Jesus. Fish. Barrel. Shotgun.
I don't reduce human life to money. I have never been that kind of a person. As far as wars go, this war is a bargain.
That was circular fast. “I don't put a value on it, but its cheap.” Approaching 1 trillion dollars isn't cheap. And why not tell the 24+ thousand wounded it was cheap. Not to mention the … oh, lets even use conservative estimates and say 200,000 Iraqis. Real cheap for them, wasn't it?
Not to mention those we'll have to take care of when they get home, because this multiple tour mess is going to make for some *seriously* screwed up people.
I think we should have spent more on it to begin with.
Why not? Its not your money. Do you actually have skin in this game?
I don't disrespect the memory of those soldiers. I am pointing out this scenario:
You are the president. You have your intelligence agencies, widely recognized as the best in the history of the planet, telling you that a third world dictator with a history of ignoring the UN and the US is developing weapons of mass destruction that could be distributed through a world wide terrorist network that just flew planes into buildings killing 3000 innocent civilians on your soil.
What would YOU do?
You mean invade Afghanistan, and actually finish the job there? That would have been nice. But 1) US intelligence was disputing the facts the neoconservatives went to war with. The Office of Special Plans was put together by Cheney, Rumsfeld and friends to get around the very intelligence apparatus you say is world class because they weren't getting the answers that gave them the green light for invasion.
2) The US ignored the UN, which didn't agree to military force.
3) WMD? Where? Oh that's right, the ones destroyed during the Clinton years? You're willfully ignoring history.
4) Saddam Hussein: Secular Sunni. Al-Qaeda: Shiite fundamentalist. Bin Laden *hated* Hussein, and the feeling was likewise. How do you feel sacrificing 3000+ Americans to do a hit job for Osama Bin Laden.
For our vaunted world wide intelligence, we've been taken on a *grand* scam. Bin Laden wanted a Middle Eastern caliphate and people like Saddam Hussein got in the way. We've been taken like a frat boy in Vegas, where we wake up from a drunken stupor with no wallet and a kidney missing.
Are you willing to go down in history as the United States President that let terrorists set off gas or nuclear attacks on home soil?
The intelligence apparatus that above was “the best” says that the Iraq war increases the likelihood of your fear mongering, not lessens it. So, there's a good chance that the decisions you support *will* make you *that guy*
You seem to want to ignore the intelligence apparatus when it goes against what you believe. This is more of that faith-based foreign policy, isn't it?
You seem to be saying, “Well soldiers could die if we invaded, so I better not convince the country to invade.”
Wait a second? Soldiers could die? What are soldiers for? They are for military action. That is the whole point. They fight and perhaps die so that CIVILIANS DON'T. NO ONE WANTS SOLDIERS TO DIE.
*That* is the whole point?
The military is for defending the country, not to have military action because it gives warblogging neocons hardons. Oh, and so much for not disrespecting their memory. Like any other fair weather patriot, you want to honor the soldiers and then throw them away shamelessly because “that's what militaries do”. I don't care if only 1% of those that serve really believe in the country and honor, and want to serve a greater good, They still matter.
If you really believed the whole ‘fight and die so civilians don’t' shtick, you'd think this war all the more folly. Iraq didn't kill any American civilians. That was Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
There are times when you have to make hard decisions, and soldiers are sacrificed for the greater good. This little ego trip war wasn't the greater good, not by a long shot. These men and women died for hubris and ambition, and not to protect the United States.
But people join the military because they want to kill people and break things. That is what militaries do.
So this how you “don't disrespect the memory of the soldiers”, by thinking they are all people who joined because they want to kill people and break things.
As a friend and relative of military both current and past, I'll happily be banned for calling you a fucking idiot