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JillyFoo at 8:50PM, April 6, 2006
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Political thread. Talk about politics here.




EDIT: that's a bummer I can't have polls… Ok… the questian is…

What's your political party you follow and why? What is the lesser of two(or more) evils? Republican, Democrat, (other party)?
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Podunk U at 6:44PM, April 11, 2006
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When so many force a choice between one or the other, why not mess with them and choose neither?
Words flow out of my mouth like a fountain. Much of it splashes unused on the ground, but when one chooses to take a drink, it often brightens their day. However, sometimes it tastes like piss and they say, “Bob your words taste like piss” and I am sad.
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Inkmonkey at 7:22PM, April 11, 2006
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I'm not loyal to either political party specifically, but I generally find myself leaning to the left more often than right.
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Chameloncholic at 11:24PM, April 11, 2006
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Sosialistisk Venstrepartiet. Oh wait, we're doing one of those american topics again.
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Hawk at 11:39PM, April 11, 2006
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I think it's important to have a good mix of both sides. Some liberal, to bring forth the new ideas, and some conservative, to keep the good things we already have. I think it's sad that some people want to completely do away with any one side.

I'm probably more conservative than liberal… though I hate to pin myself down completely on one side.
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Ronson at 5:01AM, April 12, 2006
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I think it's important to have a good mix of both sides. Some liberal, to bring forth the new ideas, and some conservative, to keep the good things we already have. I think it's sad that some people want to completely do away with any one side.

I'm probably more conservative than liberal… though I hate to pin myself down completely on one side.

I can't even figure out what a conservative is these days. Certainly not the Republican party which is altering Presidential powers, creating a radical Supreme Court and neutering Congress and the Senate.

But the Democrats are hardly liberal, voting to help credit card companies at the expense of people who get into debt, mostly due to lack of healthcare. Their stance on the immigration issue is wishy washy at best, and downright opportunistic at worst.

I'm a liberal. That means that I believe that an individual's liberties are more important than government.

In hot button issue terms, that means I oppose the death penalty (because it gives the governement too much power over people), support legal abortions (because it supports a woman's right over her own body), support national healthcare and think that there should be a minimum standard of living for the poorest Americans. I think the US should do more to help those overseas (as a government, not as individuals. As individuals, we do pretty good charity-wise).

But some of the old “conservative” values of yore are actually liberal values. Protecting the environment used to be a conservative trait (think Teddy Roosevelt), but the new era of conservatism seems to actually mean “chase money at all costs”. I definitely support more untouched wilderness areas and stict controls on pollution.

Another thing that's called a “conservative” value, but is something the Republicans have never done, is control spending. Since Reagan, every time a Republican became president and could cudgel the Congress and Senate into obedience, the spending has gone wild.

I think we could drastically reduce our budget for the military, increase spending on healthcare and education and STILL save money. I think things like the “balanced budget amendment” and fiscal conservancy are actually liberal values, because they are designed to create a government support system without an undue financial burden on the individual.

But the term liberal has become this slur used by Republicans to infer things like: irresponsible, wishy washy and unrealistic. The term conservative seems to mean: oppression, fear and obedience - and elitism of the rich.

The party most in line with my view is the Green Party, but I know the chances of it ever taking root in the US are nearly impossible.
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Ronson at 5:01AM, April 12, 2006
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Kill them all and let God sort them out? That's an option, right?

I think that makes you a conservative nowadays.
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Ronson at 5:02AM, April 12, 2006
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Sosialistisk Venstrepartiet. Oh wait, we're doing one of those american topics again.

Actually, I'd love to hear what your party stands for.
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jude_boi at 6:56AM, April 12, 2006
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Personally, i choose Democratic Socialism, the non communist type.

But when elections roll around, I'll either vote Dem or Libertarian.
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jude_boi at 6:57AM, April 12, 2006
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I think it's important to have a good mix of both sides. Some liberal, to bring forth the new ideas, and some conservative, to keep the good things we already have. I think it's sad that some people want to completely do away with any one side.

I'm probably more conservative than liberal… though I hate to pin myself down completely on one side.

so, a moderate conservative?

i kinda like that way of thinking too. It's a good way to keep a balance.
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Zwuh at 7:51AM, April 12, 2006
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The edit button. Use it, love it, take it home to meet your mother. Make it help you avoid double (or triple, for SHAME Ronson :D) posts.

Its lucky Ronson posted when he did though, this thread was teetering on the brink of pointlessness.
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Ronson at 8:06AM, April 12, 2006
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The edit button. Use it, love it, take it home to meet your mother. Make it help you avoid double (or triple, for SHAME Ronson :D) posts.

Its lucky Ronson posted when he did though, this thread was teetering on the brink of pointlessness.

I was addressing different points to different people. I know some people don't like sorting through my diatribes when I'm not talking to them.

So there.
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Coydog at 12:23PM, April 12, 2006
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I am a small-l libertarian with a “South Park Conservative” bent. I don't cotton to either “left” or “right” getting their lunch hooks into my life, my property or my wallet. If I give to a good cause, I rather it would be one where I can see my money at work, like the local SPCA, scout troops, therapeutic riding program and community kitchen, than see a distant federal govt. blow it on lavish junkets for their ministers, mollycoddling terrorists and the politically-correct fetish of the month. Lord forgive me, but I am @#@$$ sick and tired of hearing of yet another overpaid crook in Ottawa making off with other people's money in his pocket.
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Coydog at 2:25PM, April 12, 2006
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Oooh, another Penn & Teller fan? YES! I love that Bullsh!t show. I saw some DVD's a friend had just bought and I was hooked.
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ozoneocean at 2:51PM, April 13, 2006
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It's hard to support any political party when not one of them really represents even a fraction of the things you believe in… And most often you have no real choice anyway. That's what democracy is really all about: you keep people happy by pretending they have power.
Oh they do have some power, but it's like you have the choice of pears, apples, oranges, and tomatoes… But only the tomatoes or the oranges will ever be given to you, no matter what happens. And to top it all of you really wanted was chocolate all along anyway!

In contrast, monarchy has some surprising things to recommend it: you don't have ambitions people with hidden evil ideas being able to seek and gain power, the mob can never decide the political agenda, political stability is enforced through a highly ritualised system… blah, blah.
But a rigid system like that is open to abuse by crazy people with god complexes, and it’s especially nasty when they don't understand that their people are just as important to the country as they are. At least the pathetic illusion of choice you have in a democracy means you have one extra step to go to before you attempt violent revolution -anything to avert that is worth it.

My personal politics is a mixture;
I'm leftist, I support caring for my fellow man, helping the weak, the poor, and the disenfranchised.
But I don't want to change rituals, or cultural institutions. I respect history and put it in its proper context without the need to constantly reinvent it or reinterpret it in light of current trends. But I never want anyone’s religion to set the tune or have any influence on me.
I wholeheartedly support the advancement of scientific achievement and the contributions it makes to our universal knowledge base, but only if it’s done ethically, thoughtfully and intelligently. (–not just cloning yourself for body parts or blowing up the moon for minerals etc :lol: )
I also like stability in my life, safety, reliability, and I'm proud of my national heritage, I'm patriotic to a fault, but I can't stand the thought of suppressing other individuals or countries to achieve, support or maintain that…

-And various other things. The political beliefs of a thinking person are far too complex to be summed up by support for a mere political party, position, or political system.
 
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mykill at 11:10PM, April 13, 2006
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America has one political party. We are the Soviet Union almost - government run by Big Busniness (the lobbyists).

Republicans and Democrats both have the same political ideas the difference is imaginary. Basically Democrats are ‘mommy’ and republicans are ‘daddy’ - but they're the same political party really, politically speaking.

An actual different party might be the Communist Party or the Libertarian Party, those parties have fundamentally DIFFERENT political ideas.
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Jillers at 3:32PM, April 14, 2006
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I support the Working Families Party - in other words, any candidate they support, I support. I pretty much agree with what htey stand for.

http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
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Ronson at 8:22PM, April 14, 2006
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I am a small-l libertarian with a “South Park Conservative” bent. I don't cotton to either “left” or “right” getting their lunch hooks into my life, my property or my wallet.

Hmm…I wonder how true that is.

I wonder if you really don't want safe drinking water.

I wonder if you really don't want a free to use interstate system with very little tolls.

I wonder if you really don't want a police force.

I wonder if you really don't want an army.

I wonder if you really don't want wage standards or legal protections.

I wonder if you really do want a wage slave economy, anarchy in the streets, monopolies and rampant discrimination based on race, gender or religion.

Libertarians - big or small “l” - always seem to be able to ignore the huge chunk of government interference in their lives that they approve of just to get mad at the small bits that offend them.

Society has rules. It has to. Some of them drive us crazy, and some don't. Over time, the rules change. And they'll drive some of us crazy as well. Governments are the rule makers and the rule enforcers.

And they need tax money to make and enforce rules. Right now, the burden is heavily on the middle class instead of an easily shared burden. Which is one of the problems. Also the fact that we vote for people with nice smiles instead of people with understanding in economics and diplomacy.

Right now, the biggest problem with our government isn't the welfare queens or the bible thumpers - it's the corporatists working on both sides of the aisle screaming “laisez faire” (or whatever) … when what they're actually saying is “give the owners more, the workers less and give us more campaign contributions.


But don't pretend that the government hasn't helped you every day of your life whether you like it or not.

Don't make me post ”A day in the life of Joe Republican" :twisted:
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mykill at 10:34AM, April 15, 2006
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Ronson, you know - you've almost sold me on the Libertarian paradigm!

Isolationism could be the bitter pill that's needed right now in a lot of ways. The federal army right now is up to no good. Taxes are designed to rape the poor and protect the endangered wealthy elite. People are losing jobs to people in foreign nations, not illegal immigrants - kill the Federal Government and it'll be much more difficult to establish global corporation from here.

Without a federal government to pull strings, Business and politics will become accountable to local communities, represented by majorities that are poor or jobless.

See, the Libertarian government never existed, it's untried. There's nothing to point to to say : See, it doesn't work. So your condemnations are the stuff of slipperly slope reasoning, you really do not know.

What I do know is that modern American Capitalism right now seems to be functioning at levels inferior to the discredited Communism.
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ccs1989 at 7:25PM, April 15, 2006
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I'm all for the ol Rooseveltian views. Teddy Roosevelt had some good ideas, keeping business in check while keeping them afloat, and giving people a ‘Square Deal’. Then FDR had the New Deal program, which influenced the Fair Deal and Great Society programs of Truman and L. Johnson. The Vietnam war really wrecked it for Johnson though. Too bad, since his Great Society could have done more.

I think that Reagan's administration really changed things in America. For one thing, the debt. Reagan added $2 trillion onto the debt as a way to make sure that no more social programs could be passed. Social programs then became ‘wasteful’. Republicans could now call themselves ‘conservative spenders’ by not wanting the bankrupt the country through social programs. However spending $400 Billion on ‘Defense’ is perfectly okay. Because it's ‘protecting us’.

These days the republican party has become so corrupt, wasteful, and unwilling the tell the truth that it's disgusting. And Democrats are too scared to do anything about it! What the heck?! When can we get another Teddy Roosevelt or FDR up there to sock one to them and bring back power to the ‘forgotten man’? We need people like them these days.
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Coydog at 12:03PM, April 16, 2006
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If you're not really sure where you stand, this little test is quite quick and painless:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
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ozoneocean at 4:29PM, April 16, 2006
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I'd like to support a porno party, but they tend to be shallow faccists, so it's out of the question :(
 
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Linh at 12:20AM, April 18, 2006
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I'd like to support a porno party, but they tend to be shallow faccists, so it's out of the question :(
Could you please state what your party stands for?
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ozoneocean at 2:15AM, April 18, 2006
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My party? I don't have one….
You mean a porno party? :-D
There are none… It's just that when porn stars go political they tend to be mad conservitive Christians, fascists, or representing some other crazy conservitive cause.
It's too bad since the idea of a porn star party sounds so cool. The reaily is just so dissapointing.
 
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blackaby at 2:13AM, April 19, 2006
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I used to vote for the Greens in Australia, back when I lived there. That said, and despite being pro-choice, pro-gay marriage/rights, pro-immigration, pro-enviromentalist, pro-gun control, (yes, it's too early to remember what the correct ‘buzzword’ versions of those pro-hyphen terms are), I'm very much against legalisation of drugs, ‘free speech’ and democracy as a whole. I'm also a-okay with censorship.

Unfortunately - aside from having a perfect, compassionate, loving, tyrannical dictator to sort countries out - there isn't really a political alternative I can see that would really suit what I'd like from a government, so I guess my contribution to this thread is going to be along the lines of, Wahhh, I'm not happy, but I don't know how to make it right!!!
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