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SeriousQuiche at 9:42PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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Yay!

Elections are over! No more campaign ads! The news people can go back to covering drunk, pregnant teenage singers and whatnot!

I shan't celebrate for the victor until I see good made on campaign promises. ;) However, I am VERY glad that the election is over. I seriously hate all the campaign crap.

I agree. with both statements. I'm a little concerned about the economy, but I would have been concerned either way.

BUT LET US DRINK TO NO MORE CAMPAIGN ADS!
*FREE BEER FOR ALL*

except you…you know who you are.
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Warpedwenger at 9:44PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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except you…you know who you are.
D: DAMN!
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lefarce at 9:50PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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I'm sorry you don't recognize the two completely different campaign tactics that were used, and that you think they were the same. But you're wrong.

I don't think Obama is the messiah anymore than I think McCain is satan. I don't even believe McCain would have been all bad. I loved McCain in 2000. But he ran a dirty, desparate campaign to win at all costs.

Sorry. Deal with it.

How?

How are they any different. This whole election the Democratic party built up their persecution complex. Oh no, the mean old Republicans are hate mongering comic book villains.

And here come the Republicans! Grrr those Democrats are just a bunch of girls! They aren't fit for war!

It's “fuck you” vs. “poor me”. It's the same evil when all is said and done.

Of course lets not forget the Ron Paul camp (while I'm doing impressiongs). Dude like there is totally this guy who wants to, get this, LEGALIZE POT! Think green, broskie! HIGH FIVE!

EDIT: But I'm not going to throw this thread into another senseless fight between SpANG and I. I think this is a step in the right direction, and its the outcome I wanted from this election. Bravo to Obama and all those who voted for him. Now we need to give it time, step back, and see how history unfolds. Because right now, none of us really know.

 
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Blues at 10:20PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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The only real change that obama is bringing so far is you guys decided to have a change from having whitey running the country to a black guy
theres this girl i know, she's a lovely person and all, but she's absolutely obsessed with me… she speaks to me on msn every day and says she loves me and wants to be with me forever, all that shit, theres just one problam…
she's my cousin
and i dunno what to do… she's 100% serious
apparently (according to my mother) she spoke to my mother and asked if it was okay… my mum then proceeded to come in and say “go for it”
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plab at 11:04PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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Now we need to give it time, step back, and see how history unfolds. Because right now, none of us really know.

Oh so you just ASSUME that Nostradamus doesn't know, eh? I'm appalled at the lack of respect for him these days.
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Hawk at 11:08PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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Hey, does anyone remember four years ago on this message board when people were threatening to move out of the country? Boy did we have some upset people back then.

SpANG
Wow… Did you guys even see the McCain/Palin campaign? Maybe since I was in a battleground state I saw more negative, untrue, personal attacks than you.

Hawk
I don't know if that's fair to claim that. I've noticed you actually mischaracterize McCain supporters a lot.
I think it was pretty clear that I was talking not about ALL McCain supporters, but about the “BOOO” people. McCain's ads instilled fear of a muslim, Kenyan, Marxist terrorist that will ruin America. And they still believe it.

Sure some people were gracious… and yes, McCain was gracious. Tonight.

Okay, I guess I understand what you're meaning now.

To tell you the honest truth I don't think I saw a single TV ad from either of them. Crazy, huh? It's probably because what little TV I watched was not likely channels to get voters. I did see a few spin-filled ads for both candidates that were funded by ambiguous groups (like “Freedom for Ameria Council”, or something). You probably have a point there about being in a battleground state. I've only ever lived in states that presidential candidates don't care about.

By the way, Obama's speech was nice, too. It's good to see some friendliness, even though it's a bit easier to be a gracious winner. I just like that both these guys can finally take off the boxing gloves and pat each other on the backs. I hope voters can do the same thing, in contrast to all the outrage and bellyaching we had last election.
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ozoneocean at 11:19PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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Hey, does anyone remember four years ago on this message board when people were threatening to move out of the country? Boy did we have some upset people back then.
To be fair Hawk, that wasn't just about the result of the election, but the fact that things would continue down the bad road that they'd been going… -as we clearly saw that they did. lol!
-War, taking away people's freedoms, irresponsible spending… it got worse, just the way everyone knew it would.
But with the financial problems; worse than they feared.
 
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mlai at 11:51PM, Nov. 4, 2008
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Wow, a half-black dude whose name is Barak Hussein Obama, whose father is black and not American (was he even Christian?), who smoked weed when he was young… this guy became the President of the USA by a wide margin.

If GW wasn't president for the past 8 years, this idealistic backlash never would have happened. Heheh, the Hard Right so deserve this. They must all be having a collective aneurysm.

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“Hawk” Said:
Hey, does anyone remember four years ago on this message board when people were threatening to move out of the country? Boy did we have some upset people back then.
And anyone of them who actually followed through would now be glad they did, cuz they sold their houses before it became worthless to do so.

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Willicus at 12:03AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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Just to reiterate, I prefer the monarchy over democracy.
There's so much debate and arguement and dirty campaigning in democracy.
In monarchy, the leader is born and bred to be a leader.
You're pretty much skipping the voting and going directly to the complaining.
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skoolmunkee at 2:55AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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Hey, does anyone remember four years ago on this message board when people were threatening to move out of the country? Boy did we have some upset people back then.

Haha, I moved out! Although not because of politics. Although I'll admit it's been a relief to be a bit disassociated from the last 4 years.

I'm still mourning the loss of Al Gore as a president, he's an incredibly capable guy and the last 8 years would have been vastly different. I don't think Obama's going to address many of the things I wish were fixed, but he's certainly the better choice. It's pretty cool America has a black president too, but to me that was only a sideline.

More importantly I think, his election (like his whole campaign) has filled millions of people with hope and the determination to make a change. Even if he turns out to be not the greatest president, it's pretty amazing how inspirational he was as a candidate, how passionate regular folks got about him, and how many of them finally came out to vote. It's really good to see people care so much about politics and have an effect on them.
  IT'S OLD BATMAN
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lothar at 4:43AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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thanks ! i was looking for that picture . i'm gunna make it my desktop BG !


OBAMA !!!!!!!!! yay !!!!


Hawk
Hey, does anyone remember four years ago on this message board when people were threatening to move out of the country? Boy did we have some upset people back then.

LOL i moved out 2 !!! right after that election

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lastcall at 4:52AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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McCain's ads instilled fear of a muslim, Kenyan, Marxist terrorist that will ruin America. And they still believe it.

Yeah my coworker, who is a dumbass know-it-all, was yelling at people who said they were going to vote for Obama. He yelled, “Don't you know he's 100% socialist? You're voting for socialism!”

I don't think he knew what socialism meant, or he heard that word in a McCain ad and thought “Well, that's bad.” …Because according to Wiki:

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.

….And what's so wrong about that? Sounds like a great concept to me.

mlai
Wow, a half-black dude whose name is Barak Hussein Obama, whose father is black and not American (was he even Christian?), who smoked weed when he was young… this guy became the President of the USA by a wide margin.

Who cares if his father was Christian or not? It's not like it's mandatory to have a Christian as a president. And hey, at least he was honest when he said he smoked in high school. Most politicians adamantly deny it, and slap a car salesman smile on their face while doing it.
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harkovast at 4:53AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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That black panther arguing with the fox news guy looks like a white dude.
Fox news-
WE REPORT!
RUPERT MURDOCK DECIDES!

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Willicus at 4:59AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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I noticed that as well, Hark, and I am just as confused as you.
If not more so.
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Skullbie at 7:15AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.

….And what's so wrong about that? Sounds like a great concept to me.

That's what the filthy Commies want you to believe.
 
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usedbooks at 7:18AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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Hawk
Hey, does anyone remember four years ago on this message board when people were threatening to move out of the country? Boy did we have some upset people back then.

Haha, I moved out! Although not because of politics. Although I'll admit it's been a relief to be a bit disassociated from the last 4 years.
Lol. My sister “fled” to Japan last year, but it had nothing (directly) to do with politics. She needed a job and the one she found was in Japan. I'm still here … unemployed.

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kingofsnake at 7:42AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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I'm happy Obama won. Also I'm happy with McCain's concession speech. He didn't need to call for his base to support Obama, he could've just said “Thanks for the support; congratulations Obama.” But I he spent alot of time in his speech trying to convince people that they should give the support they would've given him to the new president. And the thing is, thats the McCain I remember from before the campaign.

When McCain won the nomination all the pundits said he had to appeal to his base because he was too independent. And thats what he did, he totally worked really hard to appeal to the republican base, and so you suddenly saw him taking all these positions that he never really beleived in before, and he just became a worse candidite because of it. I had to remind myself going into this that I actually like John McCain, all the far right positions he was taking and all the really blatant attack adds he was running really made me kind of rue a McCain presidency. But when the nominations were first announced I was really happy because it was win-win for me. I would be happy with either candidite. His campaign was just terrible, it turned Mccain into something I hated, when I knew he really wasn't. A John McCain presidency would've been really different than a Bush presidency. I would've voted him over Gore in 2000, and I'm confident that we'd be in a much better position than we are now.

Anyway, I'm happy Obama won. Good for him!
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kyupol at 7:46AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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Obama will be hated in a couple of years. Just like Bush. Why?

Civilian National Security Force
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html

Attacking Pakistan (anti-war my ass)
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/remarks_of_senator_obama_the_w_1.php

He supported the banker bailout.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/29991399.html

Obama is a gun grabber. Just like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and other dictators
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm


All the “change” he is talking about is very minimal. Just because he is young and black, he is apparently different from the old and white. And he is “democrat” and not “republican”. lol!


NOW UPDATING!!!
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kingofsnake at 8:05AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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Its pretty short-sighted to think that a president's approval ratings are based only on his policies. It's about competancy and leadership. Regan and Clinton both had great approval ratings even though they had completely different policies. Even people who hate Clinton for ethical and political reasons generally are willing to admit that he is an extremely competant leader.

Dubbya is not, and thats why people hate him.

Obama will have to do more than have unpopular policies to become hated. It doesn't matter how unpopular his individual policies may intially be, if they show positive results people will like him.
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usedbooks at 8:22AM, Nov. 5, 2008
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When McCain won the nomination all the pundits said he had to appeal to his base because he was too independent. And thats what he did, he totally worked really hard to appeal to the republican base, and so you suddenly saw him taking all these positions that he never really beleived in before, and he just because a worse candidite because of it. I had to remind myself going into this that I actually like John McCain, all the far right positions he was taking and all the really blatant attack adds he was running really made me kind of rue a McCain presidency. But when the nominations were first announced I was really happy because it was win-win for me. I would be happy with either candidite. His campaign was just terrible, it turned Mccain into something I hated, when I knew he really wasn't. A John McCain presidency would've been really different than a Bush presidency. I would've voted him over Gore in 2000, and I'm confident that we'd be in a much better position than we are now.
I felt that way too! It's so weird. I liked both these guys, but each attack ad made me start to loathe them (not the opponent – the one running the ad). That's probably way I hate the campaign crap SO much. In the beginning, I liked them both a lot, but as time wore on, it became painful to watch a candidate take aim against his opponent and then shoot himself in the foot.

But, big picture is that I think either could be a great leader despite their campaign tactics. I'm happy the campaign crap is over, and time will tell if Obama is a good, great, bad, or dismal leader.
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SpANG at 1:54PM, Nov. 5, 2008
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I hope he puts solar panels BACK on the white house.
“To a rational mind, nothing is inexplicable. Only unexplained.”
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lastcall at 4:45AM, Nov. 6, 2008
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I'm happy Obama won. Also I'm happy with McCain's concession speech. He didn't need to call for his base to support Obama, he could've just said “Thanks for the support; congratulations Obama.” But I he spent alot of time in his speech trying to convince people that they should give the support they would've given him to the new president. And the thing is, thats the McCain I remember from before the campaign.

That's exactly what my husband said–he watched McCain's speech and said that he was actually himself for once. Pretty much why I didn't vote for him–he felt dishonest with that “car salesman smile”, and I'm tired of presidents like that. I like Obama because he's honest & inspiring, which is what we need right now. I just hope he doesn't turn into a dishonest fake during his presidency. That would be sad.
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lothar at 6:48AM, Nov. 6, 2008
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I hope he puts solar panels BACK on the white house.

Yea ! that would be cool , what is it , 28 years later ?!
and in space , i hope he gets a program started to build space based solar power plants that can beam the energy to the Earth for everyone to use unstead of oil .
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Inkmonkey at 11:31AM, Nov. 6, 2008
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Wow, a half-black dude whose name is Barak Hussein Obama, whose father is black and not American (was he even Christian?), who smoked weed when he was young… this guy became the President of the USA by a wide margin.

Who cares if his father was Christian or not? It's not like it's mandatory to have a Christian as a president. And hey, at least he was honest when he said he smoked in high school. Most politicians adamantly deny it, and slap a car salesman smile on their face while doing it.

I think it's not so much a case that he should be Christian, it's just that it's surprising considering how the odds are stacked against him with just these simple facts. Personally, I'm shocked he even got the democratic nomination just with his name. I had assumed there were a lot more Americans who wouldn't give him the time a day just because his last name rhymed with “Osama”, let alone his middle name actually is “Hussein”.



Also, Kyupol: “Perspective” isn't just an art term.
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Skullbie at 4:27PM, Nov. 6, 2008
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SpANG at 6:29PM, Nov. 6, 2008
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Another person confused that there can be no distinction between “love for one's country” and “being critical of government”.
“To a rational mind, nothing is inexplicable. Only unexplained.”
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Terminal at 6:46PM, Nov. 6, 2008
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and nothing of value was said nor discussed in this thread
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Faliat at 3:25PM, Nov. 7, 2008
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Pity Issac Hayes and Bernie Mac didn't live to see it…


Just had to say…

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

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harkovast at 6:06AM, Nov. 8, 2008
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Obama will be an improvement.
I can say that with reasonable confidence because it is hard to come up an idea of how a president could do much worse then Bush.
Wars all over the place, economy in shambles, unable to string a sentance together, popularity at around 26% etc etc.
Unless Obama drops a nuke or lets army of white guys who are in the black panthers take over america, he would have to work really hard to make things go down hill any more.
I've read posts on forums saying things like-
“You like Obama now but just wait till you lose your job and small businesses are closing down!”
I was under the impression that is what is happening now, so if that happens under Obama it would still mean Obama has not made things worse, just kept them exactly the same.
The bar is so low now, it will take a hell of a man to screw things up worse (famous last words).
Also, as a non-american, I want to feel like we can all be friends with america again and all rally behind them, rather then having to condemn the endless string of screw ups and abuses (I wont list em all, we've all heard it before!)
Remember just after 9/11? When everyone was supporting america and saying “we're all americans now” etc. Can we get back to that some how? I liked that!

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Inkmonkey at 9:15AM, Nov. 8, 2008
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Remember just after 9/11? When everyone was supporting america and saying “we're all americans now” etc. Can we get back to that some how? I liked that!

Well, we could always have another national tragedy claiming the lives of 1000's of Americans if that's what's important to you.

Ah, sorry about that. I know you didn't mean anything by that, it was just too good to pass up.
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