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Arashi_san at 2:17AM, May 5, 2008
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there is such a small percentage of people who go in killing rampages after playing videogames that the media try to link, it's not even worth counting.
It's worth counting if someone you know is a casualty of such an instance. I don't know anyone who has, but I'm sure there have been a lot of people who have been affected.

Once again, I agree with you, however. That's nothing when looking at the problems of the world as a whole. Even the problems of a single country, in fact. And the media does have an annoying habit of maximizing events like this and trying to manipulate their audiences into acting out and giving them more things to write stories about and all of that bifurcated crap.
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Aurora Moon at 2:26AM, May 5, 2008
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I'm with Subcultured.

I've played some of the GTA series, and the whole time it's never said something along the lines of: “Hey, doing this or that is SUPER COOL!! YOU SHOULD DO THIS OUTSIDE OF THE GAME!!”

It's merely only the story of a criminal trying to make it in the “criminal world”… and even though there's “rewards” in the game, it's merely there because your Criminal character is “moving on up” in that game. Most people would easily understand that it's simply just a part of a storyline, and that it's not actually saying that killing people or such is a good idea.

And in fact, you even have a CHOICE whenever you want to do some of the stuff or not. You don't have to beat up people or run over people with your cars if you don't want to. You don't HAVE to steal cars, etc… You could easily just run around the game just looking at the scenery and other random stuff.

In fact, GTA 4 gives you a greater choice in doing just exactly that. Skydriving by jumping off buildings, spawning cards using codes and taking it for a drive WITHOUT stealing anybody's car.. etc.

And, only mentally ill people could take the game so seriously. and like Subcultured said.. they're actually a small parentage, and the Media just tends to blow that up out of portion.
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Arashi_san at 12:09PM, May 5, 2008
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I think that's pretty cool that you have the option to not jack cars, beat up random pedestrians, etc. In fact, there are a lot of things I like about the game. Things that Aurora Moon mentioned, (i.e., spawning cars and skydiving off builings) I enjoy in the game. I would like the game, it's just I don't like that this game can make someone who causes all this mayhem and destruction and screws up this screwed-up world more, as a cool guy who has a lot of fun doing all of this crap.

I know I might be speaking like a prick, but too many people do take this game too seriously, which causes me to take it too seriously. But a lot of people, especially younger audiences and people who are very impressionable see this kind of character and may try to emulate him. As stupid as it is, it happens, and the more popular a game, the more it will happen.

I am no Jack Thompson. I hate the pansy-licking faggot, I just don't really like the game. I don't really care if other people like it, I'm just writing my thoughts on the game. Though I'm not really sure why I'm writing all of this…
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Atom Apple at 2:15PM, May 5, 2008
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You know, if you think about it, GTA could cause less violence. I mean, you can take out your frustration on virtual characters. Stressed people use those squeaky toys, nobody ever accuses them of inspiring violence but you choke the thing half to death.
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Arashi_san at 2:33PM, May 5, 2008
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You know, if you think about it, GTA could cause less violence. I mean, you can take out your frustration on virtual characters. Stressed people use those squeaky toys, nobody ever accuses them of inspiring violence but you choke the thing half to death.
Haha! Once again, I agree with you, Atom.
That's one of the things I was pointing out earlier. Some people who need to get out their angst and those tumultuous urges can take it out in the game instead of in real-life.
That's one of the good things I do like about this game.
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subcultured at 10:10PM, May 5, 2008
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look it like porn…you're not suppose to show lil kids porn it screws them up. parents just need to prevent it from being exposed to it. sure they may advertise it, but parents are suppose to keep on top of what kids interact with. a kid drinks beer at his friend's house, beer makers wouldn't be held responsible.

society needs to grow up and accept the fact that some video games are for adults too, just like some comics or movies.
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Atom Apple at 8:15PM, May 6, 2008
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look it like porn…you're not suppose to show lil kids porn it screws them up.

I've yet to see that proved.

Well, technically my examples aren't parents showing the porn. That would be kind of weird.
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subcultured at 7:39PM, May 7, 2008
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In an utterly predictable turn of events, a major news/media outlet has decided to launch an attack on the “killing simulator” that is Grand Theft Auto IV.

American news network CNN has launched a ludicrous attack on GTA IV, claiming the title is "training kids to be killers“.

Presenter Glenn Beck, during a news item entitled Grand Theft Morality, said youngsters playing the game will learn how to slaughter others in a similar way to the recruits being trained by the military.

”It took 75 years and countless billions of dollars to train our soldiers to kill. Today, $60 buys your kid the same thing,“ said Mr Beck.

”In Grand Theft Auto, your son, husband or boyfriend or whoever, can hire a prostitute, have sex with her and then beat her to death with a baseball bat.“

”When a police officer comes after him, he can either light him on fire or cut him in half with a chainsaw. This is entertainment?"

Next week, expect a scathing critique of Mario Kart and how it irresponsibly teaches children to fire turtle shells at each other, drop oil slicks on roads and generally drive like maniacs - maybe.
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subcultured at 11:36AM, May 14, 2008
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North Carolina Killer: I Played GTA Before Double Murder
May 14, 2008

A 22-year-old convicted killer claims that he played Grand Theft Auto just before murdering two housemates in 2005.

As reported by the Fayetteville Observer, James Christopher Stitt is waiting to learn whether he will be executed or face life in prison for the gruesome double slaying. Stitt told a psychiatrist that he played GTA until 4 a.m. and then committed the killings. The psychiatrist, Dr. Moira Artigues, testified:

He went in and killed George and Jenna in a state where he was like an automaton, not in control of his actions at the time.

The newspaper report notes:

Artigues… did not suggest that there was a connection between the video game and the murders…. Artigues said Stitt seems at times to live in a fantasy world and she wasn’t even sure that the version of the murders he described to her was the truth. He told a different story — in which Grand Theft Auto wasn’t mentioned — to his girlfriend, according to earlier testimony.

Courtroom testimony also revealed that the convicted murderer had an extremely troubled childhood.
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Product Placement at 12:42PM, May 14, 2008
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People get worked up over the smallest things.



It's stupid realy when people make claims that violent games make people aggressive based on the fact that various attackers have played such games.

No no no. Aggressive people seek out to play violent games. Therefore it's natural that often you'll end up with attackers who happened to like games like GTA. Wery often they shield themselves behind the game saying: “It made me do it, therefore it's not my fault”.

If playing Carmageddon is gona make you want to run over people for extra points then there's something wrong with you and it ain't the games fault.
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subcultured at 10:43AM, May 15, 2008
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There is “scant scientific evidence” that video games encourage violent behaviour, new research reports.

Patrick Kierkegaard, of the University of Essex, argues in the International Journal of Liability and Scientific Enquiry that video games are “harmless” and do not lead to real-world aggression.

Moreover, he claims that previous research work has been unfairly biased against video games.

The publication of the research coincides with the launch of the controversial Grand Theft Auto IV which features scenes of murder, theft and destruction.

Kierkegaard points out that these violent games are growing more realistic with each passing year, and that most relish their plots of violence, aggression and gender bias.

But the academic questions whether there is any scientific evidence to support claims that violent games contribute to aggressive and violent behaviour.

Kierkegaard studied a range of research papers published since the 1980s, several of which concluded that video games can lead to juvenile delinquency and violent criminal behaviour.

Evidence from brain scans carried out while gamers play also seems to support a connection between playing video games and activation of regions of the brain associated with aggression.

However, Kierkegaard maintains that there is no obvious link between real-world violence statistics and the advent of video games.

In fact he argues that the effect seems to be the “exact opposite” and that it could be argued that video game usage has reduced real violence.

“Violent crime, particularly among the young, has decreased dramatically since the early 1990s, while video games have steadily increased in popularity and use,” said Kierkegaard.

“For example, in 2005 there were 1,360,088 violent crimes reported in the US compared with 1,423,677 the year before.

”With millions of sales of violent games, the world should be seeing an epidemic of violence. Instead, violence has declined."

However, Kierkegaard emphasised that the research is inconclusive. It is possible that certain types of video game could affect emotions, views, behaviour and attitudes, but books can also lead to violent behaviour in those already predisposed to violence.

The inherent biases in many of the research studies examined by Kierkegaard point to a need for a more detailed study of video games and their psychological effects.
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Product Placement at 12:04PM, May 15, 2008
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It is possible that certain types of video game could affect emotions, views, behaviour and attitudes, but books can also lead to violent behaviour in those already predisposed to violence.

That's my point as well. Violence existed before video games came around so there's no suprise that it's still around.

Those were my two cents.
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crocty at 12:53PM, May 15, 2008
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IT'S ALL THE GAME'S FAULT!
BAN THE GAME!
THEN WE WILL HAVE WORLD PEACE!

dude just for saying that your probly gonan get shot
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Atom Apple at 2:19PM, May 15, 2008
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IT'S ALL THE GAME'S FAULT!
BAN THE GAME!
THEN WE WILL HAVE WORLD PEACE!

dude just for saying that your probly gonan get shot
…What?…

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subcultured at 9:09AM, May 16, 2008
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jack thompson is such a sleaze bag lawyer.
reminds me of senator mccarthy

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Lawyer Jack Thompson of Coral Gables, Fla., issued a news release about the Stitt case Thursday, using it in an attempt to warn people that violent video games are dangerous. Thompson has sued video game manufacturers on the premise that their violent games have led to people to kill. It is part of his national campaign to keep such games away from children.

Stitt killed Army Spc. George Katsigiannis and 16-year-old Jenna Bologna in the home the three shared near Fort Bragg in February 2005. A jury debating the death penalty for Stitt decided Thursday that he should get life without parole.

On Tuesday, a forensic psychiatrist testifying on Stitt’s behalf in his sentencing hearing said she asked him in December what happened. He told her that he played one of the Grand Theft Auto video games from midnight to 4 a.m. then got up and committed the murders. He said he felt at the time, “I know I’m wrong but I can’t control myself,” and “everything did not seem real to me, like a dream,” Dr. Moira Artigues testified.

Artigues did not say she believed the video game was linked to the killings. She said she even questioned whether Stitt was telling her the truth about the killings.

She was the last witness to testify.

Stitt’s ex-girlfriend had previously testified that he said the murders stemmed from an argument he had with Bologna that turned violent. In that version of the events, Stitt was watching television before the killings.

In the Grand Theft Auto series of games, the player travels through virtual cities and commits crimes, including murder, to get ahead. The latest edition in the series was released April 29 and had initial worldwide sales of more than $500 million.

“I have no doubt that the video game contributed to what he did,” said Thompson. In his news release, Thompson said, “Part of Stitt’s defense was his obsessive play of the Grand Theft Auto video games, and it worked.”

If he had been asked, Thompson said, he would have testified on Stitt’s behalf.

In their closing arguments, Stitt’s lawyers never suggested that video games had anything to do with their murders.

“There was no ‘video game defense,’” defense lawyer Jim Parish said in an interview after Thompson issued the news release. Their effort to save Stitt from the death sentence focused on the upheaval and trauma that shaped Stitt’s life from childhood, he said. He wouldn’t comment further about Thompson.
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ozoneocean at 9:18AM, May 16, 2008
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Thompson isn't a sleaze, so much as a bizarre obsessive. And yes, he IS like McCarthy: obsessed with an unreal, made up threat. He's like those strange zealots in the past, people like Martian Luther (The German guy), or the catholic inquisitors.

The sleazes here though are the defence lawyers and their use of the made-up game story to convince their idiot jury. lol!
 
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subcultured at 9:25AM, May 16, 2008
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well, using thompson science, you would think that since gta sold millions of copies worldwide there would be a a sharp incline of violence and murders.
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Eirikr at 11:38AM, May 16, 2008
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Thompson isn't really a threat anymore, to videogames or really anyone. After the Florida Bar association attempted to take away his right to practice law, most political figures have found out he's just an off-kilter old man with a public image that is self-destructive, and thus have stayed away from him like he's the plague.
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subcultured at 1:45AM, May 17, 2008
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London , May 17 (ANI): A majority of kids in Britain believe that playing violent computer games, such as the recently launched Grand Theft Auto IV, are responsible for aggressive behaviour, according to a new survey.

The survey conducted by Ofcom, the broadcasting regulator, has revealed that two thirds of children between ages ranging from 12 to 15 confessed that violence in games was more responsible for aggressive behaviour than the violence in television or films.

The findings follow the launch of Grand Theft Auto IV (GAT 1V), where the protagonist in the game robs and murders his way through the criminal underworld.

While GAT 1V comes with a 18-certificate, it has raised concerns for parenting groups, who think that the game will still land into the hands of younger children sooner or later, reports Telegraph.

The survey also pointed out that kids bedrooms were largely turning into multi-media centres, as most of the children between the age of 12 and 15 had their bedrooms equipped with at least six media devices, like the internet, MP3 players, digital cameras and mobile phones and those aged 8 to 11 had, on average, four devices in their rooms.

Despite growing concerns, children are still exposed to unsuitable content on the Internet without any supervision.

And parents have said that they did not think it was necessary to install blocking software as they trusted their children to self-regulate their Internet behaviour.
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Custard Trout at 3:56AM, May 17, 2008
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GAT 1V?

Grand Auto Theft 15?
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crocty at 7:50AM, May 17, 2008
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Yeah, people say things like this are the source of aggressive behaviour, but how many games do you think Hitler played?

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Atom Apple at 8:50AM, May 17, 2008
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Fact: teenagers lie in surveys. I know because I surveyed a group of teenagers.
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Eirikr at 9:14AM, May 17, 2008
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Fact: teenagers lie in surveys. I know because I surveyed a group of teenagers.

About what?
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Atom Apple at 9:19AM, May 17, 2008
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Fact: teenagers lie in surveys. I know because I surveyed a group of teenagers.

About what?

About lying in surveys.
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Kohdok at 6:54AM, May 24, 2008
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People do stupid shit over anything, not just GTA. Hell, I was once mugged for having pokemon. They're just highlighting it in this case because the game is about crime and it's so controvertial.

Heaven forbid we remember the hoboes hired to wait for PS3's to be scalped on the internet…
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If playing Carmageddon is gona make you want to run over people for extra points then there's something wrong with you and it ain't the games fault.

You mean that doesn't work?
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