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Ghost Recon and what's happening in Georgia...
kyupol at 7:03PM, Aug. 15, 2008
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Now I wonder about Tom Clancy. How did he know this?
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Inkmonkey at 7:47PM, Aug. 15, 2008
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I have to ask, Kyupol… do you really think there's any significance to half the things you post about, or do you just find the concepts entertaining?
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JoeL_CQB at 7:48PM, Aug. 15, 2008
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odd. I guess it was a coincident.

Unless you suspect Tom Clancy was an inside man. :/
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Puff_Of_Smoke at 7:58PM, Aug. 15, 2008
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Tom Clancy is one of your reptoids.
I
I have a gun. It's really powerful. Especially against living things.
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bravo1102 at 7:19AM, Aug. 16, 2008
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Since he guessed so correctly by doing simple research on The Hunt for Red OctoberTom Clancy has built up a friendship networking with the guys on the inside who know about this stuff.

Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine are all realistic scenarios and SF are out there where the rubber hits the road and have been for decades. (1980s Central America, 1990s Middle east, Eastern Europe etc.)

Where have you been?

You really should read some of his books sometime rather than looking for reptoids under your bed. He knows what's going on as do some of us who bother to read FYEO and Jane's.

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kyupol at 2:48PM, Aug. 16, 2008
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I've actually read some of his books.
Patriot Games, Bear and the Dragon, Without Remorse to name a few.

Either he's an agent or he just researched this thoroughly. God knows.

But its still disturbing seeing a video game parallel an actual event. Its still disturbing seeing a video game made in 2002 predict an event in 2008.
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Puff_Of_Smoke at 3:39PM, Aug. 16, 2008
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Its still disturbing seeing a video game made in 2002 predict an event in 2008.
It was bound to happen.
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I have a gun. It's really powerful. Especially against living things.
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Fenn at 1:40AM, Aug. 17, 2008
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Either he's an agent or he just researched this thoroughly.
There's your answer right there. He's a writer… that's his job. He's well known for being one of the most meticulous researchers in modern literature.

kyupol
But its still disturbing seeing a video game parallel an actual event. Its still disturbing seeing a video game made in 2002 predict an event in 2008.
You seem to be easily disturbed. Perhaps you should withdraw from all contact with the outside world.
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kyupol at 3:19PM, Aug. 21, 2008
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Fenn - perhaps you should just stick your head in the sand and pretend nothing is going on.
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HippieVan at 6:17PM, Aug. 21, 2008
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Either he's an agent or he just researched this thoroughly. God knows.

Hmm, I wonder which one it is(hint: let's apply Ockham's razor to this for once).
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ozoneocean at 7:36PM, Aug. 21, 2008
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Hmm, I wonder which one it is(hint: let's apply Ockham's razor to this for once).
Yep; he's not only an agent, but a space alien with future knowledge! ;)
Yep, simple research. Simple common, general knowledge really.

The funniest thing about the idea that “more is going on here” is that it is, but it has nothing to do with hack novelists, or even Russia's great ambitions. ANYONE who's been following what the U.S. and NATO have been doing in the region for the last decade or more would realise it's all part of that- With a missile defence program encircling Russia from all sides, their former allies and territories being seduced to NATO and the EU, oil and gas pipelines bypassing them, U.S. forces occupying old Soviet bases for use in various operations…

It's all an attempt to marginalise the once great and still super-powerful Russian bear. Georgia thought it had the backing to take those cities; it thought wrong. Russia will pull back in the end… if the Bush idiots and rightwing elements in the EU don't mess things up with their bellicose threats and rhetoric. -_-
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After this, Georgia will have their current fighting power reduced considerably. But the U.S. will offer them discount military aid and NATO will set up some special defence deal with them. THAT will heighten tensions badly with Russia.
 
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bravo1102 at 11:37AM, Aug. 22, 2008
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Contrary to popular belief the USA supplied training (with Israel)not equipment.

All the equipment is from the former Warsaw Pact because those nations like the idea of a former Soviet Republic standing up to Imperial Russia. (This is from all those military sites who are following the equipment used including minutae about the tanks and other AFVs)

Russia has always had a serious self-esteem problem when it comes to being a player in Europe. They always feel surrounded. Russians have to show that they must be taken seriously. Which is one reason why they have always been expansionist.

Any area on the border of Russia belongs to Russia and only remains independent by the benevolence of Mother Russia. The pattern of Russia beating up on any neighbor for any reason (no matter how good or bad because the other side always started it, not Mother Russia and Mother Russia only intervenes to help its neighbors) has been going on since the Kievan Rus attacked the Byzantines.

Nations should not go around invading other nations in the 21st Century whether it's over a puny stockpile of nearly unusable WMDs or some cities that have been in contention since Georgia was annexed.

What's going on now among the member nations of NATO and Russia to me is as foolish as another time Europe got upset about Russian Imperialism and decided to invade the Crimea.
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ozoneocean at 8:21PM, Aug. 22, 2008
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The Georgia “invasion” is a propaganda beat up by the Georgian government. And quite laughable.

Russia could very easily invade and take Georgia if that was their intention, but they know that would completely isolate them and they're not prepared to invest the men and equipment in such a foolish venture. Too bill this as an invasion, like The U.S. invasion of Iraq is an amazing misinterpretation… extremely optimistic. This was punitive and amazingly limited.
This wasn't about a “city in contention”, this was in RESPONSE to an attack on Russian peacekeepers and civilians on South Ossteia. ;)

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You can see the bias more clearly when we compare it to other situations: about a year or two ago one or two Israeli soldiers where kidnapped by the terrorist group Hesbolah on the Lebanon border with Israel, Hesbolah also fired some amazingly ineffective Kassan rockets over the border (they almost never hit anything). Israel responded by a massed attack on the country of Lebanon, decimating that country's infrastructure- bridges roads, factories, airports. Shelling and carpet bombing mercilessly, killing thousands of innocent, uninvolved civilians, this went on almost without a stop for weeks. The western leaning government was appalled and asked the world for help. None was forthcoming, Israel received the most mild rebukes and all calls for censure were VETOed by the U.S.
When Israel finally agreed to stop. They finished off with another massive assault right up to and just after their ceasefire.
And no calls from the U.S. or NATO not to be naughty…

So let's just have a sense of perspective shall we? :)
Forget about this “evil Russia”, “good west” scenario, eh? They're all bad guys when it suits them and not ONE of them has any moral high ground or ethical superiority.

You have to realise that world opinion here has been turned against Russia by old cold war and pre cold war bias, as well as fanciful cry wolf claims by the rightwing nationalist Georgian president. The countries most behind Georgia are the ones who have the most to get out of the deal by backing them, and also rightwing: The United states, and the other chief NATO member France who wants Georgia's energy as well as their membership in their defence alliance.
This isn't some clever conspiracy here, just wilful blindness and prejudice against the one who "isn't our sort of people"
 
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bravo1102 at 11:35AM, Aug. 23, 2008
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I'm not calling Russia, good, bad or indifferent. Just the guy with the gun.

Having a few peacekeepers shot at is not a reason to send thousands of troops and tanks into another country especially one that used to belong to the first country lock, stock and smoking barrel and whose ethnic identity was stifled and even at one point outlawed. Israel is a lot nicer to the Palestinians than Russia has been to Georgia and the Palestinians are a lot nicer to Israelis than Russians have been to Georgians.

Israel is fighting for her life. (just ask any Israeli) I don't see Georgia's less than 100 tanks and glorified police department as a threat to Mother Russia. (just ask any Georgian) This depiction of Russia as the evil despotic imperial power goes back to the Tsars, even before that to the Grand Dukes of Kiev and Princes of Muskovy long before Lenin, Stalin or Marx and to a European isn't so much about the Cold war as about Russia always stomping over all her neighbors whenever she can. (Just ask any Pole, Georgian, Ukrainian, Kazak etc…) Russia has done this for so long that anything she does is automatically wrong. But Russia isn't evil, just concerned with her borders, which are HUGE. They have such a bad rep even when they are doing the right thing, they are seen to be doing the wrong thing. They've done wrong once too often for anyone to believe they're ever in the right.

Of course this is being blown out of proportion just like Russia's attack on Turkey in the 1850s. This time Russia is backing down because there is an alliance on her western border many of whose members have a grudge against Russia and the Russians for the crimes of the Soviet Union and earlier. It doesn't matter if what Russia is doing is defensive or offensive. She's the bad guy because the rest of Europe has a long memory. You're trying to use logic in the very human responses of various nationalities. Logic doesn't apply. Russia has done the wrong thing for so long it no longer matters, she is always wrong.

Remember what the Polish general said. When asked who he would attack first if faced with Germans and Russians, the Pole answered; “The Germans first, business before pleasure.” The Georgians feel the same way.

That's the perspective.
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ozoneocean at 1:19PM, Aug. 23, 2008
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Israel was in no way fighting for it's life against Lebanon. That was hitting an utterly defenceless country with all they had because they could.
You think a handful of Hesbolah with Kassan rockets were worth the deaths of thousands and the destruction of billions of dollars in infrastructure of a country that is itself held hostage by them?
Just goes to show bias and misunderstanding yet again.

In South Ostetia there weren't just a “a few peacekeepers shot”; the civilian cities were shelled indiscriminatingly. Forget this rubbish about old wounds and deal with what actually happened here and now. Those are living, breathing people going about their daily lives and some nationalist warmonger thinks he has the backing to exterminate them… And you think that's justified based on what happened 100 years ago?
Please

If anything, NATO's pressure only caused this thing to be worse lol
Number 1: Georgia wouldn't have tried to ethnically cleanse their trouble areas in the first place without the tacit support.
Number 2: If the Georgains had been encouraged to back down as well straight after and US and France had been even handed instead of 100% behind the ones that stated this mess, it would have been easier to solve faster and more amicably. As it is, Russia NEEDS troops there because with such strong backing from France, the U.K. and U.S. as well as the rest of the NATO alliance, they know Georgia will try again as soon as they are able.
 
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