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Abt_Nihil at 5:25AM, March 19, 2011
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I usually don't complain about designs before I've seen them in action, but damn… this is one of the worst costume designs I've ever seen. (I think it's so obvious that I don't even have to start giving reasons :P)



Below: I found this photo of a costume that was used on Smallville (for the record, I've never watched the show), and in comparison it looks so much better.

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Product Placement at 6:13AM, March 19, 2011
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Like it or not, it seems like they're trying to be faithful to the original design, while at the same time trying to appease feminists by making her wear pants.

All in all though, I think this costume is always doomed to look silly in live action territory, as opposed to animation/comic. I mean… most of the stuff the X-men were wearing would have looked utterly ridiculous, had the director wanted to be faithful to the original costumes in the movies.
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ozoneocean at 6:20AM, March 19, 2011
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I don't see how the other one is any better apart from the vaguely Centurion style kirtle.

For the top one the pants are dumb- just go with the star undies for goddess's sakes (ha), it's tradition! Don't wear tight pants unless you're showing a cameltoe, that's sort of the rules when it comes to this stuff.
The “metal” bits are WAaaaaaaay too plastic looking. You've got a TV budget, just get them made out of actual metal (that actually LOOKs metal), it's fricken easy.
The bodice is too boobular. It looks too small for her chest. That'd be great in some medieval or baroque themed costume show, but just looks like she's desperate to pick up at a club here.

I mean, really… If you want to talk “practicality” star undies are actually way more practical and way easier to do all her fighting, running and climbing in than stretchy disco pants (they'd ride up, restrict and split). And the bodice is basically a launching cradle for her tits- instead of a star in the middle there should be a timer counting down till lift-off.

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It doesn't actually bother me very much at all and I'm not interested in watching it, I'm just having too much fun criticising it :)
 
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Abt_Nihil at 8:25AM, March 19, 2011
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I don't see how the other one is any better apart from the vaguely Centurion style kirtle.
I pretty much like everything about it better, most importantly: The materials look real, and not as if they're taken from some fetish porn. I could actually believe this what amazons in the DC universe would wear. I can't see how any self-respecting amazon could wear the other latex-y costume :P My second big gripe about the latex/plastic costume - the ridiculous push-up chestpiece - is also solved nicely by the Smallville costume. Plus it has some nice detailing, whereas the latex/plastic costume looks like everything vaguely resembling a texture was made using cheap Photoshop effects T_T

Apart from that, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. And while I don't care too much either, I thought it was just far too stupid to ignore :P

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Like it or not, it seems like they're trying to be faithful to the original design, while at the same time trying to appease feminists by making her wear pants.
It may be faithful to the original design overall, but executed extremely poorly, especially in choosing the materials. And the changes they did make (latex pants, boots in blue instead of red) make it look far worse than the original. I don't want to go into the debate whether WW should wear pants. I just think that these pants suck.
I don't see how any feminist could be happy with the fetish pants either (It goes without saying that having to worry about feminists when designing a comic book movie/TV costume is always detrimental :P).

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All in all though, I think this costume is always doomed to look silly in live action territory, as opposed to animation/comic. I mean… most of the stuff the X-men were wearing would have looked utterly ridiculous, had the director wanted to be faithful to the original costumes in the movies.
In my opinion, whether or not comic book costumes need to be changed for movie/TV versions is a debate that has little to do with whether this costume works. My personal rule is that the designs have to work in terms of the movie and have to look good. How much is changed depends on the general approach. For instance, I thought that the Spider-Man costume in Sam Raimi's movies worked beautifully, and deviated only very slightly from what I recognize as the Spider-Man comic book costume.
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Hawk at 11:34AM, March 19, 2011
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She looks like some kind of spandex tart. But the woman inside is beautiful.

I've never really cared much for Wonder Woman. She comes from some sort of Greek mythological realm and somehow occupies the same universe as a man from the planet Krypton and another man who has a bat plane. She doesn't fit and her abilities are silly.
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skoolmunkee at 11:36AM, March 19, 2011
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She looks like a hooker.

Well, not quite. She looks like a normal lady who bought one of those poor-quality “adult halloween” costumes with the metal bits made out of plastic and the fabric some stupid sexy material. The idea of the character is represented but it looks cheap and trashy.

Also her boobs look super fake in that shirt.
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meemjar at 11:40AM, March 19, 2011
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The Bustier I don't have a problem with. Its those blue pants and boots!

Screw the feminists! Show some LEG!!! ;)

The second photo showing her as a greek warrior is more acceptable!!
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ayesinback at 12:15PM, March 19, 2011
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Well, she's a wonder all right. both of them

I agree that the new costume's “metal” looks So plastic that I think this Wonder would be able to repel bullets more easily with the ultra tight pants and bodice (a kinda trampoline effect) instead of with the cuffs.

And that bodice makes her boobs look like targets. This may be a “wonder” strategy: distract the enemy long enough to use the golden, thin jump rope on them.

The other costume, still a stupid bodice, seems far more realistic for a warrior, but then the woman is so gosh-darn Happy. Like a beauty contestant: “If I were made Ms Universal Super Hero, I'd like for all the children around the world to hold hands. And secondly, I'd like there to be world peace. Especially with the animals. And I'd also like to personally arrest all the bad villains. And I can do it, too, I have cuffs and a rally special hair band. And this rope.”
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Armagedon at 12:18PM, March 19, 2011
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I think the design isn't THAT bad. I mean I'm not saying it's good by any means, but all the pieces are there, it just needs to be slightly renovated.

Personally, the entire designed needs to be dulled down a bit. Give it a duller look, as opposed to the shiny overdone look. She's an amazonian warrior dag nabbit, she's been through some battles. Dirty the thing up! lol. That's something that the second design did a little bit, which I like much better.

The rest of what you've guys said I also agree with.
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lefarce at 8:22PM, March 19, 2011
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The boots being blue is pretty dumb, but if you think anything in the torso region is bad, you're either gay or a woman.

 
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Chernobog at 8:29PM, March 19, 2011
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Aesthetically speaking, I don't know if anything can be done with WW's costume without completely overhauling it. It's simply gaudy and ridiculous looking in most incarnations. Heck, even that revision of her outfit we had on the forum some months ago was pretty awful looking. The centurion skirt isn't terrible here, but it reminds me too much of Xena.

I always found it hard to really care about WW. She seems only enduring for being a fetish icon from back in the day while being saddled with an non-engaging character design and terrible fashion sense. DC has some passably better female super heroes; WW feels like a lodestone around their creativity. But then again, they also have a real lamer like Superman, so meh.
 
 
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lefarce at 8:48PM, March 19, 2011
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Aesthetically speaking, I don't know if anything can be done with WW's costume without completely overhauling it. It's simply gaudy and ridiculous looking in most incarnations. Heck, even that revision of her outfit we had on the forum some months ago was pretty awful looking. The centurion skirt isn't terrible here, but it reminds me too much of Xena.

Some people still want Batman in simple grey cloth. They don't seem to get that direct adaption are usually the worst possible idea. It wouldn't surprise me if some people were upset because this Wonder Woman isn't wearing granny panties with stars on them.

 
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isukun at 11:43PM, March 19, 2011
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I never thought the Wonder Woman outfit made any sense. You're talking about a character derived from Greek mythology who uses an ancient enchanted outfit that for some inexplicable reason not only looks modern, but is American themed despite the fact that it predates America by a few millenia?

This new outfit is awful, not just because it doesn't do away with the nonsensical elements, but because it makes her look like a character from some cheap cosplay porn. If they were going to modernize it and drop what the fans consider to be iconic, they could have at least gone the route of the newer look in the comics, which may show less flesh, but at least some elements of the costume seem consistent with the character and it looks a Hell of a lot less trampish.

The Smallville one at least TRIES to look like something that could believeably be worn by an Amazon warrior, although the actress looks far too bubbly for Wonder Woman.
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ozoneocean at 12:53AM, March 20, 2011
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I never thought the Wonder Woman outfit made any sense. You're talking about a character derived from Greek mythology who uses an ancient enchanted outfit that for some inexplicable reason not only looks modern, but is American themed despite the fact that it predates America by a few millenia?
With all the red and gold I always found it a little Chinese.

lefarce
Tbut if you think anything in the torso region is bad, you're either gay or a woman.
And you fit into both those categories so you must love it eh?
In my experience the people those bodices most appeal to is the woman who's wearing them and other women who want to try them out themselves.
meemjar
The second photo showing her as a greek warrior is more acceptable!!
That's a Roman look really. Greeks tended to go for folded linen for the kirtle generally, sometimes leather, but it's really the classic Roman look.
She'd make a good Xena clone or gladiator though :)
Or beauty queen as Ayes said.
 
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blindsk at 12:55AM, March 20, 2011
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Rather than just reiterating what everyone has said here, just going to point out that I'd ride the lame train here with the rest of you.
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Abt_Nihil at 3:10AM, March 20, 2011
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I never thought the Wonder Woman outfit made any sense. You're talking about a character derived from Greek mythology who uses an ancient enchanted outfit that for some inexplicable reason not only looks modern, but is American themed despite the fact that it predates America by a few millenia?
The WW costume was apparently made for her “mission” in the US. That's the story I've read in several incarnations. I'm far from being a WW expert, but since DAJB refuses to speak up… :P

isukun
The Smallville one at least TRIES to look like something that could believeably be worn by an Amazon warrior, although the actress looks far too bubbly for Wonder Woman.
It's my fault for not mentioning this in my first post, but supposedly it doesn't depict Wonder Woman, just a WW costume. The description I found stated that this was Lois Lane wearing the WW costume. But again, I've never watched Smallville, so I have no idea.
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bravo1102 at 8:30AM, March 20, 2011
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Being a fan of the old Linda Carter Wonder Woman I always thought the shorts and hose were very silly so the pants are a tad more practical. WW's outfit was modeled after circus attire and bathing suits of the 1940's. Those outfits were on every female adventure type back then.

But the “lifts and seperates” bustier is silly looking and belongs in a Victoria's Secret catalog. But I'm certain it will provide a wonderful bounce for running sequences.

Let me go check Amazon for the Linda Carter series on DVD…
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ozoneocean at 8:49AM, March 20, 2011
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so the pants are a tad more practical.
They're not actually. Ever worn pants like that? There's not much you can do comfortably in them.

I liked the 30's. Most female adventurers wore jodhpurs then, (the original type of joddies, not the stupid tight ones)
 
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lefarce at 10:23AM, March 20, 2011
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lefarce
Tbut if you think anything in the torso region is bad, you're either gay or a woman.
And you fit into both those categories so you must love it eh?
In my experience the people those bodices most appeal to is the woman who's wearing them and other women who want to try them out themselves.


Frankly I'm surprised you're not sitting around talking about how you want to slap oiled up dicks all over her until she crys, or whatever else you find to be “socially acceptable” banter. What an a**load of F*uck!

 
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ozoneocean at 10:56AM, March 20, 2011
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Your little Lefarce fantasyland is a pretty unusual place :)
 
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isukun at 11:48AM, March 20, 2011
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With all the red and gold I always found it a little Chinese.
The star-spangled panties kind of give it away.

Greeks tended to go for folded linen for the kirtle generally, sometimes leather, but it's really the classic Roman look.
Depends on the depiction. Warriors were more likely to wear armor. Literary references to Amazons do mention breast plates designed around their unique physiology. Artistically, they are often seen wearing mail or studded leather, although the skirt is more Roman in design. Still Roman designs are closer to classic Greek designs than vinyl stripper wear.

I don't expect Hollywood to be entirely accurate when it comes to these things, but at least the Smallville one, even if it isn't actually Wonder Woman, seems more in the ball park.
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bravo1102 at 5:29AM, March 21, 2011
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so the pants are a tad more practical.
They're not actually. Ever worn pants like that? There's not much you can do comfortably in them.

I liked the 30's. Most female adventurers wore jodhpurs then, (the original type of joddies, not the stupid tight ones)

Ever wear shorts and hose? The Elizabethan Lord look just wasn't for me even if I did look so mah-velous.

Neither is practical unlike jodhpurs which are pretty good for horse riding even if they're not good for trench warfare.

A female gladiator outfit is more appropriate but too many would say it's just Xena. How about just a plain cinched tunic with the red, white and blue thing as a leather armored coreslet? Bracers and a hoplon! Like a short skirted Athena.
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ozoneocean at 6:04AM, March 21, 2011
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Depends on the depiction. Warriors were more likely to wear armor. Literary references to Amazons do mention breast plates designed around their unique physiology. Artistically, they are often seen wearing mail or studded leather, although the skirt is more Roman in design. Still Roman designs are closer to classic Greek designs than vinyl stripper wear.
Yup, but Greek kirtles are almost always folded linen, even when they're wearing a full bronze bell cuirass.
bravo1102
Ever wear shorts and hose? The Elizabethan Lord look just wasn't for me even if I did look so mah-velous.
The Linda carter look was the big bloomer style sports undies. Those are pretty standard gymnastic wear for women everywhere.

And actually long tights with a pair of tight undies or tight shorts worn specifically to keep the crotch from sagging are perfect for athletic endeavours, which is why that was standard dress for acrobats for a couple of hundred years ^_^
 
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DAJB at 8:22AM, March 21, 2011
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I never thought the Wonder Woman outfit made any sense. You're talking about a character derived from Greek mythology who uses an ancient enchanted outfit that for some inexplicable reason not only looks modern, but is American themed despite the fact that it predates America by a few millenia?
The WW costume was apparently made for her “mission” in the US. That's the story I've read in several incarnations. I'm far from being a WW expert, but since DAJB refuses to speak up… :P
Ha! Not refusing …. just having to limit my DD time due to PC probs!

There have been several attempts to explain the US iconography. As you say, one was certainly that the costume was designed to show respect for her adopted host nation. Another I've read was that a US female aviator (an Amelia Earheart type) had crashed on Paradise Island years before. When the time came to send an envoy to the US, the Amazons (naturally! ) borrowed elements from her aeroplane and uniform.

Abt_Nihil
isukun
The Smallville one at least TRIES to look like something that could believeably be worn by an Amazon warrior, although the actress looks far too bubbly for Wonder Woman.
It's my fault for not mentioning this in my first post, but supposedly it doesn't depict Wonder Woman, just a WW costume. The description I found stated that this was Lois Lane wearing the WW costume. But again, I've never watched Smallville, so I have no idea.
Yup. In one episode of Smallville, Lois and Clark go to a comic convention and this is the costume Lois wears. I can't remember the name of the character she is meant to be cosplaying (might have been something like “Amazon Princess” ) but, despite being obviously based on WW's outfit, I'm pretty sure it's never described as such in the programme.

skoolmunkee
one of those poor-quality “adult halloween” costumes with the metal bits made out of plastic and the fabric some stupid sexy material.
My sentiments exactly! Which is why I strongly suspect this is either a fake, or just a bit of PR fluff. If the TV series ever happens, the real costume will be nothing like this, I'm sure. It's just too Buck Rogers!
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Genejoke at 9:46AM, March 21, 2011
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Meh.

The costume doesn't look any worse than anything else wonder woman related.

Also by looking camp and fetish-like it will probably get a bigger audience than any other way.

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lefarce at 11:10AM, March 21, 2011
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Your little Lefarce fantasyland is a pretty unusual place :)

I could literally quote half of your posts and you'd have no idea it's from you.

 
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ozoneocean at 11:12AM, March 21, 2011
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Meh…

When I look at them both together, Lynda Carter looks like a superhero… She doesn't look normal or even human really, she's something other. Whereas the chick on the left is just ordinary.

 
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Tim Wellman at 6:24PM, March 21, 2011
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Wonder Woman on the left looks like trailer trash… from her face to the sparkly tight pants… trailer trash… her front yard is someone else's backyard (that's a trailer park joke and has nothing to do with group sex).

I don't know, what was wrong with the 70's and 80's comic book outfit (which was basically the Lynda Carter TV outfit)? It's just another case of Hollywood mistaking ‘slutty’ for ‘sexy’.

The pant suit is a Paris Hilton clubbing outfit, not a Super Hero outfit.
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mlai at 2:42AM, March 22, 2011
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Is that just a stand-in model to showcase the costume, or is that the series actress?

Because judging from this photo, she's a terrible choice for such a role. Wonder Woman should look like a tall tanned Greek live-action version of this:


Xena looked more WW than this chick.

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isukun at 3:31AM, March 22, 2011
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Yup, but Greek kirtles are almost always folded linen, even when they're wearing a full bronze bell cuirass.

Except they didn't typically wear them with armor.
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