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Political Correctness...
kyupol at 8:51AM, Feb. 7, 2006
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… or Political Hypocricy?

What do you think of it?
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SpANG at 9:25AM, Feb. 7, 2006
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… or Political Hypocricy?

What do you think of it?

What do YOU think of it? You shouldn't just drop bombs and step back.

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Coydog at 12:13PM, Feb. 7, 2006
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Being in Canada, which is PC central, I live with it, but I don't let it get in the way of my life. Hint: I really, really enjoy the drubbing it gets in South Park.

Beneath the surface, there's really not much difference between our local PC bosses, the “Human Rights Commission” and a secular Inquisition. I saw one of my ex-bosses dragged through the ringer by those fine folks. Now, my old boss was a larcenous, hypocritical POS but even he didn't deserve to be almost run out of business by these parasites. I didn't want to be deprived of my employment by them either. Whatever beefs I had with my boss were between him and me, period. If I really wanted to, there were a hundred perfectly legal ways of dealing with him without bringing the PC police into it.

These agencies, to be frank, aren't really your friend, no matter their high horses and dulcet tones. Like everybody else with a bit too much power over other people's lives, they have their own interests and agenda and leave lots of innocent road kill behind them.
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mykill at 1:53PM, Feb. 7, 2006
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Well, it's the problem of truth. Outside of science, there is no truth -just belief.

So political correctness starts out well meaning and establishes certain principles as “truth”: racism is wrong, sexism is wrong, intolerance is wrong.

There's a problem though, PEOPLE are racist, sexist and intolerant, at least some of the time - almost ALL people. So, if you carry political correctness and it's new ‘truth’ to its logical extreme - EVERYBODY IS WRONG! Nobody is pc enough to escape attack.

People don't like being made wrong. So you get friction, anger. Currently “PC” itself is politically incorrect.

The problem is about “truth”. Racism just is, (I have racist thoughts and opinions myself -I don't attribute ‘truth’ to them tho) it's wrong to use racism to hurt someone. Sexism just is, it is wrong to use sexism to hurt a woman. Intolerance just is, what is wrong is to show intolerance - not feel it.

Truth is a dangerous thing, be careful what you attribute ‘truth’ to. It's true that hurting people is wrong. But the ways people hurt others are only really WRONG, when they ARE hurting others.

People are complex creatures and contain things both good and ill, the PC movement intended to deprive us of the option of making the good choice, by eliminating the choice entirely.
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LostPriestess at 3:30PM, Feb. 7, 2006
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There's a fine line between politeness, and overdone plotical correctness. I try not to say things that are blantently disrespectfull becuase….well, for lack of a better way to put it, it's not nice. I really don't see anything wrong with being nice, and I don't think I deserve to be criticized if I choose to do so.
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TheBladeRoden at 4:07PM, Feb. 7, 2006
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ozoneocean at 7:56AM, Feb. 8, 2006
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Coy and Mykill bring very interesting perspectives to bear here on PC. It does have severe flaws that do tend to mess things up for great numbers of people.

But lostpriestess brings another angle. Not all PC is evil. It started of with good intentions. It's just that things like PC tend to get hijacked by extremists, zealots, and idiots who either like to bend them to their own purposes or else they just take it way too far. We start out with a nice egalitarian, leftwing ideal… and end up with a nasty form of virtual thought policing.

It's good to put curbs on racism, sexism etc, but not to try and change people's whole way of life doing it. All the “she, he, it, police-person, visually challenged” crap we have to worry about… But that doesn't mean you have a right to abuse disabled people just because you don't like being PC.

It can make you do silly things though. I remember when I bought one of my computers, I couldn't remember the name of the sales guy that gave me a quote, so when I was speaking to the receptionist on the phone and she asked me who gave me the quote I was too embarrassed to say that the only thing I remembered about him was that he was Asian: “it was… um, er… um, uh… an Asian guy…” :oops:

I felt like an idiot. Like a racialist! Which is stupid because I didn't know his name and that was the only way I could identify him. So PC can make you into a fool if you're not careful.
Or an even bigger fool if you’re one already like me.
 
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kyupol at 9:14AM, Feb. 8, 2006
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“it was… um, er… um, uh… an Asian guy…” :oops:

I felt like an idiot. Like a racialist! Which is stupid because I didn't know his name and that was the only way I could identify him. So PC can make you into a fool if you're not careful.
Or an even bigger fool if you’re one already like me.

I remember at work, describing someone as “black guy” who I dont even know his name… I got this dirty look from this black woman co-worker of mine.

Hello. How else do I describe him? Its not like I said “N_ _ _ _” or “C_ _ _ _ _ _”

I sometimes get described as chinese, mexican, or persian… but it doesnt really bother me as long as theres not a racial slur attatched. (I know MOST racial slurs of all races… )
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mykill at 9:25AM, Feb. 8, 2006
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It's a little idiotic - when describing what a person looks like, the skin color and ethnicity is VERY relevant.

African Americans can and will take offense - but it's not you that's the problem. The problem is the police routinely harassing and arresting african americans for ‘matching a description’ that just says “it was a black man”.

If the only thing you remember is the fact that someone was Black or asian - it suggests “they all look the same to me” - which can sting. But it's a racist culture or you come from a place without diversity - you too are a victim. So act blameless.

But if it's a fact that that's the only thing you remember - share it - and work on distinguishing more next time. Were the person white or the same as you, the distinguishing features would be things like hair color, whether their jaw was full or receding, and the fullness of their lips.
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ozoneocean at 10:33AM, Feb. 8, 2006
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There is no way on earth I could remember details like lip fullness ^_^ (on anyone)
If my memory was that good, I'd be able to recall his name. The trouble isn't just recall, it's recalling something easily identifiable to others as well. The only other thing I remembered was that he had glasses, but I knew that others had glasses there too… -it was a computer shop after-all.
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I couldn't go by his clothes because he wore the shop uniform…
So it wasn’t to do with ethnicity, more to do with communication; a common dialogue that would transfer understanding. But the Idea of being PC got in the way.

It could also easily be something like this: “oh, it was the man in the wheelchair”, or: “the guy with the moustache”.
The first would seem horrific to your mad PC pusher, the second is perfectly acceptable though. So you’re not allowed to see the chair? It’s invisible? In that case we better get photographic memories, or else wise up that we're not being PC by thinking that way at all; we're just being stupid.
 
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mykill at 1:41PM, Feb. 8, 2006
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If the man had Mick jagger lips you'd remember. Or maybe it's just me - I'm visual and pay attention to people's faces.
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ozoneocean at 9:45AM, Feb. 10, 2006
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If the man had Mick jagger lips you'd remember. Or maybe it's just me - I'm visual and pay attention to people's faces.
I think I would remember that, yes…
:lol: I love that idea: “yeah, you know the one, that guy with the massive lips. Yeah, that's him: looks like his mum had sex with a cod fish… Or maybe it's just a peanut allergy or something. Hey I know: he was stung on the mouth by a swarm or hornets! Maybe it's cancer, what do you think? I reckon he superglued a bicycle inner-tube to his face by accident and just used lipstick to cover it up.” :-D
 
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