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The Nazi kid thread reminded me of this
Warpedwenger at 10:45AM, Jan. 25, 2009
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I want everybody to know how fucking backwards my state is:
http://www.tennessee.gov/environment/parks/NBForrest/
Yes there is a State park honoring one of the founding members of the Ku Klux Klan.
I want to get the word out as much as possible in hopes to have it changed. I've already written a letter to my Governor Phil Bredesen but I never recieved any type of response.
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7384395948urhfdjfrueruieieueue at 12:49PM, Jan. 25, 2009
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They named the park that to remind it that sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense.
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Ironscarf at 1:26PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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And then it's on Pilot Knob Road? What in god's name were they doing down there?
I guess back then there wasn't much entertainment at night.
 
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rufus_edge at 1:48PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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They named the park that to remind it that sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense.

Also, “shit happens”.
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PIT_FACE at 1:58PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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They named the park that to remind it that sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense.

then that's what they should have named it cuase you know, naming parks and monuments after people is usually an HONORARY thing.
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lba at 3:40PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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As I recall they named it that in honour of his rather brilliant cavalry tactics not his racist policies. The guy was an asshole, no doubt about that, but when it came to horses and war there probably wasn't an asshole better suited to the job.
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Ironscarf at 5:04PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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That settles it Warpedwenger: what you should do is lobby for a plaque on the park entrance with Iba's quote:

Iba
when it came to horses and war there probably wasn't an asshole better suited to the job.

Beautiful.
 
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Hakoshen at 5:15PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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They named the park that to remind it that sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense.

Also, “shit happens”.

Someone had to say it.

Also, I agree.

Ironscarf
That settles it Warpedwenger: what you should do is lobby for a plaque on the park entrance with Iba's quote:

Iba
when it came to horses and war there probably wasn't an asshole better suited to the job.

Beautiful.

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Warpedwenger at 10:05PM, Jan. 26, 2009
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OK So let's look at it this way. Hitler invinted the autobahn which also inspired American Interstates. So why don't we remember him for that? Germany should make a National park dedicated to that memory. I don't want my state honoring a man who is without a doubt the greatest villain to ever come from it.
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patrickdevine at 10:24AM, Jan. 31, 2009
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Looks like the article about the park decided to gloss over the whole bit with bedsheets and lynchings. Kind of like how the Ira Keller Memorial Fountain neglects to mention that he flattened most of South Portland to build freeways and displaced entire neighborhoods.
And I agree that it is really crappy to lionize one of the worst people in our history by naming a park after him. When was this park named? I'd like to think that we've progressed a little since 1915.
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seventy2 at 1:51PM, Jan. 31, 2009
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OK So let's look at it this way. Hitler invinted the autobahn which also inspired American Interstates. So why don't we remember him for that? Germany should make a National park dedicated to that memory. I don't want my state honoring a man who is without a doubt the greatest villain to ever come from it.

he also helped with such great train schedules. no other place has a train system compared to europes. also prolly one of the greatest military minds in history.
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Warpedwenger at 4:21PM, Feb. 1, 2009
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And I agree that it is really crappy to lionize one of the worst people in our history by naming a park after him. When was this park named? I'd like to think that we've progressed a little since 1915.
That's an interesting question I would like to find that out myself.
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Product Placement at 4:43PM, Feb. 1, 2009
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Prolly one of the greatest military minds in history.

I don't think he was that great of a military mind. The Germans sported some of the greatest military minds of the time and Hitler had an expert staff to help him organize the war. The tactic used to conquer France was based on the Schlieffen Plan which was developed before WWI. They tried utilizing it in during the first war but it failed due to many complication that they hadn't factored in. When it was time to try again, they had modified the plan and had more modernized armory to play with which is why it was such an astounding success.

Hitler also did allot of mistakes during the war. Many which are believed to have drastically altered the outcome of the war, had he acted differently.

It's funny really how that man is now the embodiment of all that is evil. We've never really had an individual that's been that capable of gathering such disdain towards like him.
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FinleySharpe at 7:18PM, Feb. 1, 2009
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I think it's funny that any conversation about anybody considered evil pretty much always leads to Hitler. I do the same thing, but it's still funny to me.
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Product Placement at 11:45AM, Feb. 2, 2009
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It makes me wonder who was the number one choice of discussion whenever people talked about evil before everyone's favorite fuhrer came along.
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lba at 3:36PM, Feb. 2, 2009
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It makes me wonder who was the number one choice of discussion whenever people talked about evil before everyone's favorite fuhrer came along.

Tsar Nicolas? Ivan III? I'm betting it was a Russian.
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ozoneocean at 7:59PM, Feb. 2, 2009
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Not the Tsar. Even Russians thought he was a bumbler.

“Evil” people:
-Vlad the impaler.
-Napoleon Bonepart.
-Charles the first.
-James the first.
-Judus.
-Cain.
-Rasputin.
-Black Beard.
-Guy Fawkes.
-Mary Queen of Scots.
-Countess Elizabeth Bathory.
-Ivan the Terrible.
-Catherine the Great.
-Lucrezia Borgia and the rest of her family.
-Genghis Khan.
-Attila the Hun.
-Mohamed.
-Saladin.
-Cardinal Richelieu.
-The Marquis De Sade.
-Robespierre.
-Xerxes.
-Darius.

Those are from the top of my head. The list goes on and almost all suffer from a great deal negative propaganda and not a few lies… As well as people unfavourable to them writing the history books lol!
 
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lba at 8:44PM, Feb. 2, 2009
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Not the Tsar. Even Russians thought he was a bumbler.

“Evil” people:
-Ivan the Terrible.

Isn't Ivan the Terrible's real name Ivan III?

And hey, we've had plenty of bumblers make it to the top of the list you know?

And while we're at it, let's toss Lenin and Stalin in there. I think purging at least 20+ million of your people is good enough reason.
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ozoneocean at 8:53PM, Feb. 2, 2009
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Stalin was only the evil purger AFTER he died though, because that was mostly a secret. ;)
Besides, purging doesn't automatically make you evil. Mao purged many, many more, but he's still a hero.

But for Stalin… if you want to go post-Hitler there's Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, Gadaffi, Nixon, Bush Jnr, Noreaga, Pol Pot, Marcos…

People personally responsible and evil… Geoffry Daumer (spelling), Bundy…
 
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Warpedwenger at 9:04PM, Feb. 2, 2009
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Stalin was only the evil purger AFTER he died though, because that was mostly a secret. ;)
Besides, purging doesn't automatically make you evil. Mao purged many, many more, but he's still a hero.

But for Stalin… if you want to go post-Hitler there's Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, Gadaffi, Nixon, Bush Jnr, Noreaga, Pol Pot, Marcos…

People personally responsible and evil… Geoffry Daumer (spelling), Bundy, Ozoneocean…
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ozoneocean at 9:57PM, Feb. 2, 2009
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People personally responsible and evil… Geoffry Daumer (spelling), Bundy, Warpedwenger…
>_>
 
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Senshuu at 5:25AM, Feb. 3, 2009
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Oh. I never knew about that park. I live in TN, too.
…Maybe I should also write.
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Warpedwenger at 3:36PM, Feb. 3, 2009
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Oh. I never knew about that park. I live in TN, too.
…Maybe I should also write.
ORLY? Which part I live near Knoxville. Oh and yes right Bredesen and tell your friends. Let's change that parks name to something less evil.
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Product Placement at 4:05PM, Feb. 3, 2009
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“Evil” people:
-Saladin.
Not Saladin! I liked his performance in Kingdom of Heaven. ^^

Hmmm… names for the park….

Genghis Kahn sightseeing tour.
Vlad the impaler family fun breakfast place. (you'll laugh if you know the myth)
Xerxes hates narrow passes park.

Hmm… any other suggestions?…
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ozoneocean at 7:02PM, Feb. 3, 2009
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“Evil” people:
-Saladin.
Not Saladin! I liked his performance in Kingdom of Heaven. ^^
Yeah… “evil” depends on your point of view :)
I like Saladin too… Or Sah-La-Din or however they write it…

But in terms of point of view, that's very applicable to the park: from the point of view of people in the community where that park will be and the country where it is, that man is most definitely “evil”, so it's quite valid and sensible for people to want it dedicated to someone else.
 
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Warpedwenger at 7:25PM, Feb. 3, 2009
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But in terms of point of view, that's very applicable to the park: from the point of view of people in the community where that park will be and the country where it is, that man is most definitely “evil”, so it's quite valid and sensible for people to want it dedicated to someone else.
I agree with the “evil is relative” idea to a degree. But who could argue that ending someones life because their skin is different from yours is not evil? Certainly there is no question that NBF was an evil man.
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ozoneocean at 7:27PM, Feb. 3, 2009
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I agree with the “evil is relative” idea to a degree. But who could argue that ending someones life because their skin is different from yours is not evil? Certainly there is no question that NBF was an evil man.
Not to himself and the racialist bastards that followed him :(
That's the problem.

If evil was a universal concept that everyone could agree on, I doubt there'd BE any evil in the world.
 
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Senshuu at 5:13PM, Feb. 4, 2009
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But there are those rare few people who are huge dicks, know it, and admit to liking it.
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harkovast at 6:13AM, Feb. 27, 2009
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News flash- Everyone in history was an asshole!

Why get upset because they named a park after that jerk? He is hardly histories worst offender!
The named a whole state in America after George Washington and he owned slaves!
What about Thomas Jefferson? He didn't just own slaves, he raped em too!
Ever heard that quote “I have not yet begun to fight!”? Sure you have. It was first said by a US naval commander in the war of 1812. He herroically defeated the british ship after a truely desperate battle and then was really respectful of the other captain, refusing to accept the guys sword when he surrendered, because he felt the other captain had fought so well. Sounds like a stand up guy, right? Well later he got into trouble due to his tendancy to have sex with young boys.
Yeah, like I said, they are all assholes!
And thats just a couple of American examples! I can do the same for practically every historical figure that ever lived!
Alexander the Great- Mass murderer of civilians, even murderered his own lover (yeah, really great)
Richard the Lion Heart- Was an arrogant, ignorant moron. So much so that he managed pissed off his allies so they wouldn;t suport him (and later took him prisoner and he had to get a ransom paid to get free) and then got killed while arrogantly showing off infront of the enemy castle without his armour on (the other side shot him.) Lion Heart? Jackass Brain!
Shakespeare- Wrote an anti-semetic play, containing a greedy jewish money lender (and we teach this guy's stuff in schools.)

Sad fact, every historical figure of any importance has aspects of their personality or history that are offensive to modern audiences.
To pick out one of them as bad seems to turn a blind eye to the crimes of so many others. Either never name anything after anyone in history or just accept the fact that all your ancestors were bad people, and you should all feel bad.


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