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What's to be expected? - the average amount of readers of an average comic
acadia at 10:45AM, Aug. 8, 2007
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If one person views your site (regardless of page) 10 times, then there are technically 10 pageviews recorded.

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spacehamster at 3:55PM, Aug. 8, 2007
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If one person views your site (regardless of page) 10 times, then there are technically 10 pageviews recorded.

Okay, thanks. What's strange is that my pageviews seem to go up in increments of 10. I've never had anything but a zero at the end.
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mlai at 5:15PM, Aug. 8, 2007
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Yeah, I don't think the counter counts in increments smaller than 10.

On 1 hand, I try my hardest not to visit my own pages, because I want an accurate reader count. OTOH, I need to check for comments periodically.

But I guess this means that spamming your own pages everyday actually increases your page count and makes you MORE POPULAR. lol!

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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keithmccleary at 6:46PM, Aug. 8, 2007
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So, well yeah.

There is no “face the reality” FAQ here in DD and I haven't really found out what is a reasonable amount of readers to hope for. Or just how large is the network here.
10 per day, 100 per day, 1000 per day?

I really don't have a clue, but I'd like to know.
For example, I've been here for five days and have an average of ~200 daily readers, biggest single day being ~400.
I'm I lacking on ads or should I be thankful?

Of course I'm not comparing the average Joe here to the top 100 comics, geez no O_o

Any thoughts or facts on that?
No, I'm not just trying to find out your stats :D

Runosonta, just so you know – I think you and I started posting pages within days of one another, and I get about half your readers and rank in the 400's.

You're keeping me motivated, dude. (You and DOm, who I'm also weirdly fixated on.) I want to get good enough to be your competition. ;)

If you're nervous about your ranking, hopefully that should make you feel better.
Now updating without interruption, starting 2/16.

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Eunice P at 3:40AM, Aug. 13, 2007
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I got a 1k page view yesterday even when I'm not in the top ranking comics… Where on Earth did this 1k page view came from?
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lothar at 10:51AM, Aug. 13, 2007
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Lucky bastid. : D But here's a question for all of you: Why does the amount of readers per day always count by tens? There's always a zero at the end O_o

i think i remember Volt saying it was intended to save memory or something like that
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zero rose at 9:16PM, Aug. 13, 2007
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My comics (like their creator) are strange and misunderstood, so having anyone read it, view it, (or like it for that matter) makes me happy on the inside. ^_^
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marine at 12:04AM, Aug. 14, 2007
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I hit a three month low yesterday. I'm usually at least in the 400-500 range, but I've fluctuated up to the 600-700 range as well. At one point I was getting over a thousand with just regular daily updates…

Still, I'm proud of myself for having a comic thats as popular as mine is. Its not to the levels of final fantasy 7 or Penny-Arcade, but I'd like to hope I've got some fans that are as venomous and rabid as those dudes.
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mlai at 7:49AM, Aug. 14, 2007
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@ Eunice:

Don't you cross-pollinate? Like have links all over places like Buzz and such?

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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mapaghimagsik at 4:30PM, Aug. 14, 2007
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I found lefttoonlane.blogspot.com really helped my hits.

To be honest, I don't have time to go through all the marketing – I can't make comics fast enough, and they're nowhere good enough to give up the day job…soooo
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junoblairb at 5:10PM, Aug. 14, 2007
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There is no “face the reality” FAQ here in DD and I haven't really found out what is a reasonable amount of readers to hope for. Or just how large is the network here.
10 per day, 100 per day, 1000 per day?

Well, some thoughts on it just all around: You're doing great if you've got a readership of over 100 a day. That's a committed daily following that's not spiking on update days. A lot of people can't get that far. I'd say the 500 club is a general happy place for comics around here that aren't being featured or in the top 100 overall.

In the bigger picture, 1000 a day is great, sure. Kinda like Eunice - you start to wonder all those people come from. 1000 a day and up and you're getting into the top 100 overall comics on DD. 5000 and up and you're likely looking at the top 10.

I mirror here so I go more by my main site's hits and more what's out everywhere else. In the big picture, most comics with a fanbase of 10k a day are considered medium-sized. Conventions often use this to place you in guest rankings. Comics with 20-30k a day are considered large-sized. Megatokyo, to name one, is a rank of its own bringing in over 200k people a day.

No, I swear, I don't have too much free time. I was just in the literal marketing business too long.
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marine at 2:21AM, Aug. 16, 2007
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You know how I said I hit a three month low the day before? Well yesterday (more like two days ago now) I hit a six month high of 900 viewers. I got a respectable 500 yesterday. I'm happy when I'm in the 400-500 range. Less than that makes me feel lame and more than that puts too much pressure on me to be great.



Its obvious my comics are mostly written in bad taste, but other aspects of it make it into a higher performance art piece. I'm starting to feel a little more respected and accepted by my comic peers.

The best way I've managed to keep hits coming in is from writing my works with a “jump in anywhere” mentality. Any page on any day, you can dive in. Don't have to know ten years of backstory or ever read penis again if you don't want to. The older pages are there and if you don't want to read my stuff plenty of other comics are around.

But its obvious that SOMEBODY is reading.

Who else wants to share a screnshot of their statistics page?
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TnTComic at 11:16AM, Aug. 16, 2007
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How do I view these statistics on my comic?
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mlai at 12:12PM, Aug. 16, 2007
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That's a valuable lesson from Marine.

Shameless troll-plugging works wonders. Who cares if it turns off a few lamers? Who cares if they laugh at your trolling plugs and then make scathing witty attacks on your comic? The wittier they are, the more publicity you get.

Unfortunately this doesn't work for everybody. It depends on the type of work you're advertising.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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TnTComic at 12:22PM, Aug. 16, 2007
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Just figured out the stats thing





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mlai at 4:16PM, Aug. 16, 2007
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TNT, I have 2 questions for you.

1. How did you get such a huge jump on that last day? Did you do something specific?

2. How come you get so few comments??? That is disgustingly, abnormally few when considered alongside your hits #.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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TnTComic at 4:31PM, Aug. 16, 2007
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TNT, I have 2 questions for you.

1. How did you get such a huge jump on that last day? Did you do something specific?

A combination of several factors.

1. The TnT Comic is based on a real radio show:

The TnT Morning Show

So when those guys mention it on the air, I get some traffic bumps. Also, I mentioned recent updates on the main page of my other comic: Hockey Zombie
Another side project, There's Always Porn has been putting up links for it. And lastly, my other side project The International History Club recently added a link on the mainpage to the TnT comic as well. So all those things added together helped bump it up.


2. How come you get so few comments??? That is disgustingly, abnormally few when considered alongside your hits #.

Dunno, I guess people don't have much to say. I'd like to hear from 'em, though!
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marine at 6:25PM, Aug. 16, 2007
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That's a valuable lesson from Marine.

Shameless troll-plugging works wonders. Who cares if it turns off a few lamers? Who cares if they laugh at your trolling plugs and then make scathing witty attacks on your comic? The wittier they are, the more publicity you get.

Unfortunately this doesn't work for everybody. It depends on the type of work you're advertising.

Thats only the most obvious ways I promote my comics. A lot of other subtle ways. I do a lot of stuff you guys don't see. Stuff outside DD.
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mlai at 6:36PM, Aug. 16, 2007
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Buzzcomix and stuff like that? Those nuts are very tough to crack unless you have really colorful and kawaii boy's love manga banners.

FIGHT current chapter: Filling In The Gaps
FIGHT_2 current chapter: Light Years of Gold
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spacehamster at 12:55AM, Aug. 17, 2007
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2. How come you get so few comments??? That is disgustingly, abnormally few when considered alongside your hits #.

Dunno, I guess people don't have much to say. I'd like to hear from 'em, though!

I'd wager it also has something to do with the fact that a lof of your hits come from outside DD through the radio show you mentioned - those people aren't members and can't comment.

My advertising is pretty much limited to having the Bulletproof banner in my signature on every messageboard I frequent, so I'm guessing a lot of my pageviews come from that. And while I have a fair amount of PVs, I don't get a lot of comments either.
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bongotezz at 9:06PM, Aug. 17, 2007
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Here's my stats for the past few weeks. i have some spikes and some low days. my hits seem to be all over the place.

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Eunice P at 1:27AM, Aug. 18, 2007
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@ Eunice:

Don't you cross-pollinate? Like have links all over places like Buzz and such?

I only put my site URL on a few sites like onlinecomics.net or thewebcomiclist.com

But I never advertise my comics by paying and putting up banners on any sites at all. My comic is not in Buzz either. My guess is that anyone who do daily updates can actually hit 1k easily.
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JustNoPoint at 5:16PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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My guess is that anyone who do daily updates can actually hit 1k easily.
This is pretty true. I update daily and get pretty close to a thousand views often (500-850) range. And I am a new nobody with art nowhere near as good as most of you guys/gals posting above me.

It's just nice to have something you can easily check out each day while browsing is what I assume.

But you update daily Eunice P? Wow? Your art is amazing to be pulling that off!

Which comic do you update daily? Or is it that ONE of those comics will be updated daily, depending on the one you feel like working on?
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patrickdevine at 6:13PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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Holy hell, everyone's page view counts are making me feel really lame!
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usedbooks at 7:10PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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My guess is that anyone who do daily updates can actually hit 1k easily.
Not even close. I put mine on all the standard webcomic lists, and I have updated daily everyday, no fillers, for six months. (I also announced a couple landmark pages – page 150 and page 200.) I get 200 page views on *good* days.

So be proud. :) Your comic has to actually be GOOD to get that many hits, no matter how often you update or where you “cross pollinate.”

Nothing to brag about, but I'll share, so we can see some smaller numbers. (We can't all be in the top 100.)


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deletedbyrequest03 at 11:22PM, Aug. 18, 2007
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And I was proud I made top 500! *laughs*

This year, school's full of BS!!!
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Runosonta at 1:34AM, Aug. 19, 2007
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My top rank was #95 in Comic Book/Story #147 Overall after two weeks online. That was with daily updates.

After that I've had an over a weeks gap with the updates, so Horizon dropped drastically.


Comic launched on: 07-26-2007
DrunkDuck Rank: #259 in Comic Book/Story #382 Overall
Total Pageviews: 8,170
Biggest single day: 840 on 8/9/2007
Average Pageviews per day: 327
Total Comments: 269
Average comments per page: 4.56




….I don't know how to take a screenshot! O_o
Well, I KNOW, but it just doesn't work.

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Eunice P at 4:50AM, Aug. 19, 2007
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But you update daily Eunice P? Wow? Your art is amazing to be pulling that off!

Which comic do you update daily? Or is it that ONE of those comics will be updated daily, depending on the one you feel like working on?

Thanks. Currently I only update daily on the martian comic. The reason I can update daily is plainly because it's completely in pencils and not to mention the fact that I'm currently jobless…

usedbook: I think another factor really helps to increase your hits is how long your comic is on DrunkDuck. My comic has been on DD more than 3 years ago.
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Gibbo at 1:47PM, Aug. 19, 2007
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I expect my daily view count to be pretty low, considering I don't update very often (work's a bitch, what can yeh do!), but that one spike in the numbers was an interesting result of doing some fanart for a well-known webcomic called Exterminatus Now… one of the guys running the show there posted a link to my comic in his comments section. So if yeh're looking for ways to increase views then I suppose doing fanart could be a good one, depending on who you do it for and whether they link to you in return.
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Ocka at 5:46PM, Aug. 19, 2007
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…wow… I don't think I ever hit over 10 per day >.>
(Note to self: Organize! Organize! Organize!)

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