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Digital VS. Old School (by hand) how do you do your comics?
carly_mizzou at 9:11AM, Feb. 10, 2007
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okay so obviouly since this is Drunk Duck we all end up digital. What I'm wondering is how many of you create part/all of your comic by hand with conventional media?

I'm an old school print person, and when I got critiques at cons people always seemed really surprised that I still do all my stuff by hand!
My comics, TeH Evar, Aikiko, and Angel or profit, are all drawn by hand, inked with brushes and dip pens. I also tone by hand. I don't technically letter by hand, but I'm ghetto so I just typed up my script in word, printed it, the then got out the scissors and glue stick!

Creepy Carly is just blue office pens on yellow lined paper.

There is so much great art/well done comics around here, I'm curious as to how much people do by hand.

I know, big long question here….
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kytri at 9:16AM, Feb. 10, 2007
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I do everything except the lettering by hand. I learned digital media first though. I like natural media because it's a lot faster and it gives my comic a more distinct look at least when compared to a lot of digitally toned comics.
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silentkitty at 9:35AM, Feb. 10, 2007
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I do everything digitally, from sketch to finish, for Purgatory. But then again, the whole reason I started doing this comic was to learn how to do a full comic digitally. =P For my other projects, I pencil and ink traditionally, and then scan for coloring, though.
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FoxmanZEO at 5:20PM, Feb. 10, 2007
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All by hand, except I thicken the frame borders at the end, to get them all straight lookin' and whatnot. Oh and the initial ‘Black Oblong’ I print out, to further help keep everything from going all curvy and abstract.

Don't really have the gear to do much digital work anyways, and traditional makes me feel… traditional… like a farmer… with a pencil… that inks his crops…
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He who can.'


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carly_mizzou at 8:25PM, Feb. 10, 2007
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Sweet! I'm glad to see people still “draw” ^_^
Silentkitty> whoa! that would take me years to do. How was the “learning curve” on that project? it looks really nice!

Hmmmmm….oh, what kinda pens do peeps tend to ink with? I do g-tip and crowquill dip pens, but I'm looking to get away from them (too messy!)

Hoorah! (sorry, so curious!)
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subcultured at 9:01PM, Feb. 10, 2007
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i prefer digitally…i can experiment more than regular media.
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ozoneocean at 9:36PM, Feb. 10, 2007
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This “by hand” phrase is misleading… Whether I use my tablet stylus, my favourite mech pencil, or a sable brush, ALL my artwork is “by hand”. -There are no shortcuts to creation, not as far as I'm concerned; just more logical workflows.

Anyway, Currently Pinky TA is %100 done on a tablet, from start to finish.
I used to do it all in pencil first… I made acrylic paintings of some of the panels and used them in the comic, coloured pencils… whatever. Media that I've used on various aspects of Pinky TA include the aforementioned pencils, acrylic paint, and coloured pencils, but also watercolours, oil and chalk pastels, charcoal, and even part of a video project back in 2000. :)
 
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Aeon at 9:44PM, Feb. 10, 2007
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The first few Nancy strips– all the ones in four-panel format– were done with pencil in my sketchpad, then inked, toned, and lettered digitally. Now, Nancy is sketched, inked and colored digitally with my tablet, and a combination of Painter and Photoshop.

Anzie has always been %100 digital (although I did some rough thumbnails in my sketchpad, and I still do most character design work with pencil and paper.)

I very rarely sketch with pencil anymore. My tablet is my best friend. I'm kind of pathetic that way.
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WingNut at 7:32AM, Feb. 11, 2007
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I wish I could do Acquired Taste all on my tablet, but I'm not familiar enough with it, and when I DO try to do everyting on it, it's not up to the quality that I want it to be. So now, sketch, and ink by hand. Letter, Flat, and highlight digitally.

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LunarYouko at 12:25PM, Feb. 11, 2007
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For Ashes to Chaos I print out the template for the panels and do the sketching in pencil during my classes, mostly because of time constraints. I do all of the inking and text in Photoshop with my tablet. I find that I don't work well with traditional mediums because I tend to draw messily, leaving many pencil smudges and dark lines that are difficult to erase… and inking traditionally has never been a strong point. I'm much more comfortable in Photoshop with the safety of being able to erase and redraw the lines if they doesn't come out the way I want.
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LIZARD_B1TE at 1:58PM, Feb. 11, 2007
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For Heaven vs Hell, Grim and Bob, and Teenology, I use the computer only. In Deus, I do everything but the lettering with pen and pencil, unless I want the letters to look cool.
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lothar at 4:16AM, Feb. 12, 2007
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ozoneocean
This “by hand” phrase is misleading… Whether I use my tablet stylus, my favourite mech pencil, or a sable brush, ALL my artwork is “by hand”.
yea i always kinda laugh when people use that phrase , like what else would i use ? my feet? !! hehehe
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silentkitty at 8:42AM, Feb. 12, 2007
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Thanks Carly =) The learning curve wasn't too steep because I've done a little bit of work like this before. I'm still learning, though, of course. =3
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Piscareous at 9:06AM, Feb. 12, 2007
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I do everything except the lettering by hand. Im not skilled enough to tone on the computer yet, Im still expirementing with different programs and such.
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carly_mizzou at 12:54PM, Feb. 12, 2007
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Ahhhhh! I didn't mean to imply that digital artist are any less…well artistic. I just couldn't think of the right terminology for working hard copy. Which I just kinda resolved now… blap!

wow I am so impressed with the diversity going on. Seems like no two Drunk Duck artists create alike ^_^
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KomradeDave at 3:02PM, Feb. 12, 2007
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Pornography for the Soul (when I was still making strips) was done entirely in paint. Drawn with mouse and everything.

GuGu is a little more experimental for me but I draw and ink almost every panel full size in my sketch pad then resize them all and put them together into a page. I try to keep it as simple as possible so I use simple photo editors to put it all together after that.
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UncleWolfgang at 11:29PM, Feb. 12, 2007
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i draw by hand and colour on the computer.
i draw rather badly so it probably wouldnt make a big difference.

i reckon a graphic tablet would be great for me
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Darth Mongoose at 3:24AM, Feb. 13, 2007
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Combination, I guess. I generally do all the ‘drawing’ with traditional media, because I'm a lot faster and more precise with these, so I can get the exact line quality I want. I use a mechanical pencil, then I ink with fineliners. I use thicker pens than most manga artists, generally 0.5s and 0.8s, which is wonderful because ‘how to draw’ stuff always tells you you should NEVER use these, so it makes my stuff a bit more distinctive! Most people notice that I colour with copic markers, as that's what gives that cloudy texture to my comic, and the slightly subtle, natural looking feel of the colour. Of course, copics are expensive and have their limits, so more often than not, large areas, special effects and the like will be CG'ed. I also use CG for the speech and sound effects, all the chapter covers except the very first (which was pencil crayons!) and the occasional touching up of something like an ink run (they can happen even when you're being really cautious >_<). Oh, the one text thing that I DON'T do digitally is any writing in Japanese though. This is mainly out of habit. Ironically, when living in Japan, I had a computer that didn't have Japanese text support (weird, I know) and so even now, I tend towards writing the occasional Japanese spoken by Sarin in by hand. Luckily, my handwriting is neater in Japanese than in English!
I am doing a comic at the moment that's being made for print with digital screentones, but I still do the drawing and inking on paper. I'd like to learn to use my tablet for more than just colouring eventually, mostly so that I could make some cool flash animations with it! In general though, I'd say I'm an ‘old skooler’ slowly learning new tricks.
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Mark at 3:35AM, Feb. 13, 2007
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everything in my comic is done by hand except the end where i use the computer to make it perfectly black and white
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kingofsnake at 2:50PM, Feb. 13, 2007
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I always have done, and I suspect always will do a combination of the two.
My current process is to draw everything with pencil then scan them into the computer and use them as a guide to do all my inking in vector.

Its time consuming, but I love how the final result works, and I haven't figgured out my tablet yet.
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Roguehill at 6:29AM, Feb. 15, 2007
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I do everything, including greyscale in my comic by hand, then size and letter it after it's scanned into the computer. I like doing as much as I can traditionally, because I think it has a certain “feel” that would be tough to reproduce digitally, and it's important that the comic seem “old school”. “Old School” in this case would be Flash Gordan.)

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mlai at 8:14AM, Feb. 15, 2007
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I pencil, ink, then color with shades-of-grey markers. Scan the paper with greyscale, resize, add black panel borders and text. The text was hand-written, then made into a font to be typed into the comic's word balloons.

My partner is trying to go more digital because he has a pad. I can't be bothered to (1)buy a pad and (2)learn how to CG.

Also, if the CG route doesn't save any time off of the pencil-ink route, then it's ultimately worthless to me. I have no aspirations to learn how to CG color.

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Friedenmann at 8:58AM, Feb. 18, 2007
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When paintin' I generally use both technics (see http://friedenmann.deviantart.com), but as completin' a digital outline takes me a few hours, I fear alternative of drawin' a comic like this. Angel Effect is traditional with finishin' touch on comp. I'm goin' to start another comic soon - full-color one. I haven't decided how to treat it yet, but I think I'll draw a careful pencil lineart and fill it in Photoshop. I'm not sure if it will be perfect, though:(
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ian_feverdream at 9:02PM, Feb. 19, 2007
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I posted this in another forum but it applies here.

I don't have a scanner and since the final product is going to be online, I bypass the paper stage.
0) I spend days and weeks, while commuting to and from work, thinking about the script and laying out what I think it should look like.
1) I start with the text on the page, split out into panels and word balloons. at 400% of finished size.
2) I scribble a rough idea of what I want. boxes and stick figures.
3) I used 3d Max and Poser 4.0 to block out the figures and structures for each panel. I could draw it, but it would take so much longer.

4) Then I apply a 5-20 pixel blur to the poser renders. I want to use the renders as guides, not to slavishly trace them.

5) Then I ink over the renders with a new photoshop layer, making sure my lines are 4x bigger. All my details are invented at this point. My base render might be a fuzzy box. The final art is of a building with windows and doors and such. So there is actual art involved.
6) Apply colors and greys. Still not fluent with that.
7) Save as and reduce 25%. Tada. Done.

Do I lose social status points for admitting I use poser? Does anyone else use poser as an underlying guide, but not in the finished art?
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Roguehill at 5:52AM, Feb. 20, 2007
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Ian is a poser?

Nooo!!

Seriously, using any reference you can isn't cheating…unless you're directly copying someone else's work. I thought that was a super tutorial of your work!


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ian_feverdream at 6:40AM, Feb. 20, 2007
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I'm not a poser, I'm a Poseur! I am still a little defensive by my use of Poser since the net is flooded by the endless sea of large bosomed poser babes pics. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's just pretty boring after a while. The early poser renders suffer from that “uncanny valley” effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley where they just don't look quite right.
I find 3D max and poser to be incredibly helpful for scene set up. I can move my actors around, trying a dozen positions and variations till I find the best version. I can rough out up a room or a city and adjust my camera angles and depth of field till I get the right dramatic effect. It took 4 different camera render of the shot where Dante crashes through the window to find the strongest one. Link to crash final art.
I'll spend more time figuring out the more detailed geometry of settings I'll use over and over, like the starship. I could have been an architect in an alternate life, so I enjoy the design process of placing rooms and wall.
I've got separate models for all the crew members, to define their physical look like height, build and paint. For the extras, I'll ink on the fly, or use generic poser bodies.
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subcultured at 6:51AM, Feb. 20, 2007
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reminds me of how oku(mangaka) makes “gantz”
i suppose that's why he's able to be fast on his issues and still have good quality



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ian_feverdream at 10:08AM, Feb. 20, 2007
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Wow! Subcultured, that is a great example. I wished I had a set of assistants. The 3d characters models look like Poser. Wahoo!
And though it's off topic, What's up with the people being sliced in half?
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– What happens over the rainbow, stays over the rainbow.
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subcultured at 12:07PM, Feb. 20, 2007
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they're teleporting
i first got interested by gantz from its anime
it's based off a manga, which is so much better than the anime
the anime ended it really stupidly. the gantz manga is still going

its bloody
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mlai at 1:56PM, Feb. 20, 2007
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I don't like the idea of using Poser programs…

1. It's more time consuming. Ideally, you should be able to draw the action pose out of your head, or at least get it after a few tries, which theoretically should take much less time than messing with a program and manipulating the model's joints etc.

2. It lacks dynamicism that is found only when it's created completely by hand. One, action poses aren't necessarily proportional. Two, home-use poser progams cannot replicate (yet) all the positions of the human body. The shoulders, for example. Also, the skill of the user in understanding the human body is important, since it's he who poses the polygonal figure. Using a poser program may hide this shortcoming from the artist himself.

3. Ultimately, hand-drawn art is not replaced by panels of photographed actors precisely because there are things art can do that reality can't. And I'm not talking about props budget etc.

However, I do have a 67-joints Spiderman action figure which I use from time to time, like so:
http://www.drunkduck.com/community/view_topic.php?p=5&cid=240&tid=22188

So I can understand why someone who uses Poser with proficiency would see its merits.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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