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The Youtube Generation: Is the internet making us stupider?
Hawk at 2:26PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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Really, Kyupol?

Do you know how many teachers there are in this world? That would be quite the conspiracy to include them all. We should ask Black Kitty when exactly they pulled her aside to let her in of their plans to make the entire world stupid. Seriously… I have had teachers of varying degrees of quality and dedication, but never did I feel like any of them weren't trying to at least impart knowledge. And the really good ones were there to make a positive difference.

The one thing I'll give you is the media… It's designed to entertain, and the safest way to do that is cater to the lowest common denominator. Even an educational channel like the Discovery Channel has its completely useless fluff. TV often presents misinformation (intentionally and unintentionally).
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Eirikr at 2:26PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY ROW ROW FIGHT THA' POWAH!

Yeah ok.

I have to agree with Puff of Smoke here. Whenever I looked at the younger grades in my old high school, it was nothing but complete morons who being a dick was cool and that Hitler was the funniest thing ever. When they got online, this type of behavior only intensified. So glad I'm in a College now where your actions can have consequences.
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kyupol at 2:40PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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Really, Kyupol?

Do you know how many teachers there are in this world? That would be quite the conspiracy to include them all. We should ask Black Kitty when exactly they pulled her aside to let her in of their plans to make the entire world stupid. Seriously…

lmao!!! I like that joke of yours. lol!

Anyway its all compartmentalized. You only know what you need to know. You could be the most well meaning angel of a person in this world and you could be made to do bad things due to compartmentalization.
NOW UPDATING!!!
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Custard Trout at 2:42PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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glad I'm in a College now where your actions can have consequences.

Yeah? They got stupider when they came to mine.

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Inkmonkey at 2:47PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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Here's my thoughts on the matter:

If you think people weren't dumb before the internet, then you're probably not too smart yourself.



In general, dumb people don't make the history books, and even if they do their dumbness is glossed over. I can guarantee you that you've had jackasses guffawing at dudes being shoved into piles of manure as soon as the stuff was discovered. The only difference these days is that sort of thing is easier to document and share.


So… no, Youtube doesn't “make” you stupid. It's just one of many places that stupid people can post stupid things that other stupid people can look at and laugh. It's also a place where clever people can post smart things for smart people to laugh at. Or for normal people to record themselves talking about their day. Or show people how to bake a cake. You can put anything up there, really.


Also, I'm really glad Kyupol's here to warn us against vaccines. It's nice to know that what we're told are attempts to keep us from dying horribly and slowly are in fact just a means to make us stupider. I'll be sure never to seek medical help in the future, lest the conspiracy comes for me in the night. (Also I can't shake the feeling that he's joking and getting a great laugh out of guys like me taking all his ranting seriously).
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Eirikr at 2:49PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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(Also I can't shake the feeling that he's joking and getting a great laugh out of guys like me taking all his ranting seriously).

I think you're giving him a little too much credit here.
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cartoonprofessor at 3:19PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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Really, Kyupol?

Do you know how many teachers there are in this world? That would be quite the conspiracy to include them all. We should ask Black Kitty when exactly they pulled her aside to let her in of their plans to make the entire world stupid. Seriously… I have had teachers of varying degrees of quality and dedication, but never did I feel like any of them weren't trying to at least impart knowledge. And the really good ones were there to make a positive difference.



It's not the teachers' fault. They only teach what they're told and how they're told. When some bright theorist comes up with a new ‘method’ of learning… like ‘Whole-word’ learning for example, the administrators are keen to try it on, even though other methods of successful teaching that have a 100% success rate and over forty years of major and minor studies behind it exist.

You can actually teach children to read at an adult level in 18 months! (Using the right methods) But no, instead our kids are taught methods that only work for a percentage. Most teachers I know haven't even heard of the different ways different people learn… kinetic, aural, oral, so only teach in the method that works for them, effectively only teaching 30% as a result! My Cartoon Art classes bring me into every classroom in the schools I visit… which is why I decided to homeschool my own son. 90% of school is babysitting.

Hawk
The one thing I'll give you is the media… It's designed to entertain, and the safest way to do that is cater to the lowest common denominator. Even an educational channel like the Discovery Channel has its completely useless fluff. TV often presents misinformation (intentionally and unintentionally).
Not just misinformation but behaviour patterns as well. TV tells us how to think, how to act, what we need to be happy. This fact in undeniable. When I first started teaching the Simpsons had not come out yet (at least in Oz). Then over the first couple of seasons I noticed a marked behavioural change, notable in boys.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Simpsons. But children have not developed a sense of sarcasm. They do not understand it. They see Bart's behaviour and think it's cool (It's on TV, it must be), so they copy that behaviour.

The nature of being ‘successful’ on TV is to blame for other ills of society as well… to succeed you have to be ‘More’. More violent, more sexual, more controversial, etc. This is true of music and movies as well. As the controversial lyrics become more mainstream, and hence more ‘acceptable’, you have to push the envelope further to be noticed.

Just think about it… it wasn't that long ago when porn was derided by the mainstream. If you were into it, you must be a sick individual, possibly in need of psychiatric attention. You certainly would not let other society members know you were into it. Now because of its easy availability on-line it has become ‘acceptable’.

Or being a ‘bitch’. Only recently it was a derogatory term. No woman wanted to be known as a bitch. Now they put stickers claiming this distinction on their cars, or t-shirts!

The internet is probably the biggest thing that has ever happened to human society, it has done much to improve it. Alas it will also contribute ineviteably to society's ills as more and more people use it as ‘entertainment’ only… by watching videos of people beating the crap out of some poor bugger who was minding his own business (and hence this type of violence becomes more acceptable), or watching porn (It has been proven over and over again to affect your perception of sex and women in general), etc etc etc.
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ozoneocean at 6:16PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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Do you know who is making you stupid?

1) The chemical attack
- the fluoride
- the vaccines
- the gmo foods
- the polluted air (no its not about your “carbon footprint”. LOOK UP IN THE SKY and see those weird-looking clouds that arent “contrails”).


lol!
The funny thing is that you probably got a lot of that info off of the net. So maybe the net does make people stu… No, I won't be mean :)
 
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HippieVan at 6:29PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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No no, be mean. :D I kinda liked where that was going.
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plab at 6:34PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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I swear half the comments you see in Youtube and places like Yahoo Answers are just a bunch of people seeing how stupid they can pretend to be for a bit of a laugh.
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Ryan_Scott at 7:05PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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You know what it is… it's been said here and you're all absolutely right, there have always been stupid mindless morons out there, and they have ALWAYS been in the majority… unfortunately the internet not only gives them all the ability and opportunity to communicate with each other… but now they are actually able to express their ideas. I swear you should have to have a license to drive this internet thingameebob!!!
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seventy2 at 7:55PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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I swear you should have to have a license to drive this internet thingameebob!!!

i dont think so…that'll give the government more of a chance to regulate what we watch see and hear. and trust me, i dont like how much power the government already has in that area (FCC), and you shouldnt either.
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Faliat at 9:48PM, Nov. 24, 2008
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EDIT: I use Youtube to watch M*A*S*H episodes that I miss :D This generation's television sucks.
Ramen to that, bruthah.

Because of today's media I'm sounding like a pentioner more and more frequently.

I watched the Animals of Farthing Wood when I was little…The Butcher Bird sequence traumatised my sister for life. But I saw nothing wrong with it. I mean. It's just baby mice impaled on thorns!

You'll never see that on kids TV anymore… But luckily, youtube has kept that moment alive.

Call that jumped up metal rod a knife?
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crocty at 12:12AM, Nov. 25, 2008
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I usually yell lol at people when they're suffering.
Or omg when someone insults me and acts as if I should be offended.

So probably so.

I'd probably have gone insane at my school without the dear sweet internet though~
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Arashi_san at 1:17AM, Nov. 25, 2008
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Here's my thoughts on the matter:

If you think people weren't dumb before the internet, then you're probably not too smart yourself.
Silly Inkmonkey. With this statement, you've seemed to completely miss the point. The argument isn't that people weren't dumb in the first place and then coming to the internet, the argument was that the internet causes degeneration in the intellects of people who frequently use it, namely for activities such as laughing their asses off at people doing retarded things on youtube.

There are actually a ton of articles on the subject, many of them with convincing and strong points claiming that the internet actually changes our way of processing information. It's kind of scary in a way. Actually, if much of what these articles claim are true, then it's really scary.

Right now, the main things I use the internet for are talking to my friends, listening to music, watching Japanese horror stories, occasionally reading manga, research, checking forums, and checking my e-mail. I don't use leet speak and internet slang terms (with the exception of a facetious “ror”), and it drives me crazy when my friends and the people around me incessantly use such internet-borne terms as “lol” and “rofl”.

This is a long article, but I found it really interesting. A simple search on google of “is the internet making us stupid” should bring you copious results for intricate articles on the subject.
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ozoneocean at 2:19AM, Nov. 25, 2008
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This is a long article, but I found it really interesting. A simple search on google of “is the internet making us stupid” should bring you copious results for intricate articles on the subject.
And T.V. did the same thing. And comics. And movies. And novels. And writing in English instead of Latin, and reading and writing at all

The history of people discussing why new communication media makes people dumber is as old as the human race. ;)
 
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skoolmunkee at 9:51AM, Nov. 25, 2008
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And T.V. did the same thing. And comics. And movies. And novels. And writing in English instead of Latin, and reading and writing at all

I dunno man usually someone who can speak latin is pretty smart.
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Arashi_san at 5:02PM, Nov. 25, 2008
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And T.V. did the same thing. And comics. And movies. And novels. And writing in English instead of Latin, and reading and writing at all

I dunno man usually someone who can speak latin is pretty smart.

:P


Also, this is true, Ozone, but then you go into the details such as how impacting, how widespread, and how. TV, many, many years ago, was a big movement and changed the world. So is the internet. This is what we're talking about, isn't it?

Also, in this case, I think it's a decline in mental capacity exchanged for entertainment (kind of like with TV! :) ).
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machinehead at 5:51PM, Nov. 25, 2008
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How dare you instulate that the internetty thing is making me not smart. I have the power to bring up a monkey sniffing his stinkfist and falling out of a tree virtually whenever I want. Haha oh god the look on his face, man his hands must have really smelt. Haha monkey fall down. What are we talking about again? Oh yeah, I like monkeys.
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Sea_Cow at 7:25PM, Nov. 25, 2008
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ex: SOULJA BOY A YOOOOUUUU!!!! YOOOOUUUU!!!)

I disagree with your belief that Souja Boy is an unintelligent song. Before hearing it, I thought the word “wat” had a “c” and an “h” after the “t”. Boy was I wrong!
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Lord Shplane at 9:05AM, Nov. 26, 2008
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its not making people stupider , it just gives stupid people more stupid.

The thread should have ended here.

But really, I've learned more from the internet than I have my entire time in High School (Wikipedia so sexy). Just because YOUTUBE is stupid doesn't mean the rest of the internet is, and there are even some things on Youtube that are fairly intelligent. Not as many as there are stupid ones admittedly, but there ARE plenty out there. Stop generalizing the entire internet from the dumbest website there is.

crocty
I usually yell lol at people when they're suffering.
Or omg when someone insults me and acts as if I should be offended.

So probably so.

Actually that's just a change in how we express the fact that we're assholes. Using “lol” to express that we find something amusing doesn't make us dumb. It's simply changing the way we show what we're feeling.

Inkmonkey
Here's my thoughts on the matter:

If you think people weren't dumb before the internet, then you're probably not too smart yourself.

In general, dumb people don't make the history books, and even if they do their dumbness is glossed over. I can guarantee you that you've had jackasses guffawing at dudes being shoved into piles of manure as soon as the stuff was discovered. The only difference these days is that sort of thing is easier to document and share.

So… no, Youtube doesn't “make” you stupid. It's just one of many places that stupid people can post stupid things that other stupid people can look at and laugh. It's also a place where clever people can post smart things for smart people to laugh at. Or for normal people to record themselves talking about their day. Or show people how to bake a cake. You can put anything up there, really.

I can in no way change this to make it better.

kyupol

HOW ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS MORE STUPID THAN THE LAST THING, MORE INSANE, MORE RETARDED

WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN EUTHANIZED YET? YOU ARE SINGLE HANDEDLY DILUTING THE GENE POOL WITH YOUR STUPID TO THE POINT THAT HUMANITY CANNOT EVOLVE

YOUR IDIOCY IS DIFFUSING OVER THE REST OF HUMANITY

THIS IS WHAT'S MAKING US STUPID. YOU. YOU ARE SO RIDICULOUSLY UNINTELLIGENT THAT YOUR BODY CANNOT HOLD ALL THE RETARD, SO IT'S OOZING OUT INTO OTHER PEOPLE.
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skoolmunkee at 1:28AM, Nov. 27, 2008
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That's enough of that Shplane, serious or not we don't abuse other members here.


I find it hilarious that one guy can piss off so many people in such an innocent way. :)
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Sysli at 8:45AM, Nov. 27, 2008
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Now, look at the internet. everything runs through practically 3 sites…myspace, youtube, and google. This has, in turn, made everything feel smaller and more constrained.
(The underlining was done by me)

Just a minor correction. Google is not a site, it's a search engine, and that's not the same. I agree that most people ought to think more before using Google, but as far as I have examined Google is reasonably good at covering most countries, and it is, I regret to say, the one that has most pages indexed. Meaning that there's a bigger chance that you will get more than one view if your search is good enough. Too bad that it's the minority that will actually take the time to learn how to use it properly.
That was a personal opinion with a hint of my professional opinion by the way. I'm studying Library and Information Science, so I ought to know a little about this. I could continiue listing the pros and cons, but I'll just let it be for now. If anybody actually wants my opinion they can just ask.

Anyway, to the question: No, we've alway been idiots the lot of us, back then it was TV, and before that Radio. People have always looked at the newest media and wondered if it made us more stupid. I think the reason it seems so much worse today is that it's more visible now. Being stupid takes less time now than ten years ago and it seems to be attracted to he same places, so we get large seas of stupid and smaller islands of clever.

But the internet is changing our behaviour. We have to adapt to different enviroments in an attempt to fit in all the time. most of the examples mentioned here seem to breed a childish and rather moronic behaviour because that's the standard around there. At other places people expect you to behave differently, and you probably will because you want to be accepted. Humans are very social animals, especially on the internet.

Enough of my chattering, somebody else probably has something more clever and more coherent to say.
Because I may as well show a bit of pride. ^___^

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Ironscarfs Ghost at 1:32PM, Nov. 27, 2008
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I wouldn't wish to be clever or coherent, but I do think You Tube comes in for a lot of unfair stick: it's up to the user to grab the stuff they want and ignore the rest. For instance, a few years back it would've cost me a pretty penny to learn the Hustle - now I can master it in the comfort of my own drawing room:
Er……..boo!
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ozoneocean at 1:49PM, Nov. 27, 2008
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in the comfort of my own drawing room
How posh!
 
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Ironscarfs Ghost at 1:57PM, Nov. 27, 2008
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How posh!

I was going to point out that a drawing room wasn't specifically a room for drawing in, but a room for withdrawing to, but I didn't wish to appear pretentious!

Oops.
Er……..boo!
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ozoneocean at 3:10PM, Nov. 27, 2008
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Toff :)
 
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Ryan_Scott at 4:49PM, Nov. 27, 2008
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The irony is that I, who started this thread in the first place, write and draw a comic strip which basically celebrates Slack and NOT engaging the world in an active manner… Hell, my protaganists are little more than a 3rd or 4th rate beavis and butthead… heh heh… that'd be cool
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Walrus at 6:18PM, Nov. 27, 2008
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UToob no maike wallrus stoopid, tv maike wallrus stoopid.
 
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Lord Shplane at 11:06AM, Nov. 29, 2008
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That's enough of that Shplane, serious or not we don't abuse other members here.


I find it hilarious that one guy can piss off so many people in such an innocent way. :)

I was entirely serious he is single handedly destroying humanity's collective IQ.

Also Myspace sux for whoever said it was one of the three primary internets.
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