Voting has begun and I haven't gotten any votes yet. That is a little bit disturbing.

Strange, I PQ'ed you a vote…

Niccea
Voting has begun and I haven't gotten any votes yet. That is a little bit disturbing.

Say Hark. If you win (seems pretty given that you're gonna win but Its better to sound unbiased) I'd like it if you'd post the game VIII recruitment post in the general discussion. That way we should get a healthy mix of newcomers and old timers.

i also sent you a vote nic

Oops, I forgot to. I'll send mine in now. :o

PP sure thing, fresh blood is always good!

Also random suggestion; Why don't you have it so that when the town vigilante dies, another one takes his place?

That might make life hard for the ID,if they are unable to remove that role.
Mind you, it would help keep the people without a good role happy.

What does everyone think?

Um, those two votes didn't count ag and red. You sent them in early. We don't do early voting here.

*dances to Walking on Sunshine to show pleasure at being likely to win this election*

And don't it feel good? HAY!

It'd be unfair for the bad guys more than it would be fair for the good guys.

So I vote for the vig to stay dead once he's been moidured.

My whole reasoning behind it is once the vigilante is dead, the townies lose their only advantage. Given the paranoid can't control who he kills, he's as much a danger to the townies as mafia if his identity is unknown. Even if the townies figure out who the mob are, they can't do squat about it because the godfather just cancels the first lynch, and if they controls either the mafia or the pardoner, they usually win.

You give the townies one extra kill per night and they might take out one more mafia assuming they're lucky or know in advance, but the vigilante is still a threat to the townies as he might be unknowingly acting on the orders of his godfather mayor, or rolling a d20 and finding one innocent victim after the next.

So for the mafia in control of the town and unknown, a living vigilante is an advantage for them as much as the townies. It's only unfair to the mafia if they were foolish enough to come out or otherwise get found out.

This is why I suggested the idea of introducing “the innocent one” or “a model citizen” or “local champion” to the game. 1-3 people are given this title and it becomes publicly know to all that they're not mafia. These people are free to run for mayor or pardoner and people are free to vote for them or not. Naturally, these people will get a huge advantage if they do decide to run but the natural drawback is that they'd undoubtedly end up being priority targets for the mafia.

The character description would be that these are the people who become the public figures behind town rallies. They fight for the people, against corruption. They're your local Martin Luther King, Erin Brockovich and Nelson Mandela. It's considered impossible that these people have any criminal connections and thus are fully trusted by all.

By introducing individuals like these it would become harder for mafia to infiltrate the election due to the huge advantage that these people would get. This doesn't mean that these people are guarantied to win, if they run for election at all. Someone who people like and trust who doesn't carry that title may still win after all.

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This is why I suggested the idea of introducing “the innocent one” or “a model citizen” or “local champion” to the game. 1-3 people are given this title and it becomes publicly know to all that they're not mafia. These people are free to run for mayor or pardoner and people are free to vote for them or not. Naturally, these people will get a huge advantage if they do decide to run but the natural drawback is that they'd undoubtedly end up being priority targets for the mafia.

The character description would be that these are the people who become the public figures behind town rallies. They fight for the people, against corruption. They're your local Martin Luther King, Erin Brockovich and Nelson Mandela. It's considered impossible that these people have any criminal connections and thus are fully trusted by all.

That might work in other games… but this is in Hark's head. MLK is a snow leapord with a flintlock rifle, Eirn Brockovich is a wolf with twin scimitars and Nelson Mandela is a claymore weilding badger. It's crazy in there.

The other thing about declared innocent people is it tightens the noose around the mafia from the getgo as there are fewer suspects. On the other hand, while they're guaranteed not to guilty, it also means they're guaranteed not to be able to kill anyone or do anything special, so the mob would probably leave them alone. That is unless these titles can be applied to townies with other roles, like medics or detectives.

Hakoshen
The other thing about declared innocent people is it tightens the noose around the mafia from the getgo as there are fewer suspects. On the other hand, while they're guaranteed not to guilty, it also means they're guaranteed not to be able to kill anyone or do anything special, so the mob would probably leave them alone. That is unless these titles can be applied to townies with other roles, like medics or detectives.

The innocence title could be given to anyone who's not a mafia, whether he's a doctor or a detective. That makes sense. However, I would draw the line to exclude anyone who can potentially kill. Vigilante and paranoid could not gain this title in my opinion. If it's only, say…. two people who are given the title of innocent, that would mean that only 10% of the entire population of 20 has been cleared. That's not so bad. We can also try giving only one person the title as an experiment.

Who knows, maybe if I ever decide to run a game again, I might go try to implement this role into the game.

P.S. We really should be using the Mafia discussion topic for these kind of talks, now that I'm thinking about it.

I remeber reading the last stages of a game of mafia (can't remeber which forum though) and the townies (there were about 3 or 4 left) had been reshuffled into vigilantes and paramedics…although this was with two mafia groups as well as the townies though.

I vote yes on continious vigs XD

=w= Maybe I'm just being a mafia sympathiser, seeing as though I'm mafia so very often~

Okay, just to shake it up, if the dragon of awesome is killed he will “pass the axe” to a random armoured kitty (not an elected official though) who will then become the new dragon of awesome until he dies.
This can continue until all armoured kitties are slain.

This will help the super ego a bit, but I can see it back firing, as the Dragons are free to target who ever they want and the new dragon may be far less useful then the old one etc.

Also, the ID characters could always lie and claim to be the new dragon….

This might unbalance the game towards the “townies”. Time will tell though. We'll see how it will work in Harks game.

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This might unbalance the game towards the “townies”. Time will tell though. We'll see how it will work in Harks game.

I'm just hoping I get a ‘mafia’ role now.

I am sure I am jumping the gun again and everyone is going to yell at me, but I made this cover picture for my mafia game.
Hope you like it, and I haven't broken yet another mafia ettiquette.

Also, if we get more then 20 players (not likely but you never know) I will add in serial killers for all the additional roles.

Each will be a classic hollywood serial killer- freddy, mel gibson, jason and so on.

now.. THAT'S AWESOME!!!! ^_^

That picture pretty much sums up what its like in my head…all the time.

You must have one splitting headache.

It is wierd that I am now forever identified as a ginger cat in a suit of armour.
When I picked the avatar, I just grabbed the first cool but not central character to appear in my comic.
Now its like my trade mark icon.
Very odd!

so hark then

harkovast
It is wierd that I am now forever identified as a ginger cat in a suit of armour.
When I picked the avatar, I just grabbed the first cool but not central character to appear in my comic.
Now its like my trade mark icon.
Very odd!

Not odd at all sir! That avatar is how a lot of us first identified you, so you know, first impressions and all.

Like the picture though. It's appropriate.