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Black_Kitty at 7:36PM, March 11, 2009
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This is the thread for talks and concerns regarding the game Mafia. This is so that the current game can continue without it being hijacked. (Because really it's not fair for Niccea to spend all this time hosting and making up a game only for it to be hijacked.)

Niccea:

I thought there was no better place to put in the rules.

The Previously Unwritten Rules of the Mafia Game
(Now Written)

GM Rules

Becoming A GM

* A GM must be elected by the majority with the previous GM running the elections.
* A GM cannot GM twice in a row.
* It is required that a player actively play at least two games before he/she can run for GM
* For entry to be valid, the GM candidate must include their rules/roles for the game and a sample narrative with clue breakdown.
* The GM candidate must set up a rough schedule for their game during election, and try to stick to it. Please announce this in accordance with GMT (a good base time to go off) and CST (DD's clock). (Please double check to make sure you are saying the right time if neither of these are your time zone.)
* GM candidates do not vote for themselves. This is to be automatically assumed unless otherwise notified.

Running a game

* The GM must maintain an accurate count of who is dead/alive and the number of roles left.
* Clues for the game must be gender neutral or masculine due to the fact that there is a very small female population for the game.
* GMs may accept requests for narrations, but they cannot be harmful to other players.
* The GM must have a rule about inactivity. Inactive players cause the game to drag on.
* The usual for clues to point to is anything on the profile page, the first 5 pages of comics, usernames, avatars, or signatures. Sometimes clues are based on what is said during the game, but usually only used as a last resort. It would be helpful for the GM to notify the players where clues come from, though not required.

Player Rules

Rules to Roles

* The Pardoner cannot pardon himself.
* Paramedics cannot protect each other, themselves, or the bodyguards.
* The Detective can only see the alignment of someone he investigates (Pro-Town or Anti-Town) though the godfather is immune to this.
* The Detective can investigate the Mayor or the Pardoner. (not both)
* The godfather's horsehead ability cannot cancel out reflexive roles (such as paranoid killing or veteran's second night life) or the abilities that come with being mayor (declaring double lynch and getting two votes in a lynch)
* (Unresolved issue) Different things have happened when the mad bomber/godfather go after the paranoid. In some versions the paranoid reacts, but in some they do not. I believe that there should either be a standard, or the GM be specific about what could happen if a bomb/horsehead was planted on the paranoid.

Disambiguation of Deadtalking

* Deadtalking - intentionally or accidently sharing viable information once dead (through PQ or on the thread) (NOT ALLOWED) Player will be warned at the first occurrence of deadtalking. Excessive dead talking can result in being banned from the game.
* From the Beyond Talking - Posting on the thread after death, but not about viable information. Usually just picking up on whatever conversation is going on in the game or “AVENGE ME.” (Allowed)
* Tombstone Talking - When you send a dead player a “sorry I killed you” PQ. This is only not allowed if you were the one killed by the unknowing paranoid. (Allowed within reason)

Betrayal Disambiguation

(This is taken care of on a case by case basis by the GM since the only thing in this list that is expressly not allowed is team killing)

* Teamkilling – Since the mafia knows exactly who everyone is. There shouldn’t be any reason for a team kill. As a team they must work together. (No matter how stilted the numbers are or how much they want to make the game “more interesting”) (Only the Godfather is allowed to teamkill but it is the GM must allow for it within the role rules.)
* Betrayal – Giving up roles and names to mayor. In this case, the mayor may know all the mafia members, but the mafia cannot kill their own players. It takes longer than if there was teamkilling.
* Loose Tongue – When the mafia is low in numbers, they do sometimes try to recruit a townie to help them. But townies sometimes use this knowledge to eradicate the mafia.
* Social Loafing – Mafia member just doesn’t do anything. They aren’t helping either side.


(This is not complete, just a first draft)
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While some of these rules are good and solid rules that we should take heed to, others are only good guidelines. They shouldn't be 100% enforced but more left up to the discression of the current GM. If he happen to aggree with everything that's written here, then more power to him. However, he's free to make up his own spin of rules but it's prefered that he lets his players know about any rule changes.
  
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Vakanai at 7:43PM, March 11, 2009
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Oh, I also move to make a new rule: Anyone who signs up for a game but doesn't participate is barred from playing the next game.
Hence, for game four moogles and peipei will not be allowed, but they can join game five.
If you sign up and fail to participate a third time, you should be banned from all mafia games for a year.
Thus we will cut back on dead weight.
It should probably be put to a vote, but that's my idea on the subject.
Edit: ‘Third time’ is not a mistake. I believe in the three strikes you're out rule.

Yay cut and paste!
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Dukat at 7:58PM, March 11, 2009
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I sort of like that idea Vak, but only the current game mod would know when someone is killed for inactivity. And it can be unfair to people, things happen in life that can prevent you from being able to sign on for extended periods of time. The mafia games here can go pretty quickly, so even a week or so can be hard. I think an addendum could be made to the proposal that under extenuating circumstances an inactive player would be allowed to return.
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Niccea at 8:10PM, March 11, 2009
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Yeah. I just made the ejection of inactivity rule mainly because it held up progress in the first game. If people told me what is up on time, I kept them in. Peipei was another matter. They were sending in hits from the very first minute of the game and clearly couldn't be bothered to look at the game.

Should I move my list of GM interested people over here?
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Dukat at 8:17PM, March 11, 2009
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Should I move my list of GM interested people over here?
It already is. It's in my signature.
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Niccea at 8:27PM, March 11, 2009
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Niccea
Should I move my list of GM interested people over here?
It already is. It's in my signature.
So that is what you meant. Groovy.
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Vakanai at 8:31PM, March 11, 2009
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I sort of like that idea Vak, but only the current game mod would know when someone is killed for inactivity.
She kind of made it public. Plus I figured we would pass the information on to the next game mod and so on.

Someone
And it can be unfair to people, things happen in life that can prevent you from being able to sign on for extended periods of time.

Hence the three strikes rule. If you are so busy that you can't play in three games you sign up for, you shouldn't sign up for them.
As for missing just one game and wanting to play the next game, we can make exceptions if given a just reason to. But the privilege should not be abused. You get one exception.

Someone
The mafia games here can go pretty quickly, so even a week or so can be hard. I think an addendum could be made to the proposal that under extenuating circumstances an inactive player would be allowed to return.
You read my mind.
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Dukat at 9:30PM, March 11, 2009
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She kind of made it public. Plus I figured we would pass the information on to the next game mod and so on.


Hence the three strikes rule. If you are so busy that you can't play in three games you sign up for, you shouldn't sign up for them.
As for missing just one game and wanting to play the next game, we can make exceptions if given a just reason to. But the privilege should not be abused. You get one exception.


You read my mind.

*Quote trees start to annoy me*

Certainly if the mod is willing to make “death by inactivity” public then no problem. And obviously if someone doesn't play in multiple games they should really ask themselves, why do they keep signing up. I don't draw a comic myself, but I do understand that it can be a lot of work to keep a comic updated, but if that's too much for you to keep up with plus play in the game, don't play.

And I am psychotic…dangit did it again; … Psychic.
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Hakoshen at 9:50PM, March 11, 2009
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I notice my name's not on that list anywhere.
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Dukat at 10:18PM, March 11, 2009
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I notice my name's not on that list anywhere.

Oh really? Maybe you just missed yourself. :P
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Niccea at 6:18AM, March 12, 2009
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I notice my name's not on that list anywhere.
YOu never claimed Dibs.
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Hakoshen at 6:38AM, March 12, 2009
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Hakoshen
I notice my name's not on that list anywhere.
YOu never claimed Dibs.

http://www.drunkduck.com/community/view_topic.php?cid=243&tid=47109&p=2


And I see it on there now. In last place. But whatever; nine is a cooler number than five anyways.
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Niccea at 6:52AM, March 12, 2009
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I guess that makes you one a head of Ody then. Since all the others called their dibs before then. (Even Martinlo. He originally tried to get game 2.)

Also, I had a theme idea, but I just never acted on it. I posted it before. Reverse Mafia.
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Hakoshen at 8:37AM, March 12, 2009
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Reverse Mafia.

Is that like, mafia trying to root out detectives/snitches? Interesting…
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Niccea at 9:42AM, March 12, 2009
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Niccea
Reverse Mafia.

Is that like, mafia trying to root out detectives/snitches? Interesting…
Yeah.
I made a role post for it in the original game…might be able to find it with time. Which I don't have today.
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Skullbie at 9:49AM, March 12, 2009
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Reverse mafia sounds pretty cool
 
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Niccea at 10:10AM, March 12, 2009
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Found It!

Instead of a town with a few mafia members. You are a mafia with some double agents (or rats) in it. The mafia tries to flush out the rats and and the double agents try to drag the mafia apart from the inside.

Role changes: What they do doesn't change much, but the names do.

Mayor = Godfather
Pardoner = Second in Command
Bodyguards
Vigilante = Don't know what to call 'im yet
Paramedics = Dunno.
Veteran = Made Men
Paranoid = could be the same or he could be that one guy hyped up on drugs.
Detective = Guess you could call him a rat too of a different variety

Godfather = Agent Leader
Mad Hatter = Demolitions man
Mafias = Agents
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Hakoshen at 10:56AM, March 12, 2009
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Ooh, the godfather should have an ability called “the kiss of death” where he yells “I KNOW IT WAS YOU!!” before he shoots you as an alternate to a double lynch. Sorry, it's lunch time and my mind is wandering.
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I'm the enemy he requires to define him.
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Niccea at 11:22AM, March 12, 2009
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Guess you would call converted mafia turncoats.
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the2ndredbaron at 3:47PM, March 12, 2009
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I just want the new game to start, being the first one out sucks.
 
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Niccea at 3:49PM, March 12, 2009
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I just want the new game to start, being the first one out sucks.
I think you are next in line to run unless you want to switch with Vak. I don't think LoS will be running a game.
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Niccea at 6:37PM, March 12, 2009
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Sorry for doubling, but since I am on a new subject, I'm making a new post.

After running this game and talking to Dukat, I've come to the conclusion that townie conversion is too much of a hassle to deal with. I would recommend against using it again.
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Hakoshen at 7:49PM, March 12, 2009
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I think mine would be ninjas vs pirates after all.
God needed the Devil, the Beatles needed the Rolling Stones, Hakoshen needs me.
I'm the enemy he requires to define him.
Soon or later, he'll bring me back to life again for another epic encounter of shouting about power levels and grimacing.
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Dukat at 7:53PM, March 12, 2009
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I think mine would be ninjas vs pirates after all.
Dibs on the Navy SEAL role!
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Niccea at 8:01PM, March 12, 2009
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Aaaaaargh…
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the2ndredbaron at 11:55PM, March 12, 2009
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Really Niccea, well is the current game winding down? If it is I will start a sign up thread for the new game.
 
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crocty at 1:00AM, March 13, 2009
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Clues shouldn't be based on comics…I mean, maybe comic titles, but I'm not reading everyone's comic to find out the serial killer. ):
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Dukat at 1:54AM, March 13, 2009
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Clues shouldn't be based on comics…I mean, maybe comic titles, but I'm not reading everyone's comic to find out the serial killer. ):
Plus not everyone has a comic. *waves arms around* So it's not really fair to use the content of the comics. Sure, titles and descriptions are fine, but not content.
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Hakoshen at 4:39AM, March 13, 2009
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Plus not everyone has a comic. *waves arms around* So it's not really fair to use the content of the comics. Sure, titles and descriptions are fine, but not content.


Yeah, when I went on my sleuthing spree, I ended up reading about 300 pages worth of comics.

Not a bad way to spend a night, but still, I skipped a good 300 MORE pages. I say if we do use comic pages, we limit ourselves to the first five pages.
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I'm the enemy he requires to define him.
Soon or later, he'll bring me back to life again for another epic encounter of shouting about power levels and grimacing.
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Niccea at 6:28AM, March 13, 2009
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I didn't use the inner workings of comics for my clues. Mainly just titles and avatars. Now in Ag's clues there were a few things that delved into his comic, but it was about his general art style which can be seen from a glance on his profile page.

I personally think that the voting should be private.
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