Please folks, stick to issues and facts. I understand people hate it when someone else contradicts them, but it is part of a debate forum. Let's leave personal evaluations of others elsewhere.
The answer is, of course, that everyone would like a victory in Iraq. Of course, there are many of us that said then and say now that invasion of Iraq was a Mistake.
Like this guy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
In 1994, this guy explains in very logical tones why the war would be a mistake and what the repercussions of an invasion on Iraq would be.
The preponderance of evidence is, of course, that the United States has destroyed all hope of bringing that victory about. A stable government, a democracy, a free nation - even if that had been the goal - won't come about when the people supposedly trying to make it happen are shooting innocent people EVERY SINGLE DAY, and have made very little headway in stabilizing the infrastructure.
Maybe another country could step in and guide Iraq away from the brink. Maybe. But only if the US is willing to say “we messed up and need help” which isn't going to happen.
What will happen* is that prior to the election in 2008, Bush will declare victory and get out. Whatever he decides at that point will be a victory will be touted by all loyal republicans as a real win for America. It may actually end up putting another dictator in place - so long as that dictator is amenable to his corporate masters. It will almost certainly require the United States to maintain some bases in Iraq, but the media will call it a withdrawal, and those left behind will be ignored.
And it would probably be best for the lives of our soldiers to pretend that they won, so that the people who think they can rewrite reality won't feel that it is in fact a withdrawal (which it will be) but is instead a glorious victory for their leader.*
I would prefer to move that inevitable event to as soon as possible, as that way less people would end up being killed and seriously injured in this debacle.
But it isn't that I'm anti-victory, it's that there is no victory available.
Oh, and anyone who thinks FOX news is accurate has never fact checked them.
* Short of impeachment (impossible), death or injury of major parties involved (unlikely) or economic collapse (probably not until post election 2008). That would change everything.
** I'm willing to tell that lie if it ends this stupid war. Don't tell the morons I'm lying or my plan won't work. :)