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where's the humanity?
subcultured at 10:08PM, June 2, 2007
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this is why the health care industry is getting a bad rap from proffessionals like these. I can't believe someone could be that heartless as to ignore a suffering person. faking or not, the nurse should have gotten a doctor to examine her just to make sure.

and it does happen. some patients fake it, but it's better to play it safe than have such a horrible repercution like this. what do you guys think?


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-king20may20,0,1577522,full.story
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Alexis at 11:47PM, June 2, 2007
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I know most ER's are overcrowded and the doctors are overworked, but that is pretty terrible. Even if someone has a history of hypochondria there is still a chance that they are really ill.
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subcultured at 11:53PM, June 2, 2007
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that hosp is pretty bad.
if i get sick in LA i would never allow them to transport me there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.-Harbor_Hospital

• A critically ill man with AIDS who died March 27 after King/Drew staff inexplicably waited seven hours to transfer him from a medical ward to the intensive-care unit.

• A patient with liver disease, who died March 28 and may not have received the appropriate medication at the right times for low blood pressure. The memo also said an anesthesiologist did not respond to a Code Blue alert, as required.

•A Los Angeles County coroner's report attributes the death of one patient, Robbie Toney, to complications from the placement of her breathing tube, which caused her lung to collapse. The coroner said the March 25 death of the woman, 61, was from a medical accident, not natural causes.For four hours before her death, Toney had complained about pain where the tube had been inserted, county health officials said this week. They are investigating whether doctors and nurses at the county-owned hospital failed to recognize that the pain was a sign of trouble and whether the tube had been placed properly in the first place.

•On August 22, 2003, the Los Angeles Times reported that two women connected to cardiac monitors died after their deteriorating vital signs went undetected. In December 2003, DHS closed the cardiac monitoring ward of King/Drew after a third patient died under questionable circumstances. A consulting group was hired to help fix issues with the nursing staff, with DHS spending nearly $1 million.

•Staff members also admitted to inspectors that they had hit a patient's morphine pump at least five times to deliver additional sedation, even though the device is intended only to be used by patients. The inspectors called this “a very unsafe practice that can lead to over-sedation, respiratory depression or even death,” the letter says.
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mlai at 6:27AM, June 3, 2007
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LOL, it's like a hospital in a dark comedy show. The absolute worst doctors and nurses in the state of California must congregate at this hospital like some sort of magical migration.

Believe you me, there is a humongous spectrum in the quality of hospital and administrative staff in different hospitals.

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Phantom Penguin at 12:08PM, June 3, 2007
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Jesus Christ do those doctors even have degrees in medicine?

“A woman said she was feeling pain where her breathing tube was inserted”
And they didn't fix it?
I have had one week of Combat Lifesaver's School and even I know that means you have to take the fucking thing out.

That level of negligence is unforgivable.
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ZeroVX at 11:21AM, June 4, 2007
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………

I don't ****ing believe it.

I just….

Dear God in Heaven, what's wrong with those people?

I'm stunned. Completely, absolutely, dumbfounded.
“If our own government was responsible for the deaths of almost 100,000 people…..would you really wanna know?”

V for Vendetta, V.
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dueeast at 11:55AM, June 4, 2007
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That does redefine not having a heart. I'm saddened to read this and I hope justice is done.
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StaceyMontgomery at 3:48PM, June 4, 2007
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I have to say, i have had several interactions with Doctors over the last year or two, all on behalf of other people. I have been shocked by their lack of competence, intelligence, interest, and compassion.

I'm sure there are lots of good Doctors out there, where “Good” refers to knowledge, problem solving skills, and a real interest in helping their patients…

But I'm going on faith there, not evidence.
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Disgruntledrm at 8:26PM, June 4, 2007
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Some people may enjoy watching others suffer, perhaps that was the case with the woman who refused to deal with her and the rest of that incompetant medical staff.
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mlai at 7:39AM, June 5, 2007
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Hey guys, bad doctors are a minority. Why do you think only the college kids who get 3.7 GPA apply to med schools? Otherwise you might as well take your herbal supplements for your pneumonia or UTI. Geez.

It's not entirely the little ppl who staff the hospital who is at fault. The admin shares a great deal of the responsibility. When the system runs poorly, with ill-defined and poorly-enforced guidelines, even the best staff cannot give quality service. And if the staff is mediocre to begin with, you get stupid WTF results.

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Hijuda at 8:19PM, June 5, 2007
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Jesus Christ do those doctors even have degrees in medicine?

I'd be amazed if they had a GED.

Anyway, this is probably the most pitiful thing I have ever read. Ever.
It's a comic!

LOLOL LAMFAO
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that kid yellow at 11:16AM, June 6, 2007
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damn
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ZeroVX at 2:43PM, June 6, 2007
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As Jimmy from Superman once said:

“Times like these, I really wish I knew more swear words”.

“If our own government was responsible for the deaths of almost 100,000 people…..would you really wanna know?”

V for Vendetta, V.
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Insanity at 2:57PM, June 6, 2007
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Who Does That?

Honestly, Who Would Do that?!

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I feel a little bit like Hitler right now, too.
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mlai at 10:01AM, June 7, 2007
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Someone
Who Does That?
Honestly, Who Would Do that?!
Underpaid miserable doctors and nurses who have to put up with ungrateful ignorant whining trash day in and day out.

You behave yourself and act like a better person, you get treated better. That's fact of life.

If you act like a fucking dick and die, part of the fault is your own.

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subcultured at 10:19AM, June 7, 2007
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You behave yourself and act like a better person, you get treated better. That's fact of life.

If you act like a fucking dick and die, part of the fault is your own.

umm…so yer blaming the patients for another patient dying?

“well, i'm very sorry to disturb you ma'am but my gut seems to be in a lot of pain. if have the time can you please see if i can get some help?”

“hey there, big guy! it seems that my left arm has gone numb and my chest feels like an elephant is sitting on it, but i see that yer busy with another patient. if you could escort me to the nearest chair i will wait until you are less busy”

“HI! i've been shot and am in a lot of pain, but i see you're drinking yer coffee. i think i can keep the pressure on this GSW until you get that last sip”

i mean…really. that's just absurd.
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StaceyMontgomery at 10:32AM, June 7, 2007
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Mostly, I have found that the people who post on drunkduck are intelligent people with interesting things to say.

But not always.
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mlai at 11:01AM, June 7, 2007
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I don't know about the details of this specific incident. I haven't seen the camera tapes. But neither has anyone else here.

But the inane amount of “OMG WTF kill all doctors LOL” just pissed me off. It just shows the innate hostility and ignorance ppl display towards members of a perceived “privileged class.” Never mind the so-called privilege existed in the 80's and is nonexistent nowadays. Nowadays, doctors are working stiffs, service professionals just like your plumber or home decorator.

They do their job, which happens to be for your health. You don't have an innate right to demand divine intervention from them, from a position of ignorance. You don't treat a waiter that way. You don't treat a plumber that way. You don't treat a car mechanic that way. Why the **** should doctors be treated that way?

Here's an analogy for lawyers. I don't like lawyers due to the nature of my work. But my grandfather was a defense lawyer. Because he believed in the rule of law. He was a pioneer in a backward turbulent country called China in the 1930's. What happened to him? He was mobbed by ignorant peasants who said he's “protecting the criminal.” That's what being “ignorant whining trash” means to me.

Of course the involved staff is to blame in this case. But the rampant bandwagoneering and whining against doctors (not nurses, mind you) in general pissed me off. Perhaps bone up on some common sense and realize that doctors aren't the first responders in this case. For all you know, not a single doctor walked past (and therefore noticed) this patient during this incident.

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Phantom Penguin at 2:40PM, June 7, 2007
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From what I saw no one was speaking for all doctors on earth, just the ones that caused un-needed death.

I mean putting in a throat tube wrong? come on.

People are disgusted that a few professionals, that they trust with their well being and lives didn't just blow past them without careing. They caused the deaths of a few people, threw some money at it, and kept their jobs.

Again, obviously all doctors and nurses don't go running around spreading incompetence and death like some sort of bee spreading pollen.

Its just shocking that all these things happend at one hospital.
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mystery at 2:16AM, June 8, 2007
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Unfortunate doesn't even do the situations justice, horrific would be closer, but still, I'm happy with the treatment I've received when I've been in hospital, and the reason these cases get so much publicity is because they don't happen very often. That doesn't mean however, that hospitals don't need more funding, they will ALWAYS NEED MORE FUNDING. And at all levels, from convincing people to train to be nurses and doctors, to giving them decent wages and ensuring they continue their medical training and of course, ensuring hospitals have the facilities and medications etc they need.
There was a case here in Australia where a man died when he wasn't admitted into surgery in time. This was because the surgeons decided they would have to wait before operating because he was too tired. It should never get to this, this man's death is not the fault of the surgeon, its the fault of the government not ensuring there's enough surgeons so they're not over worked and need to delay surgery because of fatigue. I know I wouldn't have wanted a tired surgeon operating on me when I've been in hospital. Granted, I've only had bones re-set, but if you were in for something major, a sleep deprived doctor, no matter how intelligent, is more likely to make a mistake, and that's not something I would want to risk.
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MagickLorelai at 12:35PM, June 10, 2007
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Mlai, I don't think everyone was criticizing ALL doctors, just the ones who are doing a terrible job of it. There ARE many, MANY good doctors; when I broke my foot, I was sent to WALK around the clinic to each location by a doctor who didn't even want to supply me with some kind of cane to take the pressure off of my foot (this was before we knew it was broken, but still, I was limping and IN there because something was wrong with my foot!), but another doctor, after the broken bone was discovered, not only took care of me IN the hospital, but helped me get back to the car afterwards.

Just because someone has a high GPA doesn't mean they've earned it. Grade inflation anyone? Yeah, it can be difficult to remember everything, but the profession requires a LITTLE patience, a LITTLE compassion for people who are probably in intense, all-consuming, brain-dissolving pain. Yeah, THEY are overworked, they have a lot of stress, but that comes with the job.

and WTF with the comment about patients needing to be more civilized? When you're in pain-of-death, let's see how calm and orderly you are. I don't care who you are, when your intestines are about to rupture, or your heart about to stop, or your arm split in half, or there's a saw in your head, you're not going to sit there and calmly ask that you be seen by a doctor; a hospital is an emergency situation, if they can't handle that pressure, then they should stop calling themselves Medical Doctors!

On topic to what was posted, that poor woman! They didn't even look at her. So much injustice, so much, “Who cares about her? Poor Doctors, being harrassed! They might lose their FUNDING!!” -_-

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Sea_Cow at 8:57PM, June 13, 2007
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Sorry if I came off as some idiot there. I just meant those certain police and that one certain nurse. Sorry for anyone I may have offended.
I am so happy to finally be back home
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kingofsnake at 6:51AM, June 14, 2007
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If theres one thing I learned from scrubs, its that doctors are usually far too busy dancing to practice medicine
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subcultured at 8:07AM, June 14, 2007
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i work in a hospital and i keep wondering where all these doctor and nurses find the time to do all that crap that they show on TV. i barely have enough time to pee and i usually don't even eat when i'm on an 8 hr shift.

from giving medication, checking doc orders, patient's needs, transfers, discharge….so much to do. one thing though, time goes really fast. it's never boring :)
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