Aurora MoonI have never thought that made a difference, because the perversion is still there. Even if they never will act out their desires in real life, those desires still exist. And wanting to have sex with kids, or watch kids have sex, real or imaginary is messed up. There are social taboos, biological taboos, mental taboos, all sorts of things put in place to stop us from trying or even wanting that.
When it comes to lolicon, Shota, dirty “western” cartoons depecting fictional characters… who are we hurting?
I would have to go with Lothar here:
i wonder why can you have a movie or comic depict violent acts of murder or stealing or whatever other illegal acts and that is ok , as long as it's nothing to do with sex
yes , wanting to watch fictional kids have sex is messed up .
so is wanting to watch fictional characters be killed .
who decides which is more messed up ?
fiction is still fiction. And there's still people who knows the difference between fiction and reality.
I know a lot of people who takes a lot of pleasure in seeing fictional characters get chopped up to bits in horror movies, etc. Does that mean that they would also take pleasure in seeing a REAL person get chopped up to bits?
and you're missing the point that there's like a dozen lolicon, shota, etc which has plenty of storylines, etc which a person can enjoy without actually ENJOYING the idea of underaged sex.
I'm actually one of those people out there who reads Shota (underaged boy sex), mainly because there's this manga series right now which I'm reading. It has the following:
Fantasy, magic, a very long plot, etc. oh, and underaged boy sex. Why am I reading it? let's see… because it has a very compelling storyline about this youth who's on an quest to save a kindgom because the king is holding his family as hostage for some reasons yet to be revealed. And alongside the way he's struggling with the fact that he's gay, which is frowned in the order of knights (of which he's a part of, as thier squire).
it's like 90% plot, and the rest of the 10% are sex (the boy exploring his opitions, if you will).
So snice I have been reading an manga that has been classifed as shota/hentai because of the pornogic nature of those sex scenes and the age of the male character (who's 15 in medival times), despite the artstic merit and the compelling plot… I guess that makes me one of those dirty pervs who furiously masturbates at the mere thought of little kids having sex, despite the fact that in reality I haven't been doing anything of the sort. I actually just read it for the story.
Yes, I love Yaoi (male-on-male sex) as many of my friends here know. as long as the two are full grown men, Yaoi rocks my socks. but Shota does nothing for me.. unless it's some fluffy love story of two young boys in love, or an angsty self-exploration of the gay pysche which ties in with the storyline like in the metioned manga that I'm reading right now.
And I'm pretty sure that there's dozens of mangas which were put under the “lolicon” and “shota” gerne because it explored those rather touchy subjects of underaged people exploring such things, and because some scenes were rather mature… instead of the “fact” of being full-on hentai. in fact I've seen some lolicon/shota-like mangas that didn't… have sex in it at all…*gasp* they're just simply labelled that way sometimes because:
1)tons of underaged girls/boys who are exploring topics that are unsually mature for thier age.
2) may have scenes that disturbs people who wasn't expecting to see such young fictional characters in such situations, so they label that way to warn people. Japan does have thier own way of rating things like in America. only instead of “Teen +16 and up” they give certain things names and throw mangas into those groups.
examples of mangas that has been labelled as lolicon before by the japanese companies yet didn't have sex in it:http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/1008/welcome_to_the_n_h_k/
Satou has some problems, some serious problems. For one he's a “Hikikomori” or shut-in. This of course means he has plenty of other problems, including but not limited to: Delusions, the inability to socialize with outer people, and a strong dislike of reality. That is until one day, while under the influence of legal(?) drugs bought online, the TV revealed to Satou the existence of NHK, the secret evil organization. Now Satou is out to get the evil organization, or get sucked into NHK?s master plan whichever comes first.
was labelled as lolicon because there's a lot of young girls in it which are put into those mature situations which tests the frality of thier minds, thanks to this evil organization. yet, no sex.http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/424/tokyo_akazukin/
In the urban city of Tokyo, there exists a defiled world full of lecherous fiends. Living amongst them is Akazukin (Red Riding Hood), a little girl with a strange persona and an even stranger desire: to be eaten by Mr. Wolf.
WARNING: For an adult audience.
Yeah, it says there's smut in it. but the young girl isn't in any of the sex scenes, only the adults are. the young girl is however, a murdering, supernatural pyscho and there's A LOT OF GORE. And her desire to be “eaten” is actually LITERAL, and not meant to be read in that sexual context. a very disturbing manga which features an underage girl. so it's labelled lolicon, even though she isnt put in any sexual situation.http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/996/ichinensei_ni_nacchattara/
Takatou Iori, a high school ninensei, while on his way to school to confess his love to classmate Kusanagi Mikuru by means of a love letter, gets ran over by a truck to save a cute elementary schoolgirl.
to exapand this. This highschool boy then somehow mysteriously gets transformed into a young elemary schoolgirl. So there's a lot of hijinks where he learns what it's like to be a girl, etc… and slightly perverted situations such as trying not to look at himself when he's changing clothes (what with him being a girl now).
No sex at all.
So you see…. Lolicon, Shota, etc does not nessicarly mean full-on hentai featuring underaged girls,boys etc. It just simply means that they will be put into situations that are mature at times, and may be uncomfortable for the reader to view unless they know what to expect.
The cheerleader uniform anglogy from earlier is actually vaild in comparing to this. You could always assume that all adults who want to buy high school clothes from an cumstume shop are just perverts who fantasize about having sex with underaged people, and then unfairly label them all as such. Even well though you're very aware that not all people are like that. and in fact the majority are just using them for parties, halloween, and other equally innocous reasons.
In this same sense… not all lolicon is hentai, and so it also stands to reason that some of those people who read lolicon is simply reading it for the story, and because they're a fan of those “growing up” stories where young characters learn what it's like to be an adult. They could even be a fan of the gore, and simply read “tokyo akazukin” because of excessive gore. they don't have to be wanking off to enjoy a good story, after all.