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Is this the solution to sagging pants?
Masq at 1:40AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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I've found an artical that seemed to be answering my prayers at first. I'll post the link here, and if there's some who can't see it I'll post the whole artical:
http://www.comcast.net/news/strange/index.jsp?cat=STRANGE&fn=/2007/09/16/764841.html

Several major cities are cracking down on sagging pants, a trend plaguing us for at least twenty years. In one small town in Louisiana, showing a bare bottom or your underwear from a low pants line will cost you $500 and six months in jail. Several major cities have similar laws, with the consequences being either/or a fine or community service.

As an educated California woman, I'm quite happy. This is a disgusting trend I'd like to see put to rest, as I've never found it attactive or hip. There was one young man I caught with a low pants line with “skidmarks” on his underwear, and there are some who wear tiny tiny pants for the sole reason of showing off their boxers/naked ass. How this got started and why it's still around is beyond me.

As for the opposite argument, they always play the race card. Since the trend is common in young, black males there are many who believe this law is racial steriotyping.

Alright, yes, I've seen it mostly in young black men, but I know plenty of white men who do it also. And then there's the girls who show off their pantylines to signal that they're hookers, and this is for pretty much all races. This is not a race thing, this is a fashion statement that deserves to die with the dodo.

I'm all for the fines/community service, but nothing so strict as jail. I'd like to hear from some if they're guilty of sagging pants why they do it and also if they think this is fair.
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lothar at 2:58AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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http://www.comcast.net/news/strange/index.jsp?cat=STRANGE&fn=/2007/09/16/764841.html

WTF ? are they serious ?
are You serious Masq ? fines/community service ? you think that's ok, just for how somebody is dressed? what is this, the goddanmed 50s? i don't think they were that Facist even in the 50s?
this kind of bullshit has to be stopped , whoever came up with this law should be Fired ! this is completly ridiculous and Un-American !!!!!!! WTF happened to Freedom ? they're fighting a war on the other side of the planet (for “freedom”) at the same time they are trying to control what you hear, see, and now what you wear back home ! Un-F*cking-believable !!!!
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DAJB at 3:03AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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You're right, it's neither attractive nor hip. But it is currently fashionable.

In my mis-spent youth, I used to wear a (fake) leather jacket with wide silver-glitter covered lapels, trousers that flared so wide below the knee that they looked like a skirt and three-inch platform heels. With the benefit of hindsight, I think we can all agree that that was neither attractive nor hip, either.

Ill-fitting pants will die their own death when the time is right, just like every other fashion trend. Legislating against it seems ridiculously draconian to me.

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Ronson at 4:43AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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Making a law to stop something because some people find it offensive seems, to me, to be an unnecessary restriction on our freedoms.

After all, we are all capable of doing something that offends someone else. From the way we dress, the things we say and the things we do.

What should be asked is who is harmed when people let their underwear stick out. It seems unlikely that anyone is harmed at all in this case, and our legal system would be better served to side with freedom.
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mapaghimagsik at 6:05AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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I'd rather have the police worrying about real crimes.

And c'mon lothar, you *know* what freedom these people care about – the freedom for people to follow their rules :D
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mlai at 7:02AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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The last thing I worry about when I see a gang of belligerent teens is their saggy pants.

In fact those pants make them run slower, which is good.

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DAJB at 8:30AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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The last thing I worry about when I see a gang of belligerent teens is their saggy pants.

In fact those pants make them run slower, which is good.

Damn it, mlai, you're right! Forget about banning baggy pants … it should be compulsory for all teens to wear them!
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Aurora Moon at 9:13AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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The last thing I worry about when I see a gang of belligerent teens is their saggy pants.

In fact those pants make them run slower, which is good.

lol and don't forget that those baggy pants has also stopped robbers and thieves before.. ;)

there was a case where some robber was wearing baggy pants and as he was running from the police his baggy pants actually fell down and tripped him! XD Because of that, they caught him easily…
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subcultured at 9:23AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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same as me walking bare ass in the streets…it should be passed
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Kohdok at 9:56AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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Are they trying to get it in under some indecent exposure clause, or something?
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mlai at 10:57AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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But then what about the women's low-cut jeans? You're gonna have to fight Calvin Klein's lawyers for that one.

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StaceyMontgomery at 11:59AM, Sept. 17, 2007
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In many states, it's still illegal to wear the clothes of the “wrong” gender. This law was used to mercilessly persecute lesbians (among others) who dressed in ways that other people found “disgusting.”

After all, we wouldn't want you to be disgusted, would we?

It wasn't so long ago. I have good friends who were harassed, arrested, and beaten for breaking those laws.

But I remember.
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mapaghimagsik at 12:03PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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I think mockery is more effective than legislation :D
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Priest_Revan at 12:14PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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That's a stupid law. Taking away more freedoms…
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DAJB at 12:23PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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In many states, it's still illegal to wear the clothes of the “wrong” gender.
Yes, but they no longer burn you at the stake for it. Joan of Arc would consider that progress.
;D
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mapaghimagsik at 12:24PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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Provided she wasn't dead, of course ;)
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Cthulhu at 1:02PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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This is the real solution to “sagging pants”.
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trevoramueller at 1:46PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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I'm no fan of people who sag their pants, but I wouldn't say that people shouldn't be able to do it. However, I'll point out the other side of the argument which is “no one wants to see your ass hanging out of your pants.”

If you sag your pants, please wear a shirt that covers your underwear.

Also, my personal opinion is to second the belt. :P
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crazyninny at 2:00PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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I find it kinda cute if a guy is wearing THEIR SIZE of pants and showing A LITTLE bit of boxers, but when its sagging to the point where its pointless to even wear pants is disgusting, unatracttive, and makes you look like a dumbass.
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Masq at 2:58PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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This is the real solution to “sagging pants”.
Agreed. How much is a belt these days? It should be pretty cheap.
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subcultured at 3:58PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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IMO your ass and what you wear over it, is private. i find it insulting if i have to stare at anyone's dirty ass crack or drawers.
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Cthulhu at 6:23PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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IMO your ass and what you wear over it, is private. i find it insulting if i have to stare at anyone's dirty ass crack or drawers.
Same here.

Honestly, they even have pants with an intentional cut in it so people can see their ass.

To this, I say, "What the hell…

I just don't want to hear, ”Don't look at my ass, you pervert!"
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Weirdo at 7:21PM, Sept. 17, 2007
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Making a law to stop something because some people find it offensive seems, to me, to be an unnecessary restriction on our freedoms.

After all, we are all capable of doing something that offends someone else. From the way we dress, the things we say and the things we do.

What should be asked is who is harmed when people let their underwear stick out. It seems unlikely that anyone is harmed at all in this case, and our legal system would be better served to side with freedom.


Even though I hate the pants thing i have to agree.


I also will have to say that some boys will be out of clothing if they are not allowed to where pants that don't sag.
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kyupol at 1:42PM, Sept. 19, 2007
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The government has NO RIGHT to tell you what you can and cannot wear.

Lets see…

Taliban… women should wear the burka and men should always have beard.

North Korea… All must adopt the socialist-style haircut.
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mapaghimagsik at 1:54PM, Sept. 19, 2007
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You do know that women must wear headscarves when at the Vatican?
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warren at 9:00PM, Sept. 19, 2007
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There's a much better answer than fines or jail for saggy pants….

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jmt at 11:41PM, Sept. 19, 2007
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Should not be passed, we are a free country and people can wear their pants as they want. However distasteful, It kills me to see laws like this being passed. Over regulation! But I guess it is understandable, it is a democratic controlled state, so at least it isn’t a surprise.




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DAJB at 11:53PM, Sept. 19, 2007
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You do know that women must wear headscarves when at the Vatican?
That Vatican, eh? Over-run by muslims these days!
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ozoneocean at 8:02AM, Sept. 20, 2007
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In many states, it's still illegal to wear the clothes of the “wrong” gender. This law was used to mercilessly persecute lesbians (among others) who dressed in ways that other people found “disgusting.”
You know, that's why it bemuses me when people cite the Iranian culture police as being evil for enforcing the wearing of head coverings for women… Laws on cultural dress are pretty much the same all over the world, we have social norms and rules about men not wearing make-up, dresses, people not wearing fetish gear in public…
(there ARE exceptions though and the US has been at the forefront of dress freedom in many cases that I can recall)

You know, I agree that forcing people to stick to these modes are bad, and punishing transgressors is horrible, but my thoughts are also that when people criticise extreme Muslim ideas about hijabs and men's beards all they're doing is criticising the fact they they're not like us. Anyway, no one here has done that, but when people do do it, I hate them for it.

But I wont hate them for it if when they're against traditional Muslim gear, they also have to be against traditional Western gear: No Hijab or full face beard if the people don't want it == men in full dresses with make-up if they want it, or people in historical costume or even Star Trek getup if they want in their workplaces! doctors, stockbrokers, whatever, men and women free to do it! Heh! ^_^

Yeah, but saggy trousers… Actually I don't mind it. There are a lot of other fashions that irritate me more. If you like you could just pants the buggers…
 
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DAJB at 8:26AM, Sept. 20, 2007
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But I wont hate them for it if when they're against traditional Muslim gear, they also have to be against traditional Western gear.
I don't think most people are against traditional Muslim gear. The argument is usually about whether it's right to make the wearing of it compulsory, even when the individual would rather not.

There are (at least!) two very different issues here.
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