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this should've been the spiderman/venom movie
subcultured at 3:54PM, July 28, 2008
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anyone agree?


sam raimi dropped the ball on spiderman 3. really.
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flapjack1995 at 4:11PM, July 28, 2008
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Defintely.
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Inkmonkey at 4:11PM, July 28, 2008
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Well, a common rumor I keep hearing is that the script for Spidey 3 was actually two movies, and through executive meddling it got squeezed down to one. I've also heard that Raimi was kinda miffed at that point and didn't put all that much effort into editing the two films together to a coherent whole.

Anyway, I like the concept, but it seems like a bit much for the tone of the Spider-Man films. Looks like a good enough story; definitely a strong suit to build a video game after. Gotta wonder if any other Marvel characters are going to cameo…
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subcultured at 4:18PM, July 28, 2008
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now that marvel is relaunching their properties like hulk and punisher. they should relaunched spiderman…minus tobey.

spiderman would look so cool if it was done more darkly, action and with less emo.

and no more beatnick peter parker
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SpANG at 5:28PM, July 28, 2008
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spiderman would look so cool if it was done more darkly, action and with less emo.
I'll agree with the “less emo” part, but darker? Why the hell does every superhero need to be done darker? I'll answer that with a flat out NO. Spider-Man is not a dark hero. It would suck if he was.

I don't mind him becoming dark for a Venom/Carnage theme, as long as he reverts back to his old self again at the end.

Spider-man and Spider-Man 2 were great movies. Spider-Man 2 was nearly perfect, better than The Dark Knight even.

The formula works. The writers just need to use it.
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Inkmonkey at 6:26PM, July 28, 2008
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and more beatnick peter parker


Fixed that. You seeem to have inaccurate feelings about the greatest moment in cinema history.
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korosu at 5:43PM, July 29, 2008
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Y'know, it's really sad if the plot to the video game is better than the movie itself…but, yeah, you're totally right about that. :P

SpANG
Spider-Man 2 was nearly perfect, better than The Dark Knight even.
Really? I definitely think Spider-Man 2 was the best of the series, but better than The Dark Knight?…
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SpANG at 7:18PM, July 29, 2008
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Really? I definitely think Spider-Man 2 was the best of the series, but better than The Dark Knight?…
In my opinion, Spider-Man 2 was as close as you could get to a perfect comic book movie. The Dark Knight was a great movie, but it wasn't even near perfect. It was as enjoyable and amazing as Iron Man.
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jalford at 12:00AM, July 30, 2008
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Seems like this is how that shitty Friend Or Foe game SHOULD'VE gone. There is some thing from the Venom series a few years ago where the symbiote got control of Wolverine. Plus a recent story in both Avengers titles where New York is taken over by symbiotes.
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LIZARD_B1TE at 5:55AM, July 30, 2008
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I think I remember a “use symbiotes to take over the world” plot from the first Spider-Man PS1 game.
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mechanical_lullaby at 7:22AM, July 30, 2008
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Well, since the first two movies kind of counted as kid movies, having this 3rd movie darker would have really killed the fanbase of 5-10 year olds.

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fern at 9:50AM, July 30, 2008
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Well, since the first two movies kind of counted as kid movies, having this 3rd movie darker would have really killed the fanbase of 5-10 year olds.

Yeah… and I heard kids are more vulnerable during that age…

So that whole Spidey/Wolvey team-up reminded me of the 90's cartoon where Spider-Man met the X-Men and Wolverine blamed Spidey for something that happened to Beast… goodtimes. I think they fought each other.
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Fenn at 11:02AM, July 30, 2008
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So that whole Spidey/Wolvey team-up reminded me of the 90's cartoon where Spider-Man met the X-Men and Wolverine blamed Spidey for something that happened to Beast… goodtimes. I think they fought each other.
I'm pretty sure it's a comic book rule that the first time heroes meet, they must fight, no matter how silly it really is.
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jalford at 2:13PM, July 30, 2008
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Is Steve Blum doing Wolverine AGAIN?! They should've gotten Mark Hamill. He's the definative Wolvie.
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cartoonprofessor at 2:52AM, Aug. 8, 2008
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In my opinion, Spider-Man 2 was as close as you could get to a perfect comic book movie.
I agree totally.
The first was good until that pathetic ‘joker’ costume wrecked it for me.
He should have mutated like in the most recent comic version.
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SpANG at 8:50AM, Aug. 8, 2008
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SpANG
In my opinion, Spider-Man 2 was as close as you could get to a perfect comic book movie.
I agree totally.
The first was good until that pathetic ‘joker’ costume wrecked it for me.
He should have mutated like in the most recent comic version.
Yeah I couldn't get over the fact that the Green Goblin looked and acted like a power Rangers villain. :P
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jalford at 3:02PM, Aug. 8, 2008
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So what, you expected Dafoe to be wearing green tights, a purple tunic, an a rubber goblin mask with a little elf hat? It made more sense for him to be wearing full-body armor, even if its green. Plus, New Goblin demonstrated for us in Spidey 3 the importance of wearing a helmet while flying 20 stories up over the alleyways of New York at 100 MPH.
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isukun at 3:49PM, Aug. 8, 2008
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It's one thing to wear a helmet, it's something else entirely to wear a really stupid looking helmet. The armored suit wasn't so bad. In fact, it's makes some sense in a practical way. Even the flyer can kind of work and they did make the bombs into something that looked more technological instead of him throwing exploding pumpkins. But they never explain why he thought a helmet that looked more like a Halloween mask was supposed to appeal to the military. It's more a theatrical thing than a practical thing. I mean, Hell, he didn't even come up with the name for the character, so it's not like he was TRYING to look like a green goblin.
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Hawk at 7:55PM, Aug. 8, 2008
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Superhero costumes are actually the source of much silliness in movies if you start to take them seriously enough. Even Batman. I mean, all of Batman's weapons and suit pieces had to come from somewhere. They probably passed through many hands while being manufactured. That's a lot of potential for people to know who Batman is, or at least who he's working for (if it's ordered by Wayne Enterprise).

In the cartoon I remember Bruce saying that his mask was ordered through dummy corporations and in large quantities to throw people off, which might actually work. But who installs all the gear into the Batcave? All those custom cabinets, screens, and computers? Probably not Alfred!

And yeah, the Green Goblin mask is even more ridiculous. Because, was it made for the army? Probably not. Then did Osborne fashion it himself with his artistic metalworking skills? Or did he ask a few subordinates to make it for his evil rampages of destruction?

I've found I have to ignore these things a lot otherwise I'd never enjoy a single superhero movie.
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Hawk at 7:59PM, Aug. 8, 2008
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The first was good until that pathetic ‘joker’ costume wrecked it for me.

What bothered me about the first one was the dialogue. There were too many scenes where Peter stared at Mary Jane .. and .. talked .. really .. choppy-like … as if .. what they … were .. saying … was .. profound.

But it wasn't!
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SpANG at 8:04PM, Aug. 8, 2008
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So what, you expected Dafoe to be wearing green tights, a purple tunic, an a rubber goblin mask with a little elf hat? It made more sense for him to be wearing full-body armor, even if its green. Plus, New Goblin demonstrated for us in Spidey 3 the importance of wearing a helmet while flying 20 stories up over the alleyways of New York at 100 MPH.

Actually… I would have rathered a BETTER villain. GG just… sucks eggs. He's too easy, too one dimensional to begin with. He's a poor man's Joker.

They could have made it great with a better criminal. Like:
- Chameleon
- Kraven the Hunter
- Shocker
- Morbius

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mlai at 12:27AM, Aug. 9, 2008
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It's shown that Mr. Osbourn had a fetish for ghastly masks, so he made himself one to go with his prototype body suit. I don't think the mask was meant for the military.

That's the movie explanation anyways.

If Mr. Osbourn wore a rubber mask or put latex makeup over his face, all of you would complain that he's trying to be Joker. If he wore nothing at all on his head, everyone would complain that he doesn't feel like G.G.

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Inkmonkey at 7:36AM, Aug. 9, 2008
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Superhero costumes are actually the source of much silliness in movies if you start to take them seriously enough. Even Batman. I mean, all of Batman's weapons and suit pieces had to come from somewhere. They probably passed through many hands while being manufactured. That's a lot of potential for people to know who Batman is, or at least who he's working for (if it's ordered by Wayne Enterprise).

In the cartoon I remember Bruce saying that his mask was ordered through dummy corporations and in large quantities to throw people off, which might actually work. But who installs all the gear into the Batcave? All those custom cabinets, screens, and computers? Probably not Alfred!

And yeah, the Green Goblin mask is even more ridiculous. Because, was it made for the army? Probably not. Then did Osborne fashion it himself with his artistic metalworking skills? Or did he ask a few subordinates to make it for his evil rampages of destruction?

I've found I have to ignore these things a lot otherwise I'd never enjoy a single superhero movie.

More than that, where did Peter get his Spidey suit? At least Osborne has the means to acquire his silly getup; there's no way Pete was able to make that thing on his own.

Anyway, I would have liked Gobby's suit to look… I dunno, a bit ragged and homemade. A popular move these days to make his elf-hat look more sinsiter is to make it into a full cloak. I think it'd have been pretty good look to have him wearing “Goblin” equipment over the armor he has in the movie.
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jalford at 4:26PM, Aug. 9, 2008
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You need to see a few episodes of Goblin Bloggin' to make you realize how cool the armor is!
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