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I just got a tablet...
Demynx at 5:43PM, March 20, 2007
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I just got a tablet and I have Corel Painter and Photoshop CS but its hard for line art and I don't really know how to colour it inside while I color. Any tips and tricks? :robo:
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reconjsh at 6:07PM, March 20, 2007
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If I had to give one peice of advice, it'd be:
* Get the felt covered nibs for your pen. Makes a huge difference in how the pen feels on the tablet.

Also:
* The higher the DPI and magnification when you make a line, the smoother it'll look at normal viewing sizes and in print/web.

* Google tutorials… there's millions of good one out there. I'll go through my bookmarks to see if I have any. Basically though, just practice with it. You'll suck at first with a tablet… but later you'll find you can't live without one.


What tablet did you get? Brand and size?


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subcultured at 6:14PM, March 20, 2007
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welcome to the world of digital art!
i have a few tutorials with some video examples
http://www.drunkduck.com/Subcultured_Tutorials/
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gigatwo at 7:19PM, March 20, 2007
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http://pixel2life.com
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Friedenmann at 11:39AM, March 21, 2007
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Well, in PS you can turn pressure control off. But it's better to train drawin' outlines with the pressure on. Workin' on actual size picture isn't a good idea at all - you should use 3x or 4x bigger picture and resize it when it's all done. If you want to color inside the outline I recommend colorin' on a separate layer which you place under the outline layer. Hope this helps.
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hpkomic at 2:30PM, March 22, 2007
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I've discovered with a tablet, if you draw your lines towards your center of gravity, they generally come out better, faster, and easier.

So when drawing with a tablet, draw your lines towards you. It sounds weird, but it works.
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acadia at 4:03PM, March 22, 2007
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I've discovered with a tablet, if you draw your lines towards your center of gravity, they generally come out better, faster, and easier.

So when drawing with a tablet, draw your lines towards you. It sounds weird, but it works.

Obviously speaking from experience, he is. I've found the same thing to be true.

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reconjsh at 7:34PM, March 22, 2007
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I've discovered with a tablet, if you draw your lines towards your center of gravity, they generally come out better, faster, and easier.

So when drawing with a tablet, draw your lines towards you. It sounds weird, but it works.

Obviously speaking from experience, he is. I've found the same thing to be true.

Me too. Also, Painter has a feature where you can rotate the canvas on the fly. It's like hold alt+space bar I think. So you can always pull your line in the exact direction you feel most comfortable. Photoshop lacks this feature.

Also, I suggest the felt nibs again… and use something to make your hand not stick to the pad… like just a tiny bit of baby powder.
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Janen at 1:46PM, March 27, 2007
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I'm considering buying a tablet, what price range should I expect for a good(not extraordinary) tablet? I really hate overpaying. Aside from Wacom(being the one I've heard most about)what brands should I be looking at? Thanks.
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reconjsh at 3:03PM, March 27, 2007
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I'm considering buying a tablet, what price range should I expect for a good(not extraordinary) tablet? I really hate overpaying. Aside from Wacom(being the one I've heard most about)what brands should I be looking at? Thanks.

You can get a graphire 4x5 for like 70 bucks now. It's WACOM's cheapest product and it's pretty great actually. It's a good product to look at if you're curious about the tablet world but don't want to spend much.

I personally have a CINTIQ 17x wacom tablet… contiq is their highest product level… it's a 17“ monitor with a tablet on top. Cintiq's are like $1,200 USD+.

It all comes down to why you want a tablet… speed, percision, just a natural feeling ”mouse", etc…
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Janen at 6:29PM, March 27, 2007
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I'll check that out although 4x6 sounds too small(I want it basically to color my comics and maybe do lineart since it would solve my scanner issue). Hey reconjsh do you mind if I PQ you when I come up with some more questions? I'll start looking more into the info tomorrow. Later.
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reconjsh at 7:35PM, March 27, 2007
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I'll check that out although 4x6 sounds too small(I want it basically to color my comics and maybe do lineart since it would solve my scanner issue). Hey reconjsh do you mind if I PQ you when I come up with some more questions? I'll start looking more into the info tomorrow. Later.
Feel free to PQ me about anything.

As far as other brands… I've only used Wacom. I can't really speak about the others. I can say, however, that every design job I've ever had where there were tablets, it was always Wacom. That must mean something, right?

I've worked in a variety of deisgn/art enviroments and have tried several different tablets out; from el cheap-o to the VERY best Wacom has out. I can give you decent advice from my experience, but also know there's also plenty of decent articles/reviews out there on google that discuss which tablet to get for who and why.

Here are the 3 tablets I'd recommend and why:
1) Unlimited Budget Tablet: Wacom Cintiq 21UX ~$2,500
* It's HUGE! It's awesome. It's the god of tablets. Nothing more can be said: it pwnz.
* It's a tablet on top of a 21" flatpanel LCD monitor that you can tilt to lay flat or stand straight up!
* Run dual (or more) monitors if you go this route.
* This is what I have, except I bought it some time ago and 17X was the pimp model of the time.
2) Best Value for the Buck Tablet: Wacom Intuos3 6x8 ~$299
* Is decently sized (about 12“ diagonally) and offers a great hybrid between speed of pointer movement across the screen and precision.
* It's a nice size and will fit onto most desk spaces (it's about 13” x 11" total size).
* Intuos3 > Graphire4. The intuos offers 1k+ sensitivity levels, +-.01 accuracy, can tilt 60 deg., etc.
* You can get customizable pens for extra money for Intuos - like an airbrush pen.
3) Cheap (but quality) Starter Tablet: Wacom Graphire4 4x5 ~$80
* It's compact and fits on the desk nicely.
* The difference in precision between the Graphire and the Intuos is not a big deal for anyone less than a professional artist.
* It's affordable for almost anyone… $80 is not hard to come buy if you save for a couple weeks/months, depending on your budget.
* It's small… but should work fine for most people. The next size up is roughly double the price ($150).

Afterthoughts:
* The cheap Graphire4 4x5 will do everything you want it to as a beginner to the tablet world. You will eventually wish you had a bigger tablet, but that's true of any size. I wanted a bigger one when I had a 9x12.
* There's alot of other Wacom tablets out there. For $400 you can get an intuos 9x12. For $150 you can get a Graphire4 6x8… etc, etc, etc. So there's ALOT to consider before I can give a solid recommendation. I need to know alot about your desires and your budget first.

Hope that helps. Here's an article that might help too… I onyl grazed it, but it seemed good! Feel free to PQ me anytime.
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/a/graphicstablets.htm
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Zac at 2:16PM, March 28, 2007
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I know I started with a 4x6 Wacom Graphire 3 tablet. It cost 112$ at the time I bought it and For the longest time I never used it. After I decided tablet was the way to go, I practiced on it for about 4 months straight. When I thought I understood the tablet, I decided to go for a more expensive investment.

I then got an Intuos 3 tablet. It's a decent size, works MUCH better than the graphire, but I don't think I'd be able to appreciate it without having used the graphire. There was nothing wrong with the Graphire, it's just easier to use the Intuos after practicing with the Graphire.

You can color and ink on whatever size you get. It's all about the resolution you work it.
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reconjsh at 4:01PM, March 28, 2007
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I forgot to mention that ALL WACOM pens are free and wireless and do not require batteries. Some of the other brands do have those things… and you'll find that annoying. Wacom has very light pens and they have a very natural feel in a variety of shapes and styles. You can get weighted pens for Wacom tablets as well.

And like i've said 2 or 3 times… get the felt nibs.
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Kristen Gudsnuk at 8:08AM, April 2, 2007
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I have the tiny, cheap little Wacom 4x6… and lemme tell ya, it's my beloved.
Just because it's small doesn't mean it's bad! meh, not that I've ever tried a bigger one (before I got my tablet I just had the, like 3x3 touchpad on my laptop… yuck!) but it does nice stuff, and is a lot better than a mouse! I got mine on ebay so it was even cheaper~!!! woo for sketchy bargain prices!
so don't shy away from the smaller tablets… they're cool! (plus it fits in my lap really perfectly! and the pen is fun to gnaw on! … I probably shouldn't but it's a compulsion. ^_^)
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S1RCH at 12:38AM, April 22, 2007
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Im considering getting a tablet and im looking at the 4x5 wacom graphire (im on a budget). and the only thing im wortied about is size. will i be happier with a bigger one, but thats not a wacom? or should i go with the wacom? does anybody know how using a smaller tablet and a larger tablet compare? i just dont want to buy the smaller one and not be satisfied with it.
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FAL at 6:20AM, April 22, 2007
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I now use a Wacom Intuos A5, but before that I had the cheapest and tiniest Genius tablet, and you know what? There's not much difference.

Of course it's nicer to have a bigger surface to work on, but I zoom out anyway if I have to make long lines so…
To start, I think you'll be fine with a small one. You also have to consider that it takes some time to get used to using a tablet, when I started I couldn't draw a straight line to save my life ;)
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wyldflowa at 9:40AM, April 22, 2007
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I then got an Intuos 3 tablet. It's a decent size, works MUCH better than the graphire, but I don't think I'd be able to appreciate it without having used the graphire.
Same here~ I had an A6 Graphire and it was great at the time. I'd reccomend it to anyone wanting to test the waters of graphics tablets. Its a really good piece of kit and will last a long time if you treat it properly (I had mine for about three years and now my little brother's got it ^^). At the same time it's not too pricey so if you don't like it its not a big hit to the wallet.

S1RCH, you probably won't find the size a problem. The tablets have absolute positioning meaning that the tablet space directly corrolates to what's shown on your monitor. So if you put your pen on the top right corner of the tablet the pointer will be at the top right hand corner of your screen. With smaller tablets it isn't as accurate at pinpointing things but you can just zoom in anyway so it isn't that much of a deal. :) In fact, I get shoulder-ache using my larger tablet cos I have to move my arm further to get around the screen. XD

Demynx, for lineart use long, fast, confident strokes and use a drawing program that's designed for use with a tablet like Open Canvas, Painter, Manga Studio… NOT Photoshop! XD Although I use it a lot it's a photomanipulation program and isn't really designed for drawing/painting into - it's terrible at picking up the tablet pen movements; long flowing lines come out jaggedy. D: I dunno if the newer versions are a bit better at this though (I use 6.0).
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S1RCH at 3:39PM, April 22, 2007
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thanks everybody, i think i definantly want to get a wacom 6x8, i just don't know whether to get a graphire or intuos. i heard that the intuos is better for drawing, and thats what i do. also its aimed more towards professional users while the graphire is more for home use, obviously im not a professional, but i feel like the graphire is more for just like writing or signing your name and not so much for serious art. but the price is where it hurts. the 6x8 graphire costs $200 while the 6x8 intuos costs $330. is the intuos really worth the $130 extra dollars? sorry for all the questions, i just dont want to pay $130 more for an intuos when i can get the same thing from the graphire. how do these two compare?
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reconjsh at 8:53PM, April 22, 2007
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thanks everybody, i think i definantly want to get a wacom 6x8, i just don't know whether to get a graphire or intuos. i heard that the intuos is better for drawing, and thats what i do. also its aimed more towards professional users while the graphire is more for home use, obviously im not a professional, but i feel like the graphire is more for just like writing or signing your name and not so much for serious art. but the price is where it hurts. the 6x8 graphire costs $200 while the 6x8 intuos costs $330. is the intuos really worth the $130 extra dollars? sorry for all the questions, i just dont want to pay $130 more for an intuos when i can get the same thing from the graphire. how do these two compare?
Basically, the Intuos is more precise. It has double the sensitivity and better accuracy. It also has built in buttons on the tablet that the Graphire does not.

The Intuos is noticably better - especially for a “artist/draw-er”… but if money is a big deal… it's not worth $130 bucks more. The Graphire will work awesomely and will suite your needs very well. Trust me… the graphire works great even for professional illustrators.

Basically, you're comparing a Corvette to a Ferrari right now. And you've been driving a Ford Escort and now you want to do some ametuer street racing… both cars are going to be incredible steps ahead of the Escort and you'll be a badass racing around the corners… but odds are good that the Ferrai is going to be the best of the 2 choices. But, the Corvette is still a hell of a good ride and a great street racer… not to mention significantly cheaper.

Ya know… you could always return the Graphire/Intuos after trying it for a day *cough* if the company you bought it from allows for returns on those products.
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