the first portion of the film, and has to change it for some reason later on. Plus, they crush the batsignal. Then take the part where Joker says “like me”. There are cops behind him, WATCHING, not doing anything. It's as if he is working with them to take down Batman.

My guess is he turns Gotham against bats. Keep in mind, there are stills of Batman look-alikes. Maybe that has something to do with it, although it hear it's more about the Scarecrow returning (fuck yes).

Also, how is he going through mid-life when he's just turned 30?

You can tell if you pay attention to the trailer, Joker is seriously going to fuck with Batman's head, if not all of Gotham. That's why I think he's nailed the character. Nicholson wasn't a mind fuck.

 
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Ziffy88 at 11:11PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Stress?
So Batman still has never caught the Joker. Such an incompetent yutz.
Also Scarecrow is back? Awesome
Also Really I thought really only a few trust him and Gordon is still not commissioner
Also I do agree Heath Ledger is gonna be awesome
also Batman crying for shame. Take that with your emo-spiderman
also according to 52 the joker tends to switch personalities. From murdering to clown so that's why I like Hamill's a lot. But it's about time we get some creepy murding clowns on the screne. It's been way too long(Return of the Joker and Phantasm pa). But Ledger's Joker is perfect for Nolan's serious realistic batman. Nicholson was perfect for Burton's(who apparently doesn't even read comics)noir retro version.
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jalford at 11:38PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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What I read in the latest Wizard, Scarecrow should be in it, if only briefly. Two-Face will be the secret character of the movie, showing up sorta like Venom did in Spider-Man 3. We also don't really know if Ra's Al Ghul is dead. Course, he's been dead before. It would be very cool to see Talia in Batman 3.
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lefarce at 11:42PM, Dec. 17, 2007
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Stress?

The only thing that made him sob in the last film was losing his house and his parent's death. I don't think nabbing baddies is going to “stress” Wayne out. Something traumatic has to happen.


So Batman still has never caught the Joker. Such an incompetent yutz.
This is the second film. From what I hear he's mostly hunting the Arkham inmates and Scarecrow in the animated shorts.


Also Scarecrow is back? Awesome

I'm avoiding this one like crazy. He is back, and apparently plays some “major” part. I am making an effort to avoid any plot details. Everything so far is speculation, but several things are sure fire. I've at least spoiled the make-up thing though, but I don't think that's a major point at all.

Also Really I thought really only a few trust him and Gordon is still not commissioner

He is trusted enough for a lieutenant to create a giant lamp to call his masked friend. I would say GPD may not like him too much, but it's an uneasy relationship. Gordon is not the commissioner yet. Loeb still is, but who knows for how long. He's pretty trust worthy, unlike the comic version, so I'm guessing something pretty nasty happens to him.

Also I do agree Heath Ledger is gonna be awesome
also Batman crying for shame. Take that with your emo-spiderman
also according to 52 the joker tends to switch personalities. From murdering to clown so that's why I like Hamill's a lot. But it's about time we get some creepy murding clowns on the screne. It's been way too long(Return of the Joker and Phantasm pa). But Ledger's Joker is perfect for Nolan's serious realistic batman. Nicholson was perfect for Burton's(who apparently doesn't even read comics)noir retro version.

Nicholson loved the Joker and felt it was a very personal role, mostly because he watched the 60's show, not the comics. Hamil's version doesn't sway enough between the “three” Joker persona's. The happy clown, the mobster, and the murdering rage-a-holic. You can easily point out all three though in the TDK trailer. Leger's Joker fits perfectly in the Nolan universe, but maybe not so much in the comic universe. However, I think I'll enjoy this take better than the rest. It just clicks with me much more. Hamil's I just never really liked. It just wasn't my thing. But I think if Bruce Tim worked without limits it would have been amazing. When the hamil Joker had his dark moments, they were outrageously eerie. There is just something about that “home movies” reel that is purely unsettling.

 
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lastcall at 3:23AM, Dec. 18, 2007
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I wanna see Christopher Nolan do a Catwoman remake. I don't even acknoledge that the Halle Berry version even exists, so I can see Mr. Nolan really digging into Selina Kyle's origins and breathing a dark side into that story that should have been there in the first place. I always liked Tim Burton's take on Catwoman as well.

There was a good Catwoman novel out around 1990 that I think would make a good movie, if they do it right. It made Gotham City very raw and portrayed Selina as the simple cat thief she was. And the cover was really nice, too. I'm one of those people who does judge a book by their cover (maybe because I design book covers for a living, lol).


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JustNoPoint at 6:38AM, Dec. 18, 2007
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Not big on Batman or The Joker… but this looks like it would be a really good movie.

The way they portray Joker in this is great. Mind you I only have mainstream cartoon and Movie experiences with the Joker so I never got to see this side much.
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Ziffy88 at 9:01AM, Dec. 18, 2007
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Yeah I wish they had let Timm/Dini go a little more crazy with the people. It's sad to see how much the Batman Animated Series and to see how execs. hamper down on animation and limiting good story-telling. Why is it the only mature animation from here are only shows like Family Guy and Aqua Team Hunger Force, why can't we have serious mature animated shows. I'm not even talking about swearing and killing but at least a much more serious approach for an animated show would be nice. GI Joe would have been much better if people actually died.
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lastcall at 9:15AM, Dec. 18, 2007
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why can't we have serious mature animated shows. I'm not even talking about swearing and killing but at least a much more serious approach for an animated show would be nice. GI Joe would have been much better if people actually died.

Here's my take on it: Because the U.S. is made up of people and history of mostly Christian upbringing & beliefs. When Americans think of “cartoons”, they think of stuff for the kiddies, because that's what their Christian parents and their grandparents taught them to think, and they don't want to expose them to violence and bloodshed and boobies, because that's not what “good Christain kids” are exposed to.

…My evil Satanic demon spawn, on the other hand, will be exposed to everything bloody and gory and pornographic as soon as he pops out of my coochy. WOOOOO!!!! lol!

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kingofsnake at 9:21AM, Dec. 18, 2007
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Batman isn't crying because Gotham is turned against him. Clearly he doesn't need popular approval to do what he does. He's not out there to be loved, he's out there to be feared. Did you people even watch the first movie?

He's crying because he fails to protect Rachael Dawes from the Joker, duh

I concur that Gordon trusts Batman, but thats about it.
I have trouble believeing that the Joker is going to go well out of his way to destroy Batman that he would use guys dressed up like batman to run around the city commiting crimes to destroy batman's “rep” as a good guy, if that is indeed what you guys are implying. Thats something the joker would do after he's built up a rivalry with batman. But this is before that. I mean the Joker eventually gets to the point where he hates batman so much that every crime he commits is part of a plan to “get” batman. But he doesn't have that monomanical hatred for batman yet.

And that scene with the Joker in jail isn't a flashback from before Batman Begins. Gordon talks about escalation at the end of the first movie, indicating that the Joker appears almost in response to Batman appearing. If the Joker had been around before, his last speech wouldn't have made any sense.

The Joker gets arrested as part of his plan to kill the comissioner further shaming Harvey Dent, which allows Gordon to step into the role of new comissioner
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lefarce at 9:53AM, Dec. 18, 2007
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I read none of your spoilers because, well, don't want to be spoiled. I'm still betting he gets his mind fucked with though, be it out of loss to having people turned against him. Rumor has it Gordon is the one he's yelling “WHERE IS HE” to, which really implies that GPD has come to odds with Batman.

Also, the only reason I thought of that as a flashback is because he has “no name, no alias”. You would think they know he's the Joker already. Also, the guy standing next to Gordon (if memory serves me) is the (now dead) DA from the last film. Of course, the stills later of batman interrogating him in the new batsuit says otherwise, so maybe it was just poor writing.

That's whats so great though, about the Joker. All these crazy ideas each of us keep coming up with for just HOW he's going to fuck with Bats in this film. That shows how complex he is. We can't just all agree on one.

However, I still don't think it too far beyond him to turn a whole city against him and become the “new batman”, labeling Bats as a freak and getting everyone to hunt him down. To me that just sounds like something he would do. If he just goes around cutting people and trying to get under Batman's skin by making more personal crimes, I just don't think that will be epic enough. :/

 
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Ziffy88 at 12:35PM, Dec. 18, 2007
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why can't we have serious mature animated shows. I'm not even talking about swearing and killing but at least a much more serious approach for an animated show would be nice. GI Joe would have been much better if people actually died.

Here's my take on it: Because the U.S. is made up of people and history of mostly Christian upbringing & beliefs. When Americans think of “cartoons”, they think of stuff for the kiddies, because that's what their Christian parents and their grandparents taught them to think, and they don't want to expose them to violence and bloodshed and boobies, because that's not what “good Christain kids” are exposed to.

…My evil Satanic demon spawn, on the other hand, will be exposed to everything bloody and gory and pornographic as soon as he pops out of my coochy. WOOOOO!!!! lol!



okay….don't really think that's the problem but hey whatever…
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subcultured at 1:41PM, Dec. 18, 2007
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i bet you it's gonna be like venom on spiderman movies. 30 second cameo ^_-
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lastcall at 1:43PM, Dec. 18, 2007
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Wow, you guys are way too serious in here….I was only kidding with the demons popping out of my coochy, heh. Where's ozoneocean when you need him? Come on man, I need your sense of humor to back me up here…
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kingofsnake at 1:56PM, Dec. 18, 2007
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Where's ozoneocean when you need him?

Try saying his name three times, like beetlejuice
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ozoneocean at 2:10PM, Dec. 18, 2007
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HAHAHAHAHA!

Bloody and pornographic? The poor tyke ‘ll think it’s still up there ^_^
 
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