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Loli and gore
same at 4:03PM, May 11, 2010
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lol! Misleading title.

Anyway.

Recently I found out that lolicon has been made illegal in the united kingdom. At first I lol'd but now I'm actually wondering could this affect my art? Are the laws becoming a bit over the top. Since when did art have feelings? It's only a matter of time until comics representing the likes snuff stories etc become illegal. Imagine being thrown in jail over drawing some excessive gore. But this isnt just about that. Are we basically just being told what we can and cannot create? Isn't it more harmless putting it down on paper than going out and smashing someone's head into a bloody pulp? And more entertaining. Discuss.
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El Cid at 7:58PM, May 11, 2010
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Don’t expect any big outpouring of indignation or anything. Nobody cares.

A lot of my adult artist buddies didn’t seem all that concerned years ago when the UK passed that law banning certain types of violent and fetishistic pornography. The law, at least as we ended up interpreting it, only applied to photographs, so there were apologists with their crap about “well, they’re just trying to keep real people from being hurt making that filth” and “there’s a big difference between looking at pictures of real people being tortured and looking at cartoons.” Of course to my cynical ears it all sounded like “so what? Doesn’t affect me directly!” So I guess I should be relishing the fact that now they actually are explicitly banning cartoons as well.

My guess is, now the hentai fans are standing on the sidelines shrugging. “Who cares? They’re only banning stuff where the characters look really young; they wouldn’t dare touch my wholesome schoolgirl tentacle rape cartoons.” Sure they won’t. You just keep thinking that.
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El Cid at 8:05PM, May 11, 2010
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…Isn't it more harmless putting it down on paper than going out and smashing someone's head into a bloody pulp? And more entertaining. Discuss.
It bugs me when people feel the need to justify their freedom of expression. I’m not sure I even buy this whole shtick about “well as long as they’re looking at it in cartoons, they’re not doing it for real.” I don’t think it makes much of a difference either way. But mainly I don’t think you should feel obligated to convince people that loli or hentai or whatever is performing some kind of public service in order to justify its existence. It shouldn’t only be allowed if it’s something people need. In a liberal society it should be available if people wish to have it, and prohibited only to an extent necessary to protect the rights of others from undue infringement.

EDIT: I put the wrong link in there earlier (oops!)
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God of War at 11:08AM, May 12, 2010
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It's only UK law, so it's not such big deal.

Loli and shota are child pornography, no matter if they're draw or not. I'm against censorship, but that's the truth, so don't expect too many people to complain. Yes, I'm afraid it may be the step to make larger control over comics community (Laws can be abused, they can take what is okay alongside wit what's wrong), but seriously - the only person I can believe he was ekspressing his artistic feelings by doing erotic comcis with underage girls is Alan Moore. If comics community in UK would somehow show they codemn kid's porn comcis and take care of it themselves, this would never happen.
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same at 1:26PM, May 12, 2010
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Im not just talking about the loli and shota thing. I mean censorship as a whole. Will it eventually it'll go too far andd start banning other things in art? Or is this just a standard “stop drawing nude kids” thing. I mean I did laugh when I found this out. But then i thought about if other things started becoming illegal in art. How far could it be taken?
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God of War at 3:10PM, May 12, 2010
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It will turn out as any other law - it's not surgeon's scalpel, it doesn't take only what you intended while creating it. It's jackhammer - good lawyer can prove that some certain acts may be breaking this law. That's what happened to ani-pedo law in United States and pretty much happens to all laws. Maybe not from the start, but I'm pretty sure there will be some sort of abuse, if we left idiots control it.
It's sad that's people were always showin “I don't give a shit” attuide towards loli nad shota - maybe if they would do something with this theyselves, law wouldn't be necessary.
What you can do now is to make sure this law will not be abused - for organization that will make sure that none innocent artist will have go to jail, because of this.

At last Alan Moore is lucky he released Lost Girls years ago and law don't work backwards.
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same at 4:07PM, May 12, 2010
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Although possession of these things could get you arrested. I mean. I have several volumes of the Battle Royale manga. Whos to say that couldn't get me jail time. And I certainly don't want to practice my grip on soap. It does depict under aged sex, murder, mutilation and gore. They're still under age, but not by a lot. Some places have actually taken them off shelves.
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God of War at 3:02AM, May 13, 2010
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Well, if I was you, I would just look for a good lawyer and pay him to find loopholes and/or forge defense line in the case of being acussed. But situations like this are why people in UK should create some sort of movement, to make surre innocent people will not go to jail.
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Faliat at 6:29AM, May 13, 2010
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I thought it was only brought to parliament but didn't get enough support?

Christ… All the more hypocritical that we allow ads with babies getting their arses kissed by strangers (and then there's that bepanthen ad from a few years ago where the girl baby's crotch was poorly blurred while it was being wiped like we don't know how nappy cream works) and not even batting an eyelid to 11 year old mothers anymore.

Then there's the fact that the UK is a country where you're legally able to do the deed and get married at 16 (In England and Wales you need parental consent but that doesn't stop people eloping to Scotland where you don't need it). Will this be the precursor to upping that to 18?
Will this mean that an 18 year old going out with a 16 year old and her sending him a dirty picture on his mobile will get him thrown in jail even though she is of legal age?

This nation seems to get even more sucky by the day. And I don't even like loli or shota. I knew people who do, though. But that's irrelevant. Especially since we're going SO overboard with the whole pedophile thing that some childrens play areas won't let parents in. Of COURSE that's protecting children. Keep them out of their parents' line of sight so that in the event somebody actually tempts a kid away with sweets, promises of puppies and whatnot, you won't be able to see them or if they fall over and seriously hurt themselves it'll take a crapload longer for you to get to them, as well as the fact that if you'd been there it probably wouldn't have happened.


The law is also extending to depictions of kids in the vicinity of sexual activity.
That's WATCHMEN under threat, people!
Good thing I got my copy years ago… But I now might have to burn it. Drat!

Also, why is it illegal to depict things which would otherwise be okay in a movie or TV show? Are they next? And if they are/were, would YOU tolerate the next Superbad or Exorcist being banned in your home country?

And finally, for this post anyway, a reply directed at El Cid:

It's not that nobody cares. Barely anybody KNOWS! Look it up on most UK high profile news sites and the story isn't there. I followed this issue two years ago and I thought it had been shot down at the house of lords like I wrote above.

This happened on April 6th when most of the news was focussed on the upcoming election announcement, then the first debates and after that there was the disruption caused by Eyjafjallajokull.
The news had other concerns at the time. Which they repeated again and again without putting on anything else. Like it always does…

On further inspection the bill it was part of had another bunch of pretty nasty new guidelines and stuff. One I'm pretty freaked out about is the ability to conduct secret inqests into the deaths of civillians by personnel. Like the De Menezes case.

I'm also a bit concerned about why it happened to be passed on the exact same day Gordon Brown announced that there was going to be a general election a month later. To distract the media and public perhaps?
I am not a real conspiracy theorist (9/11 is pretty much the one thing until now I've been bothered by), but it is a pretty damn shifty bill that got passed without much public awareness.

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

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Orin J Master at 8:16PM, May 13, 2010
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One I'm pretty freaked out about is the ability to conduct secret inqests into the deaths of civillians by personnel.

could you elaborate on what this phrase means here? there's a few different interpretations possible depending on how the bill defines those words.
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Faliat at 2:28AM, May 14, 2010
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Here's a link to the act in full.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2009/ukpga_20090025_en_1

Looking it up I found a lot of other really dodgy stuff. Like provocation as a legal defence for murder being removed and replaced by “lack of control”. That being defined as feeling afraid or threatened and acting accordingly.

Looks like a defense for killing loitering, hoodie-wearing teenagers to me…

Anyway, Back to the cartoon porn thingy.

I just can't get over how an illustrated child WITNESSING people doing the deed is illegal. Like these sets of lines have emotions and get confused or distressed.

EVEN IF the character is of the age of consent in the UK.

My sister and second cousin (17 and 13 at the time) saw hobos shagging in an alleyway once. If she were to create a biographical comic with that in it, she would be breaking the law and would be severely punished for it.

This law is FUCKING NUTS!

No pun intended…

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

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The law just seems really stupid now. I see certain things being necessary but really. This is just over the top.
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El Cid at 4:23PM, May 14, 2010
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It's not that nobody cares. Barely anybody KNOWS! Look it up on most UK high profile news sites and the story isn't there…
Nah, nobody cares. If it's not making the news, it because the media outlets there know nobody's going to give a damn. I mean, sure it's news to comics geeks like us but to the mainstream public all it sounds like is they're taking the pedos' wank material away, and who's going to speak out against that? Nobody wants to be associated with that scene, at least not publicly.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people really do just need to be informed. How about you go out and post a few hundred fliers around town letting people know THE GUVMINT'S BANNING CARTOON KIDDIE PORN and see if that gets the mob to take up their pitchforks. My guess is, it won't.
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Orin J Master at 5:59PM, May 14, 2010
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oh, there's no secret inquests going on in there. it's allowing them to possible witnesses to remain anonymous in murder cases and the like. which can be sensible depending on the situation.

bloody hells, did you even bother to read it for yourself, or just go over the summery?

fun fact: according to that act, marriage is indecent! all those perverts, wearing their wedding rings in PUBLIC! well, the UK'll soon have an end to that!
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Faliat at 4:53AM, May 15, 2010
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But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people really do just need to be informed. How about you go out and post a few hundred fliers around town letting people know THE GUVMINT'S BANNING CARTOON KIDDIE PORN and see if that gets the mob to take up their pitchforks. My guess is, it won't.
It's not just that, though. That's what I'm talking about. If the law is being adjusted for those euthanising the terminally ill, that usually makes the news. If the legal defense of provocation is being taken away, that type of thing usually makes the news.
And like I said. It just so happened to be the day that the general election was announced and everybody was freaking out over the possibility of a hung parliament that the act was enforced entailing both these things and others. Including the on topic issue.

And I think people will start getting worried about it when it spreads to live action TV shows and movies (Which it currently does not apply to for some reason) and some get either, banned, cancelled, censored, etc. And if it DOESN'T then it is incredibly unfair.

I could give you a list of targets if this happens… A lot of well known movies are on it and an entire genre of comedy is included.

Orin J Master
oh, there's no secret inquests going on in there. it's allowing them to possible witnesses to remain anonymous in murder cases and the like. which can be sensible depending on the situation.

bloody hells, did you even bother to read it for yourself, or just go over the summery?
I did read it That's how I found out about all the other stuff!
And we already had the anonymous witness thing.

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

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Yvain at 1:57PM, May 15, 2010
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I'm for not for censoring anything.

But then, I live in America and things could work differently in the UK, but I was under the impression that European countries were less for censorship.

I think its retarded to ban certain things because REAL people aren't being killed. REAL little girls are not being exploited.

Characters can come to be personified though. It can be a tough call for some people
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Faliat at 12:37PM, May 16, 2010
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I'm for not for censoring anything.

But then, I live in America and things could work differently in the UK, but I was under the impression that European countries were less for censorship.

I think its retarded to ban certain things because REAL people aren't being killed. REAL little girls are not being exploited.

Characters can come to be personified though. It can be a tough call for some people
They're using the excuse that it could lead to people wanting real child pornography having used cartoons as an introduction to it. Or that it could be a tracing from a real incident. It's why pseudo-photographs were already illegal.

It only makes the 16 and 17 year old thing, and the witnessing an act instead of taking part thing all the more ludicrous.


And if this is what's considered illegal, than this site itself is a SOURCE of child pornography.


Does this mean I'll have to unfave Deadfingers and Morning Squirtz?

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

- Rekkiy (NerveWire)
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Faliat at 5:51PM, May 27, 2010
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And if this is what's considered illegal, than this site itself is a SOURCE of child pornography.


Does this mean I'll have to unfave Deadfingers and Morning Squirtz?
Quoted and doubleposted out of concern nobody else seems to have even though it could greatly affect everybody on here. British or otherwise.

Yeah. I went there. I made a deliberate doublepost.

I will now be arrested for disturbing the peace.

But don't worry. Candlejack will save

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

- Rekkiy (NerveWire)
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same at 8:59AM, May 28, 2010
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I couldnt care anymore.

I think “Thats fucking stupid” stands up in court anyway.

Just carry on with it the way it is.

Aslong as youre not actually looking at pedophilia.


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Faliat at 5:52AM, May 29, 2010
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I'd be pretty damn concerned with getting something like “arrested on suspicion of possession/viewing of child pornography” anyway.

I mean c'mon. This is the UK. The public hunts down anyone, even the proven innocent, like they're witches. And you should know about that Venibles carry on. A lot of newspapers were trying to find out what his new identity was and speculating what he was in trouble with the law for and treating it like it was solid fact. Hell, they even went after the ID of the guy that hadn't done anything since leaving prison. And they were told how much it would endanger justice being carried out on what Venibles might or might not have done. The public and papers wanted to know.

Local and national media is relentless in coverage. If you're a news story to these people they'll find out everything about you down to what pitch you fart in to sell papers.

(P.S. I find it ironic that despite the attitude towards paedophiles in ths country, a lot of people wanted those guys to be sent to an adult prison at age 10.)

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

- Rekkiy (NerveWire)
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kyupol at 7:43AM, May 29, 2010
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lol! Misleading title.

Anyway.

Recently I found out that lolicon has been made illegal in the united kingdom. At first I lol'd but now I'm actually wondering could this affect my art? Are the laws becoming a bit over the top. Since when did art have feelings? It's only a matter of time until comics representing the likes snuff stories etc become illegal. Imagine being thrown in jail over drawing some excessive gore. But this isnt just about that. Are we basically just being told what we can and cannot create? Isn't it more harmless putting it down on paper than going out and smashing someone's head into a bloody pulp? And more entertaining. Discuss.

No surprise here.

United Kingdom is a police state.

https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdf
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/thought-police-muscle-up-in-britain/story-e6frg6zo-1225700363959?from=public_rss
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/unmanned-spy-planes-to-police-britain-886083.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-chiefs-back-tactics-on-suicide-bomb-suspects-469090.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-identify-200-children-as-potential-terrorists-1656027.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1541393/Britain-moving-towards-a-police-state.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258755/Families-face-fine-using-wrong-bin-household-waste-crackdown.html
http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Policing-of-Stoke-fans-raises-serious-concerns.php?id=
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=831582
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/25/police-domestic-extremists-database

Only behind China (this is debatable… as I've talked to a Chinese friend of mine who lived in China, USA, and Canada.) and North Korea.

NOW UPDATING!!!
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Faliat at 6:40AM, May 31, 2010
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Looking at those links I'm reminded of an incident a few years ago when a guy was arrested for accidentally splashing a police officer when his car drove through a puddle after heavy rain and even further back when another bloke was shot dead for carrying a table leg and somebody thought it looked like a shotgun.

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

- Rekkiy (NerveWire)
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ozoneocean at 7:20AM, May 31, 2010
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United Kingdom is a police state.
No it's not.
Stupid abuses by idiots in positions of power happen everywhere Kyu. The USA likes to imagine that it's the freest nation in the history of the world but they make your little link farm there look like playschool.

The stories in your links are mainly things that the extremely hyper-sensationalist media in Britain has blown up to Everest proportions, because that's how the press works in the UK, ever since Rupert Murdoch f**ked it up for good back in the 80's. -Sensation is the only thing that matters and the only thing better than sensation is to make a sensation out of a sensation- do that as much as possible before the original story loses its meaning. Because sensation sells papers and makes news shows and news websites extremely popular with sensation seeking audiences, which in turn makes those media properties that much more attractive to advertisers, which makes the media companies a LOT more money.
The BBC does it now too because they feel they need to compete for the audience share. And they sell their news service internationally anyway as well as advertising space on their websites.

Press SHOULD always report on abuses of power, that's their responsibility. They also have a responsibility not to fantasise and to falsely make you think that those incidents are fully representative of the whole, or all that the whole is. In that they are almost criminal.

-Key here is the fact that crime has steadily decreased in all of the UK as time has gone on, but the perception by the general public is that it's worse. That there is a rock solid fact indicating that the press has conclusively manipulated the public to have a false belief.
 
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Hawk at 1:49PM, May 31, 2010
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Stupid abuses by idiots in positions of power happen everywhere Kyu. The USA likes to imagine that it's the freest nation in the history of the world but they make your little link farm there look like playschool.

Careful, Ozone! Kyupol's beliefs do not reflect America's. Not even slightly.
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Careful, Ozone! Kyupol's beliefs do not reflect America's. Not even slightly.

You're right. My beliefs do not reflect the beliefs of the Police State enablers – both the “conservative” and “liberal” parties that are currently in control of the USA. Neocons want more wars. Liberals want more taxes.

My beliefs reflect the beliefs of the pro-liberty crowd. You know, people like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jason Bermas, Luke Rudowski, Steve Quayle, etc. As well as groups like the Tea Party, WeAreChange, 9-11 Truth, Libertarians, Free State Project, etc.

Those “crazy people” who dare speak of the Constitution.

Stupid abuses by idiots in positions of power happen everywhere Kyu. The USA likes to imagine that it's the freest nation in the history of the world but they make your little link farm there look like playschool.

USA is also turning into a police state. Watch the Police State Quadrilogy free on youtube and google.

And you talk about sensationalism? I got a question for you.

If the media is all about sensationalism, why don't they sensationalize hot topics such as:
- The Bilderberg Group?
- Satanic Ritual Abuse? (Thousands of children are missing each year!!! Where do you think they go?!?)
- North American Union? Are you for or against it?
- Where is Osama Bin Laden? If he's really this James Bond villain behind the murder of 3000 people in the WTC, why isn't the media even talking about him?
- Global warming. Is it a hoax or not?
- Are we heading into a police state? Yes or no? Are you for it or against it?
- Globalization / One World Government? good or bad? For it or against it?
- A New World Order? For it or against it?
- Chemtrails. For it or against it?
- Genetically modified foods = the real environmental problem. For it or against it?
- Are we really alone in the universe?
- Psychic abilities.
- Alternative sources of energy.
- The private central banks like the federal reserve? Support them yes or no? Fiat money or gold standard?

Why does the media sensationalize things like:
- Celebrity stuff
- The latest local murder or crime… like shootings, stabbings, etc. and they blow it out of proportion.
- The “fact” that anyone can be a terrorist. Terrorists are hiding under every rock. Thats why we need naked body scanners adn cameras and more and more police.
- The evil evil Iran and North Korea. Be scared of them. Be very. very. scared even if they're miles away. And love your own government.
- The swine flu.


Why is it that the media sensationalizes stuff that:
- doesn't really matter
- is designed to scare you into submitting to the government (or more accurately, the puppet of the bankers and megacorporations).

Hmmm…
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ozoneocean at 8:49PM, May 31, 2010
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Stupid abuses by idiots in positions of power happen everywhere Kyu. The USA likes to imagine that it's the freest nation in the history of the world but they make your little link farm there look like playschool.
Careful, Ozone! Kyupol's beliefs do not reflect America's. Not even slightly.
I never said they did. I was talking about his links to sensationalised accounts of various policies and incidents. You can find thousands accounts of similar situations from all over the US. -but that doesn't prove the US is becoming a “police state” either, all it proves is that:
1. people in positions of power often behave badly.
2. The press is not as hyper sensation driven in the US or they'd focus on those things more. Either that or the public just aren't as interested in that sort of thing in the States.
 
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Faliat at 9:49AM, June 1, 2010
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I watched the news last night and it can basically be summed up in ten words spanning over three stories and one weather report:

Old lady dies, teen boy drowns, English cricket win, rain.

You'd think they'd have more to say than that!

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
Watch mine go straight through a kevlar table, and if it dunt do the same to a certain gaixan's skull in my immediate vicinity after, I GET A F*****G REFUND! BUKKO, AH?!

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Snevilly at 10:48PM, June 4, 2010
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Ug, I think that stuff like this is subjective to the tone of the story…for instance shota and loli in a sexual tone…yuck, don't want to see it. Happy its band. But, Host club, Honi is definitly shota, but there's nothing sexual or really romantic even going on. Most of the girls just seem to think he's super adorible. (Me included.) Do I want to molest him, ew, no. Do I want to feed him cupcakes all day, yes! Some things are just still creepy even in comedy form….like…Super Shinchan or whatever it was called…x(

With gore….I don't know. I think that, again, in a sexual setting its gross. Its just feeding some creepy psycological tick and that might night be a healthy or good thing for anyone involved. However, if its dramatic or comical, like in any Kill Bill parody ever, then cool, its entertaining.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of cencorship, but the fact is, some things and people are just sick and need to be cencored…So I don't think its “government” problem, but a “people” problem…I don't know if that really makes sense.

I may just be on the weird side of things though….For instance, I refused to look at Taylor Lauten, of how ever you spell Mr. McWerewolf pants, until he was 18…it was just…weird. I think housewives who drool over him are sick. I'm only 23. It was still weird…
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Snevilly
I'm not comfortable with the idea of cencorship, but the fact is, some things and people are just sick and need to be cencored…
Really? They “need” to be censored? I don't follow. I can understand someone having a preference that these things be censored, but how is that a pressing need? What catastrophe is being averted?

Sorry, but I always find statements like that troubling, because so far as I can tell there is no actual “need” for censoring artwork. If something is so sick and so vile that no one can relate to it, then no one's going to read it anyway, no matter how much you shove it in their face. If people are reading it, then it must serve some purpose. They're not bothering you about reading your cutesy cupcake comics, so leave them alone and let them read their cannibal zombie orgy comics. Why is that so hard for people to do?

(side note: looking at the “Tomb of the King” ad on the right of the screen - who the heck uses a sword with an all metal grip? Wouldn't that be uncomfortable?)
last edited on July 14, 2011 12:20PM
Sea_Cow at 8:57PM, June 5, 2010
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Loli is pretty fucking gross. I can't say this law is breaking my heart.
I am so happy to finally be back home
last edited on July 14, 2011 3:27PM

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