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Is our best friend making idiots of us all?
Arashi_san at 3:03PM, June 26, 2008
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It's a very long article, but it's also very interesting and I've found merit in what they're saying.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google

You don't have to read the entire article to get the gist of it, but it's worth reading to the end and it makes quite a few valid and interesting points.
shifting in the wind… is a baby.
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Custard Trout at 3:47PM, June 26, 2008
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That article was way too long.

All that rambling for what was basically: ‘oh no, things are different and scary’.
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Arashi_san at 12:50AM, June 27, 2008
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actually, it's quite the contrary. Except that it is long.

they don't really consider it different and scary in the least.
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Custard Trout at 1:25AM, June 27, 2008
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Were we reading the same article?
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ozoneocean at 4:38AM, June 27, 2008
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The stuff about them reading less would be more likely down to their own personal failings and or changing feelings, not their brains changing because of the net. That seems very far fetched to me when a simpler, more common place explanation works just as well.

I agree with this though:
I come from a tradition of Western culture, in which the ideal (my ideal) was the complex, dense and “cathedral-like” structure of the highly educated and articulate personality—a man or woman who carried inside themselves a personally constructed and unique version of the entire heritage of the West. I see within us all (myself included) the replacement of complex inner density with a new kind of self—evolving under the pressure of information overload and the technology of the “instantly available.”
I agree with it to a point, and only a change in terms of a cultural change, not a mental one. People are replacing broad cultural awareness, learning, and knowledge with very recent pop-culture. Increasingly a minimum of general knowledge suffices for most people, with a few minor specialisations and that's it- the rest of their thinking is devoted to current popular culture.

That's not a new process that came with the net, rather it's been going on since communication became so much faster and boarder with radio, TV and film. The net is just a more active species of that trend (you can more easily and directly participate and direct your experiences.).
 
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lothar at 7:46AM, June 27, 2008
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Arashi_san
You don't have to read the entire article to get the gist of it, …

Custard Trout
That article was way too long.

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Nicholas Carr
When the Net absorbs a medium, that medium is re-created in the Net’s image. It injects the medium’s content with hyperlinks, blinking ads, and other digital gewgaws, and it surrounds the content with the content of all the other media it has absorbed. A new e-mail message, for instance, may announce its arrival as we’re glancing over the latest headlines at a newspaper’s site. The result is to scatter our attention and diffuse our concentration.
this guy sounds like he doesn't know how to use a computer . if the ads bug you so much - block them . if you cant resist clicking on every damned link you see adjust the text color so you don't see it. don't have your mail set to alert you every time you get new mail . simple !

people are getting dumber, but i don't think it's any fault of google ! if you have to blame somebody , blame the mainstream media and porn!
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BffSatan at 9:52PM, June 27, 2008
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I was out of there as soon as it started quoting space odyessy.
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Zad at 8:39PM, July 7, 2008
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(Long rant. I haven't gotten to have one in ages. :D)


The first part bugged me.
Someone
I now have almost totally lost the ability to read and absorb a longish article on the web or in print,
This part is true for me, but ONLY on the computer. I'm the BIGGEST computer nerd in our family, I'm on at least half my day, and i can still get lost in a novel. Not thier lost, I mean, I can reaad for hours and hours, picture it, provide sounds, voices, movie-likeness to it. Nothing's changed. (Still have to yell at me to get me to look up.)

The bit about the online articles makes sense to me. if i wanted to read a book, I would get a (tangible) book, and read the (printed) words. If i was online, I'm probably not going to sit for hours jsut reading.
Computerz iz not 4 r34d1ng.
The bit about some guy whose (who's? never got that one) I can't pronounce is stupid. Congrats, your right differently. Did anyone notice he typed with his eyes closed? Maybe that makes a difference.

At the aprt about time, my head exploded. BORING AS .

About the ads. Ignore that ads, stupid.

After that,
Someone
Yet, for all that’s been written about the Net, there’s been little consideration of how, exactly, it’s reprogramming us.
Wait, NOW you're starting the article? WHAT?

Artificial stuff…ok….

Plato. What the hell. I don't write everything down in a little book and use it as my memory. That would be idiotic.

Someone
So, yes, you should be skeptical of my skepticism
This just shot my overall rank of this article down about a hundred spots.
(I should've said notches. How do you spell notches? I should google it…)


Someone
I come from a tradition of Western culture, in which the ideal (my ideal) was the complex, dense and “cathedral-like” structure of the highly educated and articulate personality—a man or woman who carried inside themselves a personally constructed and unique version of the entire heritage of the West. I see within us all (myself included) the replacement of complex inner density with a new kind of self—evolving under the pressure of information overload and the technology of the “instantly available.”
Someone explain this. Please.

Someone
As we are drained of our “inner repertory of dense cultural inheritance,” Foreman concluded, we risk turning into “‘pancake people’—spread wide and thin as we connect with that vast network of information accessed by the mere touch of a button.”
What culture? Stupid, this IS my culture. Think for a moment.My “inner repertory of dense culteral inheritance” is still there.
Ok, i have no idea what he is (or I am) saying.


Someone
That’s the essence of Kubrick’s dark prophecy: as we come to rely on computers to mediate our understanding of the world, it is our own intelligence that flattens into artificial intelligence.
OH, so this is all the summary of a science fiction novel. NOW it makes sense.

……….that was a pretty good waste of my time. (But what better way to use it?) This guy has some good thoughts, but he keeps sounding like a SF story.

Holy cow, did i jsut type all that? Did you just read it?
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