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Is Pornography good for society?
ozoneocean at 6:32PM, May 31, 2007
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Yep, it's not the nature of the activity that makes people ashamed but the attitude of certain sections in our society that force them to regard themselves in that way. ;)

The same thing used to happen and still does happen to many homosexual people: because the activity was (or is still in some cases) frowned upon and despised by the majority of adult society- the individuals suffered rejection, shame, and depression for what is really quite a normal and natural activity. The same thing happens with people in various aspects of the sex industry because our culture tends to be quite immature, afraid, suspicious, nervous, non-understanding, and disapproving of many things to do with sexual intercourse between consenting adults.
 
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Aurora Moon at 8:48PM, May 31, 2007
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The same thing used to happen and still does happen to many homosexual people: because the activity was (or is still in some cases) frowned upon and despised by the majority of adult society- the individuals suffered rejection, shame, and depression for what is really quite a normal and natural activity. The same thing happens with people in various aspects of the sex industry because our culture tends to be quite immature, afraid, suspicious, nervous, non-understanding, and disapproving of many things to do with sexual intercourse between consenting adults.

Yep, exactly.

And remember that it was only a short while ago (like 50 years ago or so) that even just simple sex between two consenting adult people was considered bad if they weren't married yet. it was bad even if the two adults were planning to get married anyway.
To a lot of people back then, the only sex was good was if you were married. And the mere idea of an single parent was SO scandalous! a few people still think that way nowadays.

as long as there's gonna be idiots who are SO immature about even the idea of two people having sex, there'll be an crowd that thinks that it's somehow wrong and immoral. When in fact it's just an natural act that comes from the deepest core of our human nature.
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that kid yellow at 11:22AM, June 6, 2007
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all i know that rape is bad
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StitchDemons at 7:49PM, June 6, 2007
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As long as they have their peter in their hand and not a knife or gun. It's fine by me!

Although pornography also aided in making people who seclude themselves from society and avoid social gatherings less likely to kill themselves. I think i read that somewhere…

So yeah, porn helps. And it stimulates the economy.
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daniel_the_drummer at 4:15PM, June 24, 2007
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Porn is awesome, it's gottewn me through some dry spells (rare dry spells) and has taught me some of my best moves. My girl friend should really thank porn.

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GinckPress at 8:51PM, July 8, 2007
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To the person that said that Female Ejaculation isn't possible:

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TnTComic at 3:48AM, July 9, 2007
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I don't buy the theory that porn leads to rape anymore than I'd believe that watching Die Hard leads to bank robberies.
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Emma_Clare at 1:43AM, July 25, 2007
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Pornography is an art form in itself, even though it may a bit crude at times. However, it seems that nowadays people can explore their sexuality more freely particularly now that most people have access to the internet.
Like most things in life pornography has its time and its place. Although I may be wrong, I believe that pornography has been around since the dawn of the cave men. Since Men and Women will always be romantically involved somehow, or at least feel the need to procreate like most animals pornography will continue to be around.
I feel that pornography is good for society as long as it keeps its time and its place.
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arteestx at 1:35PM, July 25, 2007
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I feel that pornography is good for society as long as it keeps its time and its place.

I have similar views, that pornography is an expression of natural sexual fantasies and that it has its time and place. I am all for keeping pornography adult and away from children.

I do wonder, looking at societal progression, how that time and place is changing though. In the depression era and before, there were adult magazines, mostly illustrations (perhaps completely?). In the 50s, you couldn't show a husband and wife in the same bed, they had separate single beds and when kissing they each had at least one foot on the floor at all times, and Playboy was just getting started. Now consider what is acceptable on TV and magazines. Don't get me wrong, I think entertainment is much more realistic and/or interesting because it can go into those taboo areas. But I wonder where we'll be in 20 or 50 years? Will pornography be available on primetime channels? Am I going to become an old geezer yelling how things were in “the good ol days” when all that porn was in its time and place?

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shadowmagi at 8:22PM, Aug. 4, 2007
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My arguments against pornography have nothing to with rape, really. See, I'm one of those old fashioned people who think sex , while I admit something pleasurable and a part of our being to be enjoyed and explored, is something special between two people. Ever notice the number of people who feel deprived of a certain something when all they have is meaningless sex with random people? Yes not everyone experiences it, but enough to make me wonder. (I understand everyone sees it differently :) )

However, I'm still a firm believe that sex is an emotional, bonding experience between two people. Pornography is… well quit frankly I find it disgusting and demeaning to both men and women. Pornography is Big Buisiness capitalizing on the instinctual human need to reproduce. It shows people an image of what they should find sexy and want. Perfect, unrealistic, plastic surgery deformed (and yes I do think they're deformed) women (and sometimes men) selling their bodies to satisfy horny individuals. Seriously, the urge to have sex can be extremely strong, but I honestly don't think it should be satisified by looking at pictures or reading stories of explicit sexual acts. I can't fully explain it properly, but the I find whole idea of porn is revolting. It's highly demeaning to women (and men, since there's girl porn too), it doesn't even show real people. It shows perfectly waxed people with grossly exaggerated and digitally edited breasts, butts, lips and genitals. It can cause the viewer to demand things of their partner that their partner is completely uncomfortable doing (and lets face it, when people are horny, they get persistent). On top of that, it's simply another source that causes men and women to feel insecure and “not good enough” for their partner. Besides, if your boyfriend/girlfriend is getting all the sexual satisfaction they want from porn, why would you feel like you can give them any more? Not that that necessarily happens, but it can certainly make someone not feel good enough.

But now I'm just ranting. :)

On the subject of rape… Rape has almost NOTHING to do with sexual satisfaction. It has been proven time and time again in psychological studies that rape is all about control and power, not a sexually frustrated individual. That isn't always true, mind you, but certainly in the vast majority of cases rape has been comitted by someone with serious psycholigical problems, not sexual frustration. The other major reason for rape? Oh… Try war. Try angry people with serious grugdes against another race or ethnic group. Historically, rape has been used in war as a means of control and power. It's a way to humiliate someone, to put them in their place, to express hatred.

Sexual frustration? Try masturbation! Be sure to keep that littyle rhyme in your head, boys and girls. ;D

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Aurora Moon at 10:34PM, Aug. 4, 2007
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shadowmagi–your views on porn is perfectly valid in a lot of ways. however, to label them all as demeaning with plastic surgery people is incorrect.

Did you know that there's porn produced by certain companies by women which focuses on sex acts being ROMANTIC AND SPECIAL? In other words, there are porn out there with a storyline…often it got to do with people who loved each other, or were both virgins for the first time, etc… and they don't overly focus on the sexual acts, but also on the eroticism of the situation, etc.
I'm a big fan of foreplay, especially in porn where they show that they're deeply and completely devoted to each other.

also, not all the people in the porn business is a big fan of plastic surgery. There's been some porn actresses and actors who has publicly made it known that they're against surgery for cosmetics reasons, stating that the body itself is special and should be savored the way it is for all of it's “flaws”.

That way, a person who watches those types of porn can not only have that whole fantasy of sex, they can have that whole fantasy of the person they're doing being their beloved without it being too demeaning.

Look up the porn specially made for couples, and you'll see what I mean about porn not being all completely shallow and demeaning.
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TnTComic at 9:31AM, Aug. 5, 2007
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I've never bought the pop psychology notion that rape is all about power. It factors into it, of course, but the idea that rape isn't about sex is illogical. Its a sex act. Its about sex. Its like saying that beating women isn't about the violence.

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Hawk at 4:47PM, Aug. 6, 2007
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Shadowmagi, I agree with your first two paragraphs.

I'm not sure about the last ones, though… it just seems to make sense that a lot of rape would be about sexual gratification. I'm no expert though.
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Aurora Moon at 8:18PM, Aug. 6, 2007
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I believe it's a combation of the two. think of it like this: Rape is 80% power and 20% sex. It's all about the person's need to feel powerful, but it also got enough pleasure to keep the person addicted to rape for the serial rapist.

of course, not all cases are like that. Otherwise that random idiot drunken guy thinking it was a good idea to have sex with a unconicous drunk girl would be thinking about sex instead of power. in that case, he'd be just drunk out of his mind, and simply horny…. and would be too impaired by beer to even make a good judgement. Of course that doesn't excuse what he would do to that unconicous girl, but it serves as an point that not all rape is malicous and hate-filled.



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Rusty Knight at 8:57PM, Aug. 6, 2007
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Porn is good for some people with bizarre fetishes that others would rather them not carry out. Like Castration. Or for people who are alone and bored and need to pass the time. Being a psychopath has nothing to do with porn. When you're crazy, anything can set you off. It just so happens that this team of “Scientists” noticed that fake sex (porno) can be linked to sex crimes and said “HEY MAYN! Les do a study on dis sheet!”
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zero rose at 9:24PM, Aug. 13, 2007
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Porn is good for some people with bizarre fetishes that others would rather them not carry out. Like Castration. Or for people who are alone and bored and need to pass the time. Being a psychopath has nothing to do with porn. When you're crazy, anything can set you off. It just so happens that this team of “Scientists” noticed that fake sex (porno) can be linked to sex crimes and said “HEY MAYN! Les do a study on dis sheet!”

Being the person that I am, I agree with that statement considering that I've met those people who have bizarre fetishes…and been friends with them at one point in time. >_< Admittedly, I'm more of a fan of gorgeous erotic art comics, like in Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbie's Lost Girls. *___*
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mapaghimagsik at 2:56PM, Aug. 14, 2007
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Porn's this weird subjective thing that we can't even define. Its like Art – “we know it like we see it.”

I tend to follow more pro-sex feminist lines, but I think there some porn out there that might not be so healthy – especially to the models. The obvious example is child porn. Computer generated child porn gets greyer, but still…makes me uncomfortable, even though a child wasn't hurt in its production.

But that a tiny, horrid niche of a very very broad area.
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shadowmagi at 7:19PM, Aug. 14, 2007
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Computer generated child porn gets greyer, but still…makes me uncomfortable, even though a child wasn't hurt in its production.

But that a tiny, horrid niche of a very very broad area.

Hm, that IS a grey area. Personally I feel that even though no child was actually used in computer generated child porn, it's still depicting children in a gratuitous sexual manner, and still encourages pedophilia. Which, I think, is one of the most disgusting and perverted things human beings are capable of.

(then again, overall, i'm just strongly opposed to porn in all forms lol)

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Aurora Moon at 10:37PM, Aug. 14, 2007
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Computer generated child porn gets greyer, but still…makes me uncomfortable, even though a child wasn't hurt in its production.

But that a tiny, horrid niche of a very very broad area.

Hm, that IS a grey area. Personally I feel that even though no child was actually used in computer generated child porn, it's still depicting children in a gratuitous sexual manner, and still encourages pedophilia. Which, I think, is one of the most disgusting and perverted things human beings are capable of.

(then again, overall, i'm just strongly opposed to porn in all forms lol)

Hmm. and then of course there's that whole taste thing. Humans have a very weird way of liking certain things in art form that they would otherwise find objectionable if it was reality.

take Shota for example. Shota depicts under-aged anime/manga males in sexual situations–sometimes romantic in that super graphic way, and sometimes just blatant nothing but fucking going on. And sometimes, they even have the under-aged boys in an situation with older males.
Now on the surface it sounds like Child porn and also sounds like it would encourage Child porn.

Yet, most people who are into Shota aren't into Child porn. Now at this point you're probably like “huh?”
But let me explain. Shota, much like Yaoi, is a highly exaggerated vision of males…it's very highly unlikely that there could be men, gay or otherwise, that looks like the males of yaoi. long flowing hair, impossibly slender bodies that are almost womanlike. To the untrained eye those stereotypical Yaoi males might pass off for women with broad shoulders. Just to name a few of the characteristics of the stereotypical Yaoi male.
In Shota, the underage males are drawn in almost the same way with the expectation of the flowing impossibly long hair unless it happens to be Fantasy Shota (dragons, knights, that kinda thing).

So as such, There are no real life children/teenagers that would look like any characters in Shota–it's not just possible. So anybody who were attracted to Shota is most likely prone to finding the idea of actual child porn, or even the idea of sexually attractive real children repulsive.
Mainly because in real life Children snot-nosed, over-hyper, demanding, totally unobident…. unlike in fiction where they always are perfect little children who always keeps their faces and bodies sparkling clean and is always obedient toward all adults out there. So in face of such reality, most would prefer fiction to the real thing.

Just like how Girls (and a small percent of guys) who are into Yaoi wouldn't really be into REAL gay porn…because it's just not the same. There's none of that glamour or the Romanticism that you can only find in fiction. Why? because it can't happen in real life.

And Yes, I've discussed this with a large groups of people who were fans in such things, debating the differences on what was child porn and what wasn't. and of course the big question: “Does it encegore pedophilia?”

Well, turns out that people who are into Shota are half of the people who are into Yaoi as well. Aka mostly girls who just liked the Fantasy and the “Romanticism” of males in love and having butt-sex. Of course… most of them kinda squirmed when it came to the idea of some Shota featuring young males that was under 14 years old. But some didn't mind under 14 as long as it was two males of the same age, and not some creepy adult doing things to them in the picture. That way it would be passed off as innocent kids experimenting with each other (which of course has happened in real life, in forms of playing doctor and such).

So Yeah, it's a gray area there… so overall I would have to say not all fictional works (both literate and Artwork) featuring under-aged people in sexual situations are bad. I guess it would just depend on that kind of situation the kids/teenagers are put into. For example, the people who created such works may not be purposefully trying to create child porn… but trying to create a story where they were exploring the touchy subject of children having sexuality.
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spellchild at 7:56AM, Aug. 15, 2007
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I don't think watching porn hurts anybody. If it's between consensual adults, I don't see the problem. All that illegal stuff, like child porn and snuff films and stuff, that kind of crap ruins society but I think that regular ol two people doing the deed isn't a crime, even when filmed.

And even though some people think pornography is ruining society, they might as well get over it. Porn always existed. From the Roman statues of naked ladies to the WWII pin ups,it's always been here. Society either knows how to deal with it and still flourish, or gets obsessed and becomes crappy.
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mapaghimagsik at 1:37PM, Aug. 17, 2007
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There's some joke about how the difference between porn and art is that art is in black and white.
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Rusty Knight at 9:49AM, Aug. 18, 2007
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There's some joke about how the difference between porn and art is that art is in black and white.
Y'know I noticed that! If you ever do a search on Deviant Art, all the artistic nude photos are in Black and white! Or Sepia!
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Loud_G at 10:58AM, Aug. 18, 2007
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I do not believe for a second that there is any coorelation between more availability and less rape. I think that is way over simplifying the matter.

I also think, however, that porn is an evil thing. Yes, evil. No good comes from it. It decreases respect, increases objectification of women, can become an obsession/adiction, increases marital discord, and many many other side effects.

Shun it like a plague and you will be happier for it.
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Aurora Moon at 12:38PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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I do not believe for a second that there is any coorelation between more availability and less rape. I think that is way over simplifying the matter.

I also think, however, that porn is an evil thing. Yes, evil. No good comes from it. It decreases respect, increases objectification of women, can become an obsession/adiction, increases marital discord, and many many other side effects.

Shun it like a plague and you will be happier for it.

Funny, it seems to have a total oppsiste effect with porn made BY WOMEN for women/Couples. For instance, a couple having martial promblems due to their sex life running a little dry…they buy porn that is intended for couples, and doesn't really place too much objectfiction on nethier sex and empasizes respect for each other in the sexual relationship. it is just itended to inspire the couple to try out new things in their relationship.
Ta-da! not only does the couple's relationship seem to stregthen thanks to porn, they seem to have a deeper connection with each other… no objectification going on nethier.

So I guess if THAT's evil…. then I'd hate to see what “Good” is supposed to be.
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TnTComic at 2:20PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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I also think, however, that porn is an evil thing. Yes, evil. No good comes from it. It decreases respect, increases objectification of women, can become an obsession/adiction, increases marital discord, and many many other side effects.

Shun it like a plague and you will be happier for it.

Wow, what a pontificating bunch of personal opinion that is! You have fun out there, fella!

Is pornography good for society? Yes! It certainly is! I've got a great marriage, a healthy respect for women, and a love of porn. Know what else I like? Action movies and violent video games! But man, what I really love is when people tell me that a form of entertainment is evil and turns people into deviants.

Like rock n' roll.
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Loud_G at 3:26PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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I never said it turned people into deviants. If you read carefully I said that it has no correlary effecton rape. And no, the effects I listed are not opinion but based on experience, testimony, and fact. Yes there is a bit of opinion, but we've all shared those. I just am the only one to disagree with the majority :)

And, in any case we all here are stating our opinions. ;)
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