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Gold is worthless.
kyupol at 8:48AM, Nov. 13, 2009
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lol He should sell that to me!!!

Anyway, its sad how people are so brain-dead that they don't know anything about the real value of money.

Cash = paper

Paper or gold? What is more valuable?
NOW UPDATING!!!
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ipokino at 9:09AM, Nov. 13, 2009
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Cash does not = paper or gold. Cash is actually based on the measure of human time expended. The worth of that time is arbitrarily set, and is symbolized with a bit of paper or coinage. The only commodity that actually has any true value to a human being is their time–how they use it and how much of it they are willing to spend to accumulate goods and services, or spend on housing and food. Many societies never developed a system of monetization because their environment provided them everything needed to live comfortably (the Yanamamo in the Amazon and the Fuji Islanders in Oceana to name a couple). As living has grown complicated and ‘needs’ have increased…a sophisticated system of accounting for time (ie money) had to be put into place.
Economically speaking, even national wealth and economic growth can be tied into ‘human time’ (productivity ect) and our Social Security System is based on population growth to continually advance the human time output to non-productives (retired folk) and the breakdown of the system currently being felt is the fact that population no longer is growing fast enough to provide for non-productives.
Gold, smold–couldn't care less for a bit of shiny metal…
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lothar at 9:36AM, Nov. 13, 2009
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this guy is the real moron
first of all he's got a cameraman following him around and these people are prolly all coming back from the beach and mostly just dont wanna be bothered and filmed .
second , if some dipshit like this came up and offered me some “pure gold” for fifty bucks , my first instinct would be that it was fake
third , he prolly edited out anyone that actually took him up in the offer
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Inkmonkey at 11:18AM, Nov. 13, 2009
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this guy is the real moron
first of all he's got a cameraman following him around and these people are prolly all coming back from the beach and mostly just dont wanna be bothered and filmed .
second , if some dipshit like this came up and offered me some “pure gold” for fifty bucks , my first instinct would be that it was fake
third , he prolly edited out anyone that actually took him up in the offer


I have to agree. If some smug, douche-looking asshole came up and offered me what he claims is a gold coin for $50, and he had a camera crew with him, my first instinct would be to think that he's trying to scam me for some shitty reality show.

This doesn't say anything about how much people understand the value of gold. It's just proof that more people out there aren't willing to potentially throw the money they know is good away to the first jackass who comes along promising them riches for their investment. It doesn't help that this guy's an insufferable cock.

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Orin J Master at 11:38AM, Nov. 13, 2009
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i'd just say he's a dirty liar. if he actually had the coin i'd steal it.

also: love is more valuable.
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lba at 2:34PM, Nov. 13, 2009
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Cash does not = paper or gold. Cash is actually based on the measure of human time expended. The worth of that time is arbitrarily set, and is symbolized with a bit of paper or coinage. The only commodity that actually has any true value to a human being is their time–how they use it and how much of it they are willing to spend to accumulate goods and services, or spend on housing and food. Many societies never developed a system of monetization because their environment provided them everything needed to live comfortably (the Yanamamo in the Amazon and the Fuji Islanders in Oceana to name a couple). As living has grown complicated and ‘needs’ have increased…a sophisticated system of accounting for time (ie money) had to be put into place.
Economically speaking, even national wealth and economic growth can be tied into ‘human time’ (productivity ect) and our Social Security System is based on population growth to continually advance the human time output to non-productives (retired folk) and the breakdown of the system currently being felt is the fact that population no longer is growing fast enough to provide for non-productives.
Gold, smold–couldn't care less for a bit of shiny metal…

tl:dr version for the folks who I know still won't get it- a dollar is worth a dollar because people agree that it's worth a dollar for a bunch of random reasons.

I still can't decide if kyupol does it to bait people into reacting by making them think he's a self-deluded conspiratorial moron, and he's one of the best-researched, longest-running and most well-played trolls I've ever seen, or if he really does believe it all and he actually is the conspiracy nutcase he acts like.
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Inkmonkey at 7:36PM, Nov. 13, 2009
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I still can't decide if kyupol does it to bait people into reacting by making them think he's a self-deluded conspiratorial moron, and he's one of the best-researched, longest-running and most well-played trolls I've ever seen, or if he really does believe it all and he actually is the conspiracy nutcase he acts like.

As someone whose been on this site longer than Kyupol has, it's been going on for too long and too consistently for him to just be faking it. If he's a troll, then he's the most thorough troll that has ever been, with actual fairly little to show for it aside from annoying the five or six people who always point out the glaring flaws in his logic.
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ozoneocean at 8:55PM, Nov. 13, 2009
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As I said in the other thread: doubts about Kuypol? Do a Google and learn the truth!
lol!

I think the reason why people think he's a troll is because he posts a bunch of seemingly incendiary things that don't really seem to support one solid ideology.
-ie. they wouldn't think he was trolling if all his posts seem to have a clear point that he stuck to time and again. No one buys his “down with the system” theme and no one believes that HE believes all the stuff he makes posts about.

But that's because people don't get him.
Over he years Kyupol has been through a lot of changes, he wasn't always like he is now. These days his overall theme is just “the libertarian”. All these sorts of pots are meant to make you question the established rules of society and come over to his way of thinking.

But he's not advocating anything… He's just posting examples of how he thinks established society is bad and does things wrong in the hopes that some people will “wake up” to that fact and eventually turn to libertarianism too.

In that way, Kyu is a propagandist. THAT is his thing. And that is all these posts are: Libertarian propaganda.

Much like Pen and Teller's Bullshit in that way.
 
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Product Placement at 9:12PM, Nov. 13, 2009
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If a giant deuce like that would approach me with a camera and try to sell me a gold coin, while trying to control himself from giggling, I'd be skeptical too.

With that being said, I would have been tempted to buy the coin to give to my dad since he happens to be a coin collector. 50 bucks is not allot for a collective coin even if it turns out to be made from non precious metals.
Those were my two cents.
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lothar at 9:18PM, Nov. 13, 2009
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Kyupol is rite about the US dollar basically being crap
i wont be surprised to see hyperinflation in the coming years , a lot of people,much smarter than the guy in this video, have been predicting the dollars collapse for a while now . the signs are all there just like they were for the real estate collapse years before the bubble actually imploded .
although i think gold is prolly not the safe haven people want it to be . US gov wil prolly just seize all the gold from the consumers and make gold ownership illegal just like they did back in the 30s
gold is not where its at
knowlege, skills , friends, family ; those things will get you through the next great depression better than some yellow metal.
prolly wouldnt hurt to have some gold too , but you better also have a gun if you're going that route
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ozoneocean at 10:10PM, Nov. 13, 2009
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Ecconomics is where it's at ;)

That's the only reason anything is worth anything in the massive global system we live now- That's an environment where the the rather naive libertarian system would implode.

It's a utopian dream. Give it up. -_-
 
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lothar at 3:08AM, Nov. 14, 2009
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i dont think im a libertarian. im not even sure exactly what that is. i think im more of a socialist.
i was just saying how the US monetary system is set to implode on itself. the rest of the world will feel some pain from that. but the world will recover faster than the US. it could be pretty chaotic in america for a while. and in that kinda environment and with the gun to human ratio there; having a pile of gold in your basement will be more of a liability than anything else.
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ozoneocean at 3:39AM, Nov. 14, 2009
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i dont think im a libertarian. im not even sure exactly what that is. i think im more of a socialist.
Sorry Lothar, That part of my post was aimed at Kyu. :(
 
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Inkmonkey at 11:20AM, Nov. 14, 2009
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I was reading the comments to that, and of course most people came to the logical conclusion that maybe some people just don't trust a douche in an ugly shirt to really be willing to sell an $1100 coin for $50 without it being a scam.

One thing someone did mention, though, was that an actually quantifiable test would be simply to show people the coin and then ask them how much they think it's worth. It would prove largely the same point, but wouldn't be so ridiculously easy to pick apart or make the questioner look like such an insufferable douche.
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Pineapple at 3:58AM, Nov. 15, 2009
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I was reading the comments to that, and of course most people came to the logical conclusion that maybe some people just don't trust a douche in an ugly shirt to really be willing to sell an $1100 coin for $50 without it being a scam.

One thing someone did mention, though, was that an actually quantifiable test would be simply to show people the coin and then ask them how much they think it's worth. It would prove largely the same point, but wouldn't be so ridiculously easy to pick apart or make the questioner look like such an insufferable douche.

Closest guess gets the coin! Great show. Might want to chose a coin worth a little less though.
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worldwillshout at 7:58AM, Nov. 16, 2009
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This thread makes my head feel not so nice.
Cupcakes are the Devil!
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lba at 2:11PM, Nov. 16, 2009
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As someone whose been on this site longer than Kyupol has, it's been going on for too long and too consistently for him to just be faking it. If he's a troll, then he's the most thorough troll that has ever been, with actual fairly little to show for it aside from annoying the five or six people who always point out the glaring flaws in his logic.

I know, I've been here for about 2 years actively posting, but I still just can't help but shake the feeling for some reason. I guess I just find it hard to believe that there really are people that deluded out there.


I was kind of wondering how many other people just figured that a random docuhebag running up to you on the street with a gold coin means it's likely a scam. I mean, the thing I most associate with random douchebags running up to people, is Girls Gone Wild. And pretty much anything that reminds me of that is generally kinda shady.
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Orin J Master at 7:12PM, Nov. 16, 2009
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As someone whose been on this site longer than Kyupol has, it's been going on for too long and too consistently for him to just be faking it. If he's a troll, then he's the most thorough troll that has ever been, with actual fairly little to show for it aside from annoying the five or six people who always point out the glaring flaws in his logic.

I know, I've been here for about 2 years actively posting, but I still just can't help but shake the feeling for some reason. I guess I just find it hard to believe that there really are people that deluded out there.


I was kind of wondering how many other people just figured that a random docuhebag running up to you on the street with a gold coin means it's likely a scam. I mean, the thing I most associate with random douchebags running up to people, is Girls Gone Wild. And pretty much anything that reminds me of that is generally kinda shady.

I know trolling. Kyupol isn't a troll, he's a crackpot. he just thinks he's fighting some….oppression that only exists in his little skewed universe. i poke them once and a while, but i don't see what i'd gain in this case.

but yeah, most people offered a gold coin cheap would assume it was stolen, i think.
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ozoneocean at 9:50PM, Nov. 16, 2009
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but yeah, most people offered a gold coin cheap would assume it was stolen, i think.
Or assume it wasn't gold.

But the whole idea is moronic anyway. What would you do if someone offered you a shitty child's drawing for $50, claiming it was a genuine Miro?

…but it was a genuine Miro worth $40 million?
How could you possibly know that? Without a great level of expertise and experience accurate identification is impossible, and without it the item is indistinguishable from any child's drawing. So all you can do is rely on your own logic and reasoning.

Probability would tell you that it wasn't the genuine article.
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With things like famous paintings and gold the value is more abstract anyway. You have to have reasonably expert knowledge to be aware of it at any given time. Therefore the whole concept of this test only serves to point out the idiocy of the expectations of the tester.

May as well carry around a sing saying “I am an imbecile”. It would be simpler.
 
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harkovast at 3:26PM, Nov. 20, 2009
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I tried to sell people a bridge in Brooklyn for only 2 dollars and strangely got no takers!
What sort of moron would agree to buy something that seems ridiculously cheap from someone they met in the street?
This proves people are smart, the dork with the coin is an idiot.
The irony is wonderful!

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