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Science VS religion -A VERY well beaten dead horse,
DARKNES at 8:12AM, July 24, 2009
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I disagree
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Orin J Master at 1:09PM, July 24, 2009
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DARKNES
I disagree

yes, but with what?
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ozoneocean at 11:56AM, July 25, 2009
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lol!
It's funny how idealogical people get. They really want there to be a direct conflict with religion and science, no matter what.

If you want that or believe that, I'd say it's because you come from a very strongly religious point of view, even if you don't think that you do. Mistaking science for a rival ideology is just plain wrong.
Science has no ideology, all that is external to the discipline. When scientists (as individuals) do, that comes from their politics, beliefs, religion etc.

The real conflict is between people. Human beings. Not something inherent in these concepts, disciplines, institutions. It's in how they define their relationship with them. -and that depends on how they were educated, what they grew up understanding…

If you were brought up in a Christian, or “post-Christian” society, it's probably more likely that you subscribe to this dualistic adversarial conception of the issue, since that's the founding, central theme of that culture.

This topic opened up nicely on where people really stand.
 
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flapjack1995 at 2:51PM, July 26, 2009
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Ah… yeah, that horse is dead. Probably all of the mixed oats.
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lothar at 9:56AM, Aug. 1, 2009
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that Richard dawkins guy seems to think they are in conflict .

go watch his documentary titled “root of all evil” it's pretty good , and illustrates how religion … pretty much any religion is a mind destroyer
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ozoneocean at 11:33AM, Aug. 1, 2009
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that Richard dawkins guy seems to think they are in conflict .

go watch his documentary titled “root of all evil” it's pretty good , and illustrates how religion … pretty much any religion is a mind destroyer
He's a perfect case in point. A brilliant example actually:
A “conflict” only exists because of people like him (on all sides of that childish construction), who are basically ideologues create the idea of it.

It's complete nonsense, but people don't take the time to examine the notion, they just get swept up in the rhetoric of a charismatic speaker.

That sort of thing happens a lot. In the old days religious leaders were particularly known for it.
 
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bravo1102 at 7:27PM, Aug. 3, 2009
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It should be science and religion, not science or religion. Once upon a time Natural Philosophy sought to understand God's plan. That's how science developed.

But God became more and more remote and nearly invisible in his design. Without him at the center of it one could ask the question “Do we really need Him?” So you really can't blame the Natural Philosophers for taking Him out of the equation all together. (like Richard Dawkins. To quote Douglas Adams: “God disappeared in a puff of logic” )

Many scientists into the late 19th Century were clergy. Even they saw the widening gulf between God and His design. There were so many parts to study that the sum of them all (God) lost His place.

With String theory and Grand Theories of everything and the Quantum Universe God may be poking His head back into the equation. A diety may be the only way to explain certain fuzzy things in physics. Then we'll have new questions to answer.

Faith and religion is not bad nor is science and reason. What humans do with them is often bad. Reason and science are useful tools to temper the extremes of faith. Get out Occam's Razor and cut away the more ridiculous ideas.

It's about time for the new Science Versus Religion issue of Skeptical Inquirer
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