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The US wants sole control over all of space.
ozoneocean at 11:47AM, Oct. 18, 2006
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The Washington Post
President Bush has signed a new National Space Policy that rejects future arms-control agreements that might limit U.S. flexibility in space and asserts a right to deny access to space to anyone “hostile to U.S. interests”.
This is a scary article.

Basically, Bush's policy is that if they don't like your country, then they're going to destroy your satellites, deny you the use of launching facilities, or any space technology or space technology goods from other countries, destroy or damage your space/telecommunications infrastructure (like satellite base stations etc.), and so on.
I don't know about you, but that scares me. It also depresses me.

The services carried by satellites are pretty much essential to all modern countries and their economies in today's world, to wish to deny people access to that is basically criminal. And don't be stupid enough to think that they just mean “military satellites”, that's a very small part of what satellites do, and even satellites with military applications usually always have significant civilian uses.

Given the present bungling buffoonery with these imbeciles throwing around frankly moronic, functionally meaningless, but nevertheless very pejorative terms like Rouge State, Supporters of Terror, Axis of Evil, pretty much any country in the world could easily fall into the category of hostile to U.S. interests.

When countries like North Korea say that sanctions against their nuclear weapons programs are a trigger for war, that's silly, but if the US takes action against a country's space technology, that really will be a genuine trigger for war.

Iran, Cuba, Syria, and Venezuela for example are perfectly fine nations, developing away and modernising all the time. The one thing they have in common is that the US doesn't like them and most of them get a hell of a lot of nasty propaganda spread about them. A denial of space technology will cease their modernisation and set them back years, -that kind of thing only increases hatred of the US world wide, and ensures that die-hard, hardline conservative nationalists and religious fundamentalists take control and stay in firm domination, making sure that yet more and more countries become hostile to U.S. interests and the ones that already are have even more reason to be.
 
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Rich at 12:33PM, Oct. 18, 2006
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Yet again, Bush manages to keep moving the US towards facism.
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kingofsnake at 12:35PM, Oct. 18, 2006
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yeah, its no worse than everything else bush is doing wrong.

it's actually less worse because it wont stand when a good politican with a decent base in global politics comes along.

america should run space like we did in kennedy's day, by having all the best shit
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SheaSummers at 1:15PM, Oct. 18, 2006
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ALL YOUR SPACE ARE BELONG TO US!

Sorry, couldn't resist…
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Black_Kitty at 5:37PM, Oct. 18, 2006
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The last few days have been very very long for me so my brain is too tired to think very coherantly but…

Since when the hell can anyone claim outer space? Isn't that like laying a claim to oxygen?
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ccs1989 at 12:53PM, Oct. 19, 2006
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We're talking about the BUSH Administration here. As in the “If we could, we'd say that any oxygen breathed by someone hostile to US Interests should be confiscated” Bush Administration.

Anyway this does not mean anything good for anybody.
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subcultured at 9:35PM, Oct. 19, 2006
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Eirikr at 5:59PM, Oct. 20, 2006
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I have an idea. If he claimed space, let's claim everything outside the earth and one up them. Better yet, let's really screw that conservative monster and claim ownership of Heaven so he can't get in!

It's so stupid it might just work.
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Zenstrive at 7:47PM, Oct. 20, 2006
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yep. scary. besides being moronic, dubya is megalomaniac, and he is close on becoming fascist. Man, to think of it, Hitler was a brilliant man, further up in IQ than this entropy maniac man.
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Aussie_kid at 7:03AM, Oct. 21, 2006
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Eirikr
I have an idea. If he claimed space, let's claim everything outside the earth and one up them. Better yet, let's really screw that conservative monster and claim ownership of Heaven so he can't get in!

It's so stupid it might just work.

Made me laugh, because it could actually work

Any way, this is kinda dumb. What's even worse is that no matter what he does, he's getting kicked out in two years. I think he's just trying to use up his time to fuck the rest of us over as best he can. He's attempting world domination in the short time he has. Don't believe me? Well, I'm not saying you have to, but it could be possible
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kyupol at 1:56PM, Oct. 21, 2006
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The US wants control over everything.

NOW UPDATING!!!
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kyupol at 2:04PM, Oct. 21, 2006
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NOW UPDATING!!!
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Inkmonkey at 5:24PM, Oct. 21, 2006
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Yeesh.

See, the worst part is, the Bush administration has done so much stuff that people just don't care anymore. It's become the norm to read the paper, see “Bush claims Mars as 51st State”, say, “Wow, that's fucked up,” and at most complain about it online. Something like this deserves to have people in the streets, writing letters, etc.. It should be on the news every night with “Bush still doing stupid shit” as the headline. But it doesn't. The Daily show makes a few cracks about it and Bill Mahr asks Snoop Dogg his opinion on the whole thing, and we move on with our lives and just hope these countries that hate America stay far enough behind us technology-wise to not turn this country into an oversized sandlot.
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ccs1989 at 5:37PM, Oct. 21, 2006
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I don't think that would happen. More like Trade Sanctions. Of course it's not like the US is the only country in the world with crazy leaders. We SHOULD have impeached Bush a long time ago, but I just hope that the Dems win the next Presidential Election, and that 2000 to 2008 becomes a giant warning to all future presidents in the History books.

It's funny, Warren G. Harding is considered the worst US President ever, and yet what he did is peanuts compared to what Bush is doing/has done.
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SheaSummers at 3:01PM, Oct. 22, 2006
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Eirikr
I have an idea. If he claimed space, let's claim everything outside the earth and one up them. Better yet, let's really screw that conservative monster and claim ownership of Heaven so he can't get in!

It's so stupid it might just work.

That would be great… so the liberals will own Heaven? Does that mean Clinton will be getting sucked dry on a cloud somewhere up there, spitting down on Bush and Rumsfeld getting burned and pitchforked in the arse? That would be an interesting comic to draw…
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jgib99 at 10:05PM, Oct. 26, 2006
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Nothing that the Bush Administration does surprises me anymore. I mean, anyone trying to restrict all of those whom are hostile to US interest (Which, in Bush's eyes, would be everyone who is not a Neo-Conservative Republican) access to space surrounding earth's orbit is utterly ridiculous. I'm afraid of what else this idiot is going to do. He knows that his time's getting short. So he's trying to get as many of his looney tune laws and ideas passed before the Dems take over Congress. (I hope).
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SarahN at 2:43PM, Nov. 8, 2006
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I find it ironic that some people are going “Hey, you know what? Bush is dumb!” NOW. Um yeah, you could only figure that out AFTER you voted for him, eh?
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subcultured at 5:46PM, Nov. 8, 2006
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i voted against bush, i can bitch.
even if i knew my vote wouldn't matter because i live in tx
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subcultured at 5:48PM, Nov. 8, 2006
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

did he really make a joke about 9/11?
“There's one terrible pilot…” WTF? I hate that bastard.
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SarahN at 6:42PM, Nov. 8, 2006
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i voted against bush, i can bitch.
even if i knew my vote wouldn't matter because i live in tx
Yeah, I was referring to people who did vote for him and started changing their mind about him later. ^_^;;
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ozoneocean at 7:12PM, Nov. 8, 2006
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We're getting of the rails here, this isn't just a critisism of “that cray-zee Bush guy”, it's something that has potentially far more serious implications, possibly for years to come, than even what's happened in Iraq.
This ‘control of space’ issue is just as likely to be exploited by subsequent administrations. I don't see it being revoked in the near or far future, no matter who gets in, although it may be watered down and rolled back a litte bit if we're lucky.

But putting it all down to ‘mad Bush’ and leaving it at that is a mistake.
 
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Knuckles at 6:34AM, Nov. 9, 2006
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ehh.. the Bush Administration is a bunch of crooked, greedy old men with nothing better to do with their time.

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ccs1989 at 7:38PM, Nov. 9, 2006
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I think it just shows that we're becoming the world police. That's a bad thing.
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lothar at 10:03PM, Nov. 11, 2006
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Good luck “controlling” space . they cant even take care of their own country (roads , electrical grid, health care , whatever , its all fukd) the world should realy veiw this in context; the US is a failing empire, sort of like the late soviet union. in another couple of years they will be bankrupt and i doubt they will have any ability to do much in space . maybe they will be able to shoot down sattalites , but thats just gunna cause a chain reaction with all the debris smashing up everything else up there . sooner or later some country is gunna end up doing it and once it starts there will be no stopping it . everything in Earth orbit will get trashed untill the planet has a ring of space garbage that lasts 500 years . that combined with the fact that we have allready eaten through half the Dinaasaur fule in this rock just means we humans have pretty much blown it as far as ever doing anything in space. Maybe in the far far future , but i seriously doubt if even our great great grandchildren will see a man walk on Mars or even tha moon again. it was a one shot thing for the humans and they just had the wrong people in comand, its just like on Easter island ; they thought it was a good idea to build a bunch of giant heads and in so doing they cut down all the trees and pretty much destroyed their island. the US has aircraft carriers, ICBMs, wal*mart, churchs, and of course those swollen headed celebrities !!!!!!!
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ozoneocean at 2:46AM, Nov. 12, 2006
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That's an interesting range of points Lothar :)
The points about Easter Island should be heeded carefully.
We shouldn't be too pessimisticly dismissive about all the issues though just because they seem inevitable and disasterous.
 
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subcultured at 5:27PM, Nov. 12, 2006
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the easter island heads scared away the invaders therefore they conserve resources by preventing war
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lothar at 3:49AM, Nov. 13, 2006
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yea , i guess our TV brodcasts could serve the same purpose to Aliens thinking about paying the earth a visit !
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subcultured at 11:29AM, Nov. 13, 2006
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yea, we'll go all “independence day” on their asses! or they'll die of a broken heart…hehe. stupid lucas.
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