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Israel plans to hire troll to troll for israel's image.
Orin J Master at 2:21PM, July 12, 2009
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.html

Rona Kuperboim
The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad.

Yeah. Israel is so worried about how sending battalions of tanks into Palistine to “Cleanse” them at random in the hopes of nailing a few gurellias they decided they need to hire people to argue they're doing the right thing on the internet.

the idea that hiring people to go onto whatever internet forum, chatrooms what have you that speak ill of Israel, for whatever reason, and effectively try to start flamewars to make the offending party look bad (the only possible result of this i can see, personally) is equal parts blindingly ignorant and maliciously undemocratic.

and with the proper opener of the discussion formed, allow me to be the first to troll it with: I can't wait to use “How's that Israeli money spend, huh?”* in an internet argument.

*note: i intended almost all of this to be taken seriously, but i can't bring myself to let that terrible joke's toll fall to another.
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kyupol at 3:31PM, July 12, 2009
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Orin J Master
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.html

Rona Kuperboim
The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad.

Yeah. Israel is so worried about how sending battalions of tanks into Palistine to “Cleanse” them at random in the hopes of nailing a few gurellias they decided they need to hire people to argue they're doing the right thing on the internet.

the idea that hiring people to go onto whatever internet forum, chatrooms what have you that speak ill of Israel, for whatever reason, and effectively try to start flamewars to make the offending party look bad (the only possible result of this i can see, personally) is equal parts blindingly ignorant and maliciously undemocratic.

and with the proper opener of the discussion formed, allow me to be the first to troll it with: I can't wait to use “How's that Israeli money spend, huh?”* in an internet argument.

*note: i intended almost all of this to be taken seriously, but i can't bring myself to let that terrible joke's toll fall to another.

Its not Israel.

Its the ZIONISTS.

Its not Jews. Its the ZIONISTS.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

The Zionists are another arm of the New World Order global criminal fascist dictatorship.

They want to totally destroy freedom of speech (among many other freedoms that these terrorists hate). And enslave all of humanity. Plain and simple.

The ADL (antidefamation league) is pack of criminal scum. Look at what they did to David Icke and got him banned from Canada. Haha. David Icke wrote a book that talks about how reptoids are controlling planet earth.

And then the ADL gets all paranoid and freaked out (I wonder now who is the paranoid conspiracy nut) and spreads lies about how David Icke said that a reptoid = jew.

Utter nonsense! I've read two of his books and nowhere did I see him say that Jews are space lizards. But regardless if you agree with David Icke or not, the issue is FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!! Don't tell me that you can't say “love love peace peace and space lizards rule the earth”.


But it doesn't matter.

For posting this, Orin J Master is a hitler worshipping holocaust denying anti semitic Nazi al Quaeda who blames Jews for a clogged toilet!!!

ARREST THIS THOUGHT CRIMINAL! ORIN J MASTER IS A THOUGHT CRIMINAL!!!

WE NEED MORE HATE CRIME LEGISLATION!!! OMG!!!

NOW UPDATING!!!
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El Cid at 3:36PM, July 12, 2009
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If Israel is just now unleashing their legion of trolls into cyberspace, they're probably well behind the curve. I've always just assumed that everybody already had paid propaganda trolls out there.
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dueeast at 11:42AM, July 14, 2009
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So now we're Israel-bashing? Is that what the forums have descended to now?

How is this a helpful (or even interesting) discussion?
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Orin J Master at 3:36PM, July 14, 2009
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well, considering their continued blocking of humanitarian aid, refusal to put a stop to the illegal settlements in the west bank, use of violent force against nonviolent protest, and of course their rather brutal attacks on the Palestinians, i'm inclined to think it's less bashing and more decrying an unjust system that relies on a self-assumed sense of “good” to explain their increasingly horrible actions.


also, since i'm sure you'd rather vilify me, allow me to help you with the phrase: “How's that Israeli money spend, huh?”
You're welcome.
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ifelldownthestairs at 4:37PM, July 14, 2009
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Yes. That question alone will stop them all in their tracks. Take THAT, Israel!
you know why birds don't write their memoirs? because birds don't lead epic lives, that's why. who'd want to read what a bird does? nobody. that's who.
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lothar at 5:36PM, July 14, 2009
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the article
The Foreign Ministry intends to hire young people who speak at least one language

woohooo !!!! that's me ,i speak a language , i can work for the zionist propaganda machine !
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BffSatan at 1:47AM, July 15, 2009
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Isn't there enough pro-Israel enthusiasts on the internet already?
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ParkerFarker at 12:57PM, July 19, 2009
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dueeast
So now we're Israel-bashing? Is that what the forums have descended to now?

How is this a helpful (or even interesting) discussion?

seriously? is that the only thing you can say? Just because something conflicts with your views it is not a valid discussion? This forum isn't descending. You think your ascending above us. You're not. You're no better than us.

I find this very interesting. People paying trolls to troll. It is news to me and discussion-worthy.

And how is ANY internet discussion EVER going to be helpful. No one's views are ever changed. Everyone walks out of it believing stronger in views.

“We are in the stickiest situation since Sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun.” - Blackadder
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El Cid at 2:23PM, July 19, 2009
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And how is ANY internet discussion EVER going to be helpful. No one's views are ever changed. Everyone walks out of it believing stronger in views.

I hear this sentiment a lot from people on forums, and I don't fully agree with it. I've had many occasions where I've personally come to a new understanding of subjects that interest me by reading forum discussions, and likewise there have been times when I've seen people's opinions changed and even changed a few myself. It is a very possible outcome when reasonable people engage in reasoned debate. I think too often people use this as a cop-out.

Okay, didn't wanna derail the thread there but…

ah, f— it it's an old thread anyway!
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Orin J Master at 5:20PM, July 19, 2009
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ParkerFarker
And how is ANY internet discussion EVER going to be helpful. No one's views are ever changed. Everyone walks out of it believing stronger in views.

I hear this sentiment a lot from people on forums, and I don't fully agree with it. I've had many occasions where I've personally come to a new understanding of subjects that interest me by reading forum discussions, and likewise there have been times when I've seen people's opinions changed and even changed a few myself. It is a very possible outcome when reasonable people engage in reasoned debate. I think too often people use this as a cop-out.

Okay, didn't wanna derail the thread there but…

ah, f— it it's an old thread anyway!

no go ahead, the thread got derailed a while ago. that said israel is a political, religious, AND cultural sore point so i never actually expected much in the way of rational debate here. just wanted the information out there.
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Poink at 11:59PM, July 20, 2009
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The only purpose of trolling is for the lulz and lolis.
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ozoneocean at 12:01PM, July 25, 2009
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It's strange that Israel felt the need to do this. They've got enough people willing to defend their honour for free as it is. Indeed, this is very strange.
 
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Orin J Master at 3:30PM, July 25, 2009
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It's strange that Israel felt the need to do this. They've got enough people willing to defend their honour for free as it is. Indeed, this is very strange.

i'd say they initally expected sending an army into the west bank to clean house to go over well, or at least get ignored. it's actually bitten them in the backside fairly hard, so they're trying to step up the disinformation with the sudden wave of actual evidence of their being just as warmongering as everyone else in the region.
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Product Placement at 5:01PM, July 25, 2009
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It's strange that Israel felt the need to do this. They've got enough people willing to defend their honour for free as it is. Indeed, this is very strange.
Actually, I don't find this move to be that strange, considering that I've seen many pro-Israel people loose allot of faith in them for the past few months. Their incredibly harsh attacks on Palestine has sullied their image to a point where they're loosing allot of support.

Many of those Israel sympathizers where people who felt sorry for the treatment that Jewish people suffered during the Holocaust. Israel's actions as of late has painted them as the bad guy, meaning that they're loosing those people now.
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ozoneocean at 8:31AM, July 26, 2009
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You mean people are only just now realising that iseael isn't a golden child that can do no wrong? Took them long enough -_-

Israel isn't alone in this kind of thing. It seems that people in the US department of Homeland security behave sort of the same way:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/nyregion/25immig.html?_r=3
Although to be fair, that is probably a little different. In this case these racialist bigots are most likely working on their own. Their views are probably why they got those jobs in the first place.
They're still carrying on the ideology of their employer though.
 
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lothar at 10:47AM, Aug. 1, 2009
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im pretty sure China has a whole army of trolls out there as well
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Orin J Master at 5:05PM, Aug. 1, 2009
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im pretty sure China has a whole army of trolls out there as well

i thought it was gold farmers? besides, they just don't allow people to see the websites that dislike them in china.
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ozoneocean at 10:37PM, Aug. 1, 2009
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Oh China surely does and that's proven. I don't think they need to pay them, It's just that they have literally millions of insanely nationalist people who se any seeing slight on their country's sovereignty as a personal attack. They react when people do anything with the Dali Lama, Taiwan, and now the Uigers. The website for the Australian International Film festival has been under constant attack from Chinese hackers and trolls since they've been showing a documentary about the Uigers.

Countries like Russia have civilian hackers who will go after their country's perceived enemies, like what happened after Georgia attacked their separatist territories and Russia beat them back, but that's in no way as broad as the Chinese stuff.

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Israel creates her own problems, especially with crap like this:
palestianian Israelis evicted from their homes to make room for new settlers
They're going to have to learn to cut out the racialism and accept that the Palestinian people are human beings with rights, families and loved ones too. Israel is a sovereign nation. The Jewish population makes up the ruling group, but the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs are also a part of that population, there needs to be more equal treatment for people there, it's not all about Hamas, Hezbolah and crap like that.No, this is governmental, institutionalised discrimination against people who are part of Israel's own population in favour from some outsiders from Russia or the US or something, just because of some fantasy of reclaimed heritage.

EH, that's a side track and a rant, But the shame of it is I'd like to support Israel, I just wish they'd cut of trying to be another South Africa. There are good people in that country like there are everywhere, it's a shame that the right wing nationalist extremists f**k it up for everyone there. You'd think they'd learn from the disasters of the Palestinian political system what happens when the right wing extremists are in control.
 
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Orin J Master at 11:56AM, Aug. 2, 2009
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There are good people in that country like there are everywhere, it's a shame that the right wing nationalist extremists f**k it up for everyone there.

this is the problem with dealing with a nation. there are, without any doubt good people inside of it, but if they don't have a say or are derided in favor or selfish agendas by a corrupt or extremist government you can't let their existence tint how you work with that nation. too many people are trying to argue that we need to work with the good people in the nation, but there's no assurance they have any say in anything.
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ozoneocean at 6:02AM, Aug. 3, 2009
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What annoys me most about arguments involving Israel is anti-Semitism-
Either from morons who use anything negative about Israel as an excuse to bash Jewish people, or by myopic pro-Israel supporters used as a way of shouting down legitimate criticism by claiming that any detractor is an anti-Semite.
Both are idiots who should stay OUT of the discussion.
 
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Sea_Cow at 8:31PM, Aug. 3, 2009
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What annoys me most about arguments involving Israel is anti-Semitism-
Either from morons who use anything negative about Israel as an excuse to bash Jewish people, or by myopic pro-Israel supporters used as a way of shouting down legitimate criticism by claiming that any detractor is an anti-Semite.
Both are idiots who should stay OUT of the discussion.

Except they make up most of it.
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Product Placement at 6:45AM, Aug. 4, 2009
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I'm reminded of something now. An article that popped up in Israel insider that claimed that Iceland was anti-semantic. It caused an uproar in my country and their message board was flooded with angry responses from Icelanders. Basically, this Jewish tourist wrote this article, mainly because he saw this:

Yes, it's an sun-cross or more popularly known as the swastika. It used to be the logo of a shipping company that's about 100 years old today. That building was built in 1920. It's a symbol of blessing and strength and was considered to be an appropriate logo for a company that was planing on opening up connections with the outside world after a 1000 year long isolation. Naturally they ran into problems during WWII and had to cover up the logo painted on the side of their ships as they sailed through allied waters and funny enough, when the British came to occupy the country, they stormed their office, thinking it was a Nazi center of some sort. They changed their logo, long time ago but the building was marked as a historical site and altering it was considered forbidden. Couple of years ago, a hotel chain bought the building and they were allowed to cover up the logo by placing the year when the building was built over it. The original logo is still under the number.

Afterward, the author of the article claims to have been attacked by 13 year old kids that saluted him with the Heil Hitler sign.

Here's the link to the article. You can judge yourself if you think these were anti-semantic actions.

Funny. It looks like they've removed all the comments for that article. I wonder why?
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bravo1102 at 8:05AM, Aug. 5, 2009
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The same insignia called the Harkaristi (mainly to diffentiate it from the swastika) was the national insignia of Finland up until the end of WWII.



As for Internet trolling to work on a nation's image; standard intelligence operations. Propaganda pure and simple. Set up your own and monitor the other guys. You'd think it was something special or something.

What? Gambling in Casablanca?
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Product Placement at 12:44PM, Aug. 5, 2009
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It's also a holy symbol for Buddhism. Apparently native Americans were aware of this symbol as well. With all this widespread history that the sun cross has, you'd think that it would be accepted as something more than a Nazi symbol.
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ozoneocean at 4:06PM, Aug. 5, 2009
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It's also a holy symbol for Buddhism. Apparently native Americans were aware of this symbol as well. With all this widespread history that the sun cross has, you'd think that it would be accepted as something more than a Nazi symbol.
There are two problems with that:

1. People have short memories and only the most recent events have much meaning.

2. Nazi Germany is a massive, horrible, evil stain. It sort of makes a lasting impression you know?

Besides, while there are still legitimate displays of the sun cross that people don't mind toooo much, other more public displays of the symbol tend to attract attention from the wrong sort of people. The last thing any of us need are idiotic neo Nazis thinking they're getting public validation.
 
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bravo1102 at 7:29AM, Aug. 6, 2009
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It's also a holy symbol for Buddhism. Apparently native Americans were aware of this symbol as well. With all this widespread history that the sun cross has, you'd think that it would be accepted as something more than a Nazi symbol.

People aren't that aware of history as ozone so eloquently stated. They don't realize that the Nazis only used one variation/incarnation of the swastika. They did not use the mirror image Swastika. It was only the opposite side of their flags and banners and usually avoided.

There was also an American Persuit squadron in the 1930s who used the Native American incarnation of the Sunwheel as their insignia. Needless to say that in 1939 it was changed.

However, the curved sunwheel as on that building was also the insignia of the Waffen SS 5th Panzer Division. That's a little more painful.

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harkovast at 4:48AM, Oct. 13, 2009
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So basically PP, what you are saying, if I can break it down to the basic argument….is that Iceland is controled by the nazis?

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Product Placement at 6:29AM, Oct. 13, 2009
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….

Sounds like you have figured us out.
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