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subcultured at 9:26PM, April 20, 2007
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here's a really crappy phone pic of the joker on the upcoming batman flick. i'm wondering if his costume is just green hair. I guess it's better than the stupid costumes in the past flicks.

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Inkmonkey at 6:57AM, April 21, 2007
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Well, word on the street is that Joker's not going to look “clown white” so much as “deathly pale”. Though I've also heard that his clothing is going to be more ragged than dapper, but the suit there looks pretty nice to me…
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subcultured at 8:06AM, April 21, 2007
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i like the more realistic approach they are doing with the new batman.
the franchise failed when they ventured of to LaLa land…trying to get kids to watch it. so they created more flashier costumes and plots that made no sense.




and the unforgetable bat nipples (maybe if they transfered the nipples to silverstone it wouldn't have been so bad :) )



burton's batman wore costumes that they created themselves i.e. catwoman.
penguin didn't really have a costume, just a suit.

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ozoneocean at 9:54AM, April 21, 2007
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These characters without silly fantasy costumes are just ordinary action movie villains…
If you want that, why not just watch Die Hard or and old 80's Schwarzenegger film? :)
 
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ozoneocean at 9:56AM, April 21, 2007
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bat nipples (maybe if they transfered the nipples to silverstone it wouldn't have been so bad :) )
Definitely!
 
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subcultured at 10:11AM, April 21, 2007
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the costumes doesn't make the character.
if you have a good actor and a good script, he can be menacing.

i.e. hannibal lecter. that mask would not be considered a costume since it was crucial to the plot (protect others from biting).

it was the same as scarecrow's costume in the first flick (it was a gas mask that doubles as a scary mask to scare people as he gassed them)

2-face having flashy neon never made sense, or why ivy had that crazy hair. most of the old shamacher characters had just very superficial personalities. i found the last shumacher flick insulting. it was all flash and no guts.

and i look for movies that have more meaning to….even if it is about a man in a batsuit.
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Inkmonkey at 10:21AM, April 21, 2007
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I'm not so thrown off by Ivy's hair as I am by those crazy eyebrow things she has. Seriously, what are those? Do they do anything? Does anyone actually wear stuff like that? Personally, my favorite Ivy costume seems to be her most common one these days; just naked with barely enough leaves growing on her to cover her naughty bits.
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ozoneocean at 10:32AM, April 21, 2007
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….even if it is about a man in a batsuit.
And that's the thing… It's a fantasy action movie about characters that're defined by their appearance. If you want more “real” characters, there are plenty of non-fantasy action films out there. ;)

I agree with you about characters that are good without crazy costumes, but then I don't watch many superhero films. If I did though, I'd expect flashiness, I'd demand it!

I did actually see the Batman film with the Ridler in it (don't remember what it was called), Carey was as terrible as he always is in everything, but the flash, sets and costumes were a treat. :)

If a character walks around in nothing but a few whisps of delicately clinging ivy, that's the stuff for me! :)
 
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subcultured at 10:50AM, April 21, 2007
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the bat suit was practical in the latest flick.

-bat form tied in with controlling criminals with fear.
-mostly all black none of that shiny shit that shumacker put on or that yellow bat sign. conceals him like a ninja (which he was trained with ra's al goul)
-spikes on his bracelet was used as a weapon and not just for flash or making it look cool
-the mask was armored
-wings were used for gliding and for concealment

^that shows that the writers and producers took the time to get a lot of details rightby fleshing out the character (both wayne and batman) and earns my respect and money.

plus the fact that bale is an awesome actor (equilibrium, harsh times, reign of fire, american psycho, The Machinist)and can play both wayne and batman almost flawlessly


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ozoneocean at 11:03AM, April 21, 2007
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Nice reasoning, I'll grant you that, but would you be scarred of him?
 
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subcultured at 11:11AM, April 21, 2007
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if batman cartoons, comics, and movies didn't exists

it's the same effect of samurais wearing a fearsome mask during battle.

it makes thier enemies think that they are demons and hard to kill

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ozoneocean at 12:03PM, April 21, 2007
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No, that doesn't equate: Samurai's existed in a cultural context. What they wore weren't unusual costumes to the people of the time, It was functional, ceremonial, traditional, and fashionable armour that had gradually evolved within their society over many, many decades. While the batman outfit has no precedent, it pops up out of no where and takes a suspension of disbelief in order to be thought of as convincingly scary, intimidating, or even sensible. And if that's so, why not extend that sphere of suspension to the villains as well? ;)

Personally, I think you tread a very tricky line when you try and apply reality to the superhero genre, because when you take it a bit further you invalidate the entire premise! I liked what they did in unbreakable though.
 
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SarahN at 12:18PM, April 21, 2007
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…he will still have the twisted smile right? If he only gets paler and green hair that is really not enough to drive someone over the edge to a life of threatical joke-based homicide.

“OH GOD! MY HAIR IS GREEN! NO AMOUNT OF HAIR DYE WILL CHANGE THIS!!” *goes crazy*
"HAHAHAHAH! I AM ALMOST CLOWN-LIKE!"

….is he missing eyebrows?

I actually thought Jim Carrey was perfect as the Riddler…it was just the dialogue and over-goofyness that was imperfect.
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Inkmonkey at 12:18PM, April 21, 2007
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The problem with the Schumaker costumes were that they defied the logic even within the movies. With Batman presented as a calculating, intelligent character, devoid of humor (for the most part), and not one to play around, it's bizarre to see him designing such garrish and unusual costumes. With the new film the costume is still “unreal”, but it fits into the logic of the world in which it is placed.
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subcultured at 12:32PM, April 21, 2007
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what ink said.
the world fits.

where they have samurais in top of mountains training to be city enders.
or a psychopath doctor that spikes the city water supply with hallucinagens
then you have a man who wears a body armor design to put fear in the hearts of criminals.

it wasn't the real world, but in some parts it was more real than the past bat flicks. We each enjoy superhero movies, and some kids that grew up on superhero movies (like me) want thier suprheroes to grow up too. the stories to be more detailed and less fluffy. complicated characters and complex situtions.
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fern at 12:37PM, April 21, 2007
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i loved batman begins.

they finally got down to what batman is all about.

depression.
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subcultured at 12:40PM, April 21, 2007
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the one thing i hated about it was Tom Cruise's wife…why the hell is she there?
she can't ACT!
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LIZARD_B1TE at 2:35PM, April 21, 2007
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Wait… they're making a sequel to Batman Begins?

AWESOME!
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SarahN at 11:23PM, April 21, 2007
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I personally found the Batman Begins movie….very meh. YES it was still way better than the Schumacher movies…but I was just….bored.

I was also dissapointed that a movie with a big FEAR premise had so little of the Scarecrow. Next to Joker, he is my favorite Bats villain…so it made me sad that dumb old Ra's, for some reason, was the boss in all of this. >:/

Frankly, none of the live action Batman movies have held a candle to the animated movies like Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker.

I'm kinda getting off-topic though…so yeah. ^^;
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ccs1989 at 7:53AM, April 22, 2007
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Frankly, none of the live action Batman movies have held a candle to the animated movies like Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker.


Yeah, those will always be the best Batman movies.
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subcultured at 12:07PM, April 23, 2007
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ummm…the crow?

joker make up test

you know..with the budget that they get they should just go all out and make it look like the villan from ichi the killer
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Inkmonkey at 6:26PM, April 23, 2007
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Hrmmm… it's really hard to tell from that static pic. If they had a shot of him doing the maniacal laughter I could say more about it… it does look interestingly more realistic, but I can't tell just from that whether or not it “works”.
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SarahN at 7:11PM, April 23, 2007
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That picture…I'm not feelin' it yet…I ain't. =/

Dude, why can't they just find someone who looks like Conrad Veidt!?
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subcultured at 7:18PM, April 23, 2007
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That picture…I'm not feelin' it yet…I ain't. =/

Dude, why can't they just find someone who looks like Conrad Veidt!?


whoa…if that ain't a reference to the joker i dunno what is

The Man Who Laughs (1928)

Gwynplaine, son of Lord Clancharlie, has a permanent smile carved on his face by the King, in revenge for Gwynplaine's father's treachery. Gwynplaine is adopted by a travelling showman and becomes a popular idol. He falls in love with the blind Dea. The king dies, and his evil jester tries to destroy or corrupt Gwynplaine. Unlike in the original story by Victor Hugo, the lovers escape to France. Written by Helen Elsom {helenel@sco.com}
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Hawk at 12:41AM, April 24, 2007
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Hmmmm… Yeah, I hope he looks more like Joker when he gets into character. That, and you add the right lighting and stuff… I guess he could really start to do it then. One big problem is that I'll likely be comparing him to Jack Nicholson

You know what Joe Schumacher's deal is? He was actually a costume-designer-turned-director. I think he used his past experience as a license to go overboard. And it wasn't just the nipples, now Batman has ice skates in his boots for some reason.
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marine at 2:12AM, April 24, 2007
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I wonder, dose Harley Quinn make an appearance?

Although, I gotta say, fuck the new Batman, for two reasons. Number one, DC comics sucks. Number two, its not The Dark Knight Returns film it should be.
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subcultured at 6:26AM, April 24, 2007
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that's true
an ancient batman coming out of retirement would have been a cool film
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Crazy Dutchman at 7:42AM, April 24, 2007
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I'm totally looking forward to this :) Batman Begins was great. Not the best Batman movie, because that was Batman Returns! But BR didn't represend the Batman comic book atmosphere. Begins did a better job at that point. But returns is just 100% Burton and also Elfman did a fantastic job with the music (like always) and it had DeVito!! It's almost like he made it specially just for me.
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kingofsnake at 9:45AM, April 24, 2007
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I always thought Jim Carrey was perfectly cast as The Riddler, that movie was awful, and no casting could save it.

I always liked how in the animated series the Riddler was usually smarter than Batman. He would have the bait, a little riddle that was easily solved, but then he'd also have the trap which was some ridiculously hard riddle, batman would be stumped and finally be like “eff this I'm just going to smash my way through it.”

I really like the ideas I've heard about the upcoming Joker.
-Smile with no laughter
-Clockwork Orange inspired

As much as I love “The Killing Joke” and the cartoonish antics of Mark Hamil's animated joker. A more serious more “creepy homicidal” Joker is just the thing for the next Batman.
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ccs1989 at 2:26PM, April 24, 2007
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Hmmmm… Yeah, I hope he looks more like Joker when he gets into character. That, and you add the right lighting and stuff… I guess he could really start to do it then. One big problem is that I'll likely be comparing him to Jack Nicholson

Yeah, I'll be comparing this new Joker to Mark Hamill.
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