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Should I get a Scanner?
Glarg at 2:16PM, Jan. 12, 2007
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Im tired of being one of the few ms paint artists around here, its true i'm somewhat good with a mouth and an art program but my graphic art's just not as good as my pencil art. I need a scanner but there are a few problems.

1, I have no Idea where to by one.

2, I have no Idea how it costs.

3, My computer is running low on memory, is full with memory chips or whatever those things are, and soon my External hardrive will be full of memory.


Anyone mind helping a brother out? The real thing i need to know is how much it is.
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mechanical_lullaby at 2:56PM, Jan. 12, 2007
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depends on what kind you get… about 100 dollars for an HP one.

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mlai at 6:04PM, Jan. 12, 2007
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Nowadays you can get a quality scanner for all your drawings-scanning needs for $50. I got a $50 Canon scanner from a store in Manhattan (y'know, New York City, where everything is expensive), and it's still significantly better than the scanners I bought years ago.

For line drawings, you only need 300 dpi (scanning quality), but you can't even find scanners of such low dpi quality anymore.

It's definitely worth it.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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subcultured at 6:18PM, Jan. 12, 2007
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you can get a $99 tablet and do your comic digitally
J
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hat at 8:49PM, Jan. 12, 2007
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Mine costed like 12 bucks, used.
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mlai at 5:26AM, Jan. 13, 2007
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Tablets are crap. They will NEVER replace the pen and pencil. At least, not at the level of detail I work with.

However, they're very good for touching up your scans and applying your CG colors/grays.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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subcultured at 8:37AM, Jan. 13, 2007
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i do all my art with a tablet, i even inked with a tablet back in the days

this was a cover I did that was published for a small press punk magazine


and as for detail, a digitally inked page from my defunct comic “bilaran wars”
J
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Glarg at 8:55AM, Jan. 13, 2007
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holy shit o_o!

Well price worthy, i could either get a scanner thats somewhere around $100-$50
or I could get a tablet for about $99.00



Clear winner there


now for quality, i dont actually care, as long as its better then my sucky ms paint drawings.

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Terminal at 9:15AM, Jan. 13, 2007
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Drawing on tablets takes some practice at first, it'll take some getting used to, after you're pretty confotable, it'd lke drawing on paper. Having a scanner is basically the same, draw on paper and scan. The good thing is that tablets remove all smudges and if you screw up on a drawing, all you have to do is ctrl-x. Scanners, er, scan everything, this makes pencil smudges, and eraser marks apparent.
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mlai at 11:44AM, Jan. 13, 2007
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It'll never be like drawing on paper, because you're not looking at the tip of your “pen.” You're looking up at the screen. That is a big disconnect.

He's got some nice simulations of pen/brush work there.

I can see the good points of tablet. But for some artists, ink/paper will never be replaced.

(Well, until you draw on where you see, that is.)

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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ozoneocean at 12:14PM, Jan. 13, 2007
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mlai
(Well, until you draw on where you see, that is.)
Tablets like that have been around for years, they're just more expensive. ;)

…I've read about whole classes of young students in schools in Japan being fitted out with tablet computers loaded with a Mya sketch program insted of sketchbooks for their drawing classes.

The main trouble with tablets (weather you draw on a screen or not), is texture: Most tablet drawing feels exactly the same, but different kinds of paper and different materials all feel different when they connect in the act of drawing or painting. You can get special styluses with different sorts of nibs, but the choice is extremely limited and just as artificial.
 
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subcultured at 3:10PM, Jan. 13, 2007
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it's not really a disconnect, it's a frame of mind…it's like reading the other way for manga…after a while it just becomes natural as your brain compensates.
J
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mlai at 8:39AM, Jan. 14, 2007
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Dude, humans have been drawing on where they see since shamans painted mammoths in caves.

For non-detailed art, it's not too bad. But if every 0.1mm matters, it's huge. And yes, 0.1mm doesn't matter for your art style.

What that means is that even though your art can have details, fine lines, and such, if an eyelash deviates 0.1mm, it doesn't make a difference for you. For me, it's a HUGE difference. Because that's my style.

If I learn to draw on big paper, it'll prolly be no difference to me then. But then I cannot see “the big picture” at a glance, because the area is too big. It's just my fault for being a micrographia artist.

When I'm bona fide rich I'm gonna buy myself one of those tablet screen computers…

The texture is important too, but THAT is something the brain can eventually compensate for.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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ejg at 6:18PM, Jan. 14, 2007
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I realy need one but.I too lazy and broke to get one sometimes I feel like bracking in to my neigbours house and stole theres Yeah! I am just gana do that right now muuuahhhaaaaaaa!
I don,t like yugiho! buth I like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7UX1xSEfU
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Terminal at 6:44PM, Jan. 14, 2007
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ejg
I realy need one but.I too lazy and broke to get one sometimes I feel like bracking in to my neigbours house and stole theres Yeah! I am just gana do that right now muuuahhhaaaaaaa!


…the hell?
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ejg at 7:03PM, Jan. 14, 2007
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the hell|? the hell yeah you have a provlem whit what I am doing well then screw you( Oh an pleace don't call the cops on me)
I don,t like yugiho! buth I like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7UX1xSEfU
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BigFishComic at 10:28PM, Jan. 14, 2007
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have you tried checking reviews for scanners on cnet or amazon or something?
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Black_Kitty at 11:21PM, Jan. 14, 2007
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Personally I think a scanner is a good investment for an artist. I have a tablet too but I don't think I quite got over the learning curve so I suppose there is a bit of bias to what I say.

Basically for me, it's the issue of texture that Ozoneocean talked about. Everytime I draw using the tablet, I'm very aware that I'm drawing plastic on plastic. With a pencil, I can vary the pressure of my hand or turn the pencil in my hand so that I'm using a different side of my pencil. I can feel the paper and you can get a sense of the mark making process.

I know I can do the same thing with a tablet but I think the experience is different. I haven't quite figured out how to use pressure sensitivity to my advantage and if I want to vary the width or sharpen a line, I have to stop and adjust that with whatever program I'm using.

I'm not saying a tablet is bad but I think the experience is slightly different than drawing with pencil. I would love to get one of those tablets where I don't have to look up at the screen to draw (and it has a bigger work area than 5 inches.) Unfortunately, they cost too much. :S
  
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ccs1989 at 7:23AM, Jan. 15, 2007
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A scanner is a better investment than a tablet. I know artists who draw whole comic pages using a tablet, but it usually takes longer, because everyone's so used to drawing on paper. That disconnect of looking up instead of down on your hand and exactly what you're drawing is something I don't really like. Besides, I like having an original copy of something, so that if my computer goes ballistic, at least I have the original work in a drawer somewhere.

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Black_Kitty at 10:25AM, Jan. 15, 2007
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I think it also has a lot to do with objectives as well. Anyone who's seriously considering a career in art or is an art student of some sort should get a scanner first then a tablet. If you're just having fun and messing around, then get whatever rocks your boat.

The bottomline is that a tablet will not make you a better artist. It's a tool just like everything else. A scanner wouldn't improve your artwork either but it would be something that builds upon what you draw (you would have to have something to scan. Sort of like how you need to draw something in order to ink it.)
  
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Hawk at 11:24PM, Jan. 15, 2007
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Black Kitty is absolutely right. Scanner, then tablet.

Also, mlai is right about even a cheap scanner being good. My $50 Microtek scanner (six years old!) is perfectly fine.

But I will argue mlai's sentiment that a tablet is crap. It surely won't replace a pencil and paper, but it does a great job of replacing paint, markers, and canvas when you know how to use it. I haven't yet found a paintbrush with an Undo button.

Hey Mike, where can I find your comic “Fight”? I used to love it and now your sweet banner for it does not lead me to it.
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subcultured at 11:35PM, Jan. 15, 2007
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i actually went straight to tablet, in my belief I just didn't wanna waste paper or art materials. with tablets it has a cleaner look because there's no noise coming from the paper
J
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mlai at 5:10AM, Jan. 16, 2007
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But I will argue mlai's sentiment that a tablet is crap. It surely won't replace a pencil and paper, but it does a great job of replacing paint, markers, and canvas when you know how to use it. I haven't yet found a paintbrush with an Undo button.

Hey Mike, where can I find your comic “Fight”? I used to love it and now your sweet banner for it does not lead me to it.

Yeah, I guess if you're using a mouse currently for anything from what you've scanned, having a tablet is way better.

A tablet can be used as a mouse for Photoshop duties correct? I'm just thinking that it can be like “a mouse but 50x more natural and accurate.”

Heh heh… The truth is that me and Ed started working on FIGHT 2 since Dec 2006. We'll start posting after we have 2 chapters finished, and we'll archive what we have for FIGHT 1 somewhere, for reader reference.

No, we never finished FIGHT 1, but we just had to draw FIGHT 2, because it's much better and also shorter (we might actually have a chance of finishing FIGHT 2).

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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AQua_ng at 7:05AM, Jan. 16, 2007
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Remember, scanners and tablets can also be used for other purposes. DOn't forget to put that into perspective.

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mlai at 10:46AM, Jan. 16, 2007
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Just remember not to put all your weight on the scanner when using it for its alternative purpose. It's not as sturdy as a Xerox machine. :)

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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