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Why John McCain is going to in 49 states in November
Vindibudd at 11:54AM, May 22, 2008
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Excuse me, WIN 49 states.

In all probability, Obama is the Democrat nominee. Obama is, how do I say this, um, Obama is simply not a very bright man. In fact, Obama is just about the dumbest individual that I have seen run for president on a major ticket since, well since ever. Sure, there are a lot more dangerous people that have run for president, people that are lunatics, people that are evil… But no one has ever run for president as a major nominee that has said

there are 57 states.

Okay, to put this in perspective, I might be willing to just write it off as fatigue. But never have I ever been so tired as to not know there are 50 states in the United States.

This man went to Columbia and Harvard. COLUMBIA and HARVARD.

HOW CAN HE NOT EVEN REALIZE HOW MANY STATES ARE IN THE COUNTRY?

50 is a nice even number. In fact, if you have any doubt as to how many states there are, all you have to do is LOOK AT AN AMERICAN FLAG. Now if you are running for PRESIDENT, I guarantee you see flags EVERY SINGLE DAY.

John McCain would lose this election any other year, but seriously, the only way that John McCain doesn't win all the states is if somehow Obama manages to keep his home state of Illinois.

We are looking at an ass-kicking on par with 1984 when Reagan annihilated Mondale 49-1.

And this isn't because we are DYING to have MCCAIN.

This is not to mention, Obama's hugely questionable associations (Wright, Ayers). If I were his campaign manager, I would be losing my mind.

The only thing that surprises me more than Obama being the Democrat nominee is that Hillary was too stupid to effectively campaign against a junior senator with zero executive experience. But then it's not her fault that everyone hates her.

For the record, I cannot stand John McCain. Unfortunately, I will have to vote against his opponent. Likely there is going to be a significant swing in the congress towards the Democrat side and we will get another 4 years of bickering.

Yay. Thank you, Barack, for being a moron, maybe if you wore that lapel pin you refuse to wear, you could see the 50 stars and remember next time you are asked such a tough tough question.
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SpANG at 2:11PM, May 22, 2008
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Obama is just about the dumbest individual that I have seen run for president on a major ticket since, well since ever.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Oh, puh-lease. He meant 47. He wouldn't have said 50 in the first place. What, you never flubbed a line? Flubbing a line makes you stupid? Even if Obama WAS dumb, which I outright disagree with (given your non-factual rhetoric), it never stopped Dubya.

Ladies and gentlemen, the KING of fools…
George W Bush
Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.
George W Bush
I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.
George W Bush
I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft.
George W Bush
I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.
George W Bush
You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that.
George W Bush
Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.
George W Bush
They misunderestimated me.
George W Bush
Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?
George W Bush
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
George W Bush
There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again.
Let's hope, Georgie. :/

btw, those are only his TOP TEN.

Oh, and hey, this one is from your hero…
Ronald Reagan (on a hot mic)
My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
Whoopsie!


I guess if you guys are trying this angle, we could always call McCain elitist then. Like you guys did with Kerry.
“To a rational mind, nothing is inexplicable. Only unexplained.”
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lothar at 5:41PM, May 22, 2008
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Let's not forget mc cain said this

you tell me who's the lunatic
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Ronson at 7:49PM, May 22, 2008
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That's all you have for why you think that Barack Obama is not intelligent? A flubbed line or an offhand sarcastic joke?

Really?

Because the idea that someone who claims a poli-sci degree has absolutely no retention of the issue but only regurgitates FOX talking points is a depressing statement about our educational system. With any luck, Obama will address that when he's president.

Of course, if Grampy “bomb bomb” McBush wins, then we can just look forward to more war and more death and more stupidity that listens to talking points instead of facts.

And if we're going to talk about stupid people running for president, what about McLame's inability to tell the difference between Shia and Sunni? What about his admission that he doesn't understand economics? What about having to consult his staff to find out his position on Africa?

If we want to talk about uncomfortable relationships, what about his seeking the endorsement of anti-Catholic, anti-gay, anti-New Orleans, anti-Semitic Hagee? What about his calling the anti-Semetic Rob Parsley his “spiritual advisor”? What about his upcoming Baptism in the Evangelical faith?

What about having his campaign run by lobbyists that are AT THE SAME TIME working for foreign powers to try to convince HIM to engage in friendly relations? That includes the Myanmar Junta as well as other unsavory characters.

WHAT ABOUT EATING HIS BIRTHDAY CAKE WITH GEORGE W. BUSH WHILE NEW ORLEANS DROWNED?

______

Is Obama a genius? I don't know, but he's a hell of an orator. He inspires the people who think that our country could actually become a community of people who take care of eachother and stand for something bigger than money and power (like integrity and justice).

Is he stupid? No. He's thoughtful and he doesn't talk to the American people like they're children. This may end up being his downfall, if snap judgements on single lines by simple minds are going to rule the day.

I hope you are in the minority Vindibudd, for your sake as well as mine.
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Ronson at 8:03PM, May 22, 2008
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…and lets fix the lies, as long as I'm at it…

Vindibudd
This is not to mention, Obama's hugely questionable associations (Wright, Ayers). If I were his campaign manager, I would be losing my mind.

What relationslhip with Ayers are you speaking of? Also, so long as you are an Ayers expert, please list the crimes he was prosecuted for and add to that all the criminal actions he committed since his release from prison.

…maybe if you wore that lapel pin you refuse to wear, you could see the 50 stars and remember next time you are asked such a tough tough question.

He did not refuse to wear a lapel pin. When asked why he did not, he explained that his actions were more important than jewelry. Something I don't expect you to understand. He actually has worn a flag lapel pin several times, one of which was a gift from a veteran back from Iraq.

I know you claim not to be a FOX idiot, but how can you post these things without even a little bit of research.

Here's the thing: FOX lies. All the time.

Hopefully, you'll keep an eye out for that flag pin with McCain and Hillary … and all the news pundits who think it matters.
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Vindibudd at 9:19PM, May 22, 2008
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Wow, Ronson, who said anything about FOX? I didn't know that people could be assigned a 24 hour news network as an ideological viewpoint.

Nice to go right for the ad hominem.

And what is up with bringing Bush into it? Did I say that Bush didn't say stupid things? Did I say I like McCain? As a matter of fact, I said that I DIDN'T like McCain.

Barack Obama DID say there are only 57 states, am I not right? Ayers is someone that ADMITS to domestic terrorism. Does it matter if he went to prison or not? I guess terrorism isn't terrorism if you don't get put in jail, is that it?

Here's something shocking for you:

I can't vote FOR McCain. I can't vote FOR Romney. I can't vote FOR Huckabee. I can't vote FOR Giuliani. I can't in good conscience vote FOR any of the major Republican candidates. If the Democrats weren't busy putting Hillary up or Barack OBAMA up, maybe I could vote FOR one of them.


How about this line: CAPE GIRARDEAU, Missouri (Reuters) - Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama compared the U.S. housing crisis to the Great Depression on Tuesday during a stop in Missouri, a key battleground state in the November election.

“I don't think that we're … necessarily going in the direction of the Depression,” he said in response to a question during a visit to a suit-making factory.

“There are some similarities, though, to what happened back in the late 20s and early 30s and what's been happening now, and the biggest similarity is how we've been dealing with Wall Street and what's happening in the financial markets.”

Oh really, the Great Depression? Are people jumping out of buildings to commit suicide? Do we have an unemployment rate of 25%? Is farm production down by 50%?

This man wants to be your president and he went to Columbia and Harvard, both private universities and apparently doesn't know the difference between economic catastrophe and a downturn in housing markets.

So please, in response to my post about Obama, rather than assaulting me and my educational background, please show me where the policies of Obama are so transcendental as to be worthy of voting for him for president. Or at least, show me how he is not a moron. Oh, you can't show me he is not a moron by pointing out that Bush is a moron. One does not equal the other.
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Hawk at 9:38PM, May 22, 2008
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So, let's take away the bickering over minor issues. Once that's done, I assume the issue we're talking about here is that we may all end up with a president we don't want because the opposition is even worse. Is that the issue?

If so, it sounds like a pretty typical election to me. Too many times I've heard a person say they were only choosing the lesser of two evils when they go to vote. And I guess it's hard to find a candidate you can like completely… especially if you're of the more cynical persuasion. It's too bad we'll probably never have presidents like the ones you see in Airforce One, Independence Day, or 24.

So Vindibudd… just so I understand, are you saying Obama is more unfit to be president than McCain, or just too stupid to win an election?
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Vindibudd at 9:54PM, May 22, 2008
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Hawk
So Vindibudd… just so I understand, are you saying Obama is more unfit to be president than McCain, or just too stupid to win an election?

No, he's unfit to be president, period. He is not too stupid to win the Democratic primaries, that honor would go to Clinton who has displayed an epic amount of stupidity over the course of the last few months. That is not to say that McCain is fit to be president, but at least he has a policy and a record we can look at over the course of years versus Obama who's wife only got proud of the country when she might be the First lady… We have the choice between an inexperienced but full-blown socialist (Obama), an experienced and full-blown socialist who is a proven liar (Clinton) and an experienced but known backstabbing moderate (McCain).

But I bet you that Hillary and McCain both know how many states are in the country.
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Ronson at 10:07PM, May 22, 2008
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Vindibudd
Wow, Ronson, who said anything about FOX? I didn't know that people could be assigned a 24 hour news network as an ideological viewpoint.

Nice to go right for the ad hominem.

I thought that's what forums were for. Like calling a guy and idiot and a moron based on a single statement.

I'm sorry, but all of your points come from the FOX conservatives, who push false memes to create issues on things that either don't exist or don't matter. Any real analysis would show you that these are false issues.

And what is up with bringing Bush into it? Did I say that Bush didn't say stupid things? Did I say I like McCain? As a matter of fact, I said that I DIDN'T like McCain.

You said that Obama will lose because he isn't as intelligent as McCain. Bush is dumber than dirt and he allegedly one twice. McCain is a rerun of the Bush administration which has driven this country into the ground on so many levels. But let's talk about flag pins and black preachers who say dumb things.

Barack Obama DID say there are only 57 states, am I not right?

So? Does that make hims stupid, or someone who said the wrong words at the wrong time, or someone who was making a joke? Did you even hear the recording? It sounded to me like he might have been making a little joke just for himself because campaigning is so exhausting.


Ayers is someone that ADMITS to domestic terrorism.

Why did he do it? What has he done since then?

Does it matter if he went to prison or not? I guess terrorism isn't terrorism if you don't get put in jail, is that it?

If someone is tried for a crime they committed in the 60's, paid whatever state required penalties are required and then gets on with his life by trying to improve his community, is he still a terrorist. You basically say that since he tried unsuccessfully to blow something up when he was a kid that every action he has taken since then means nothing.

On top of that, Obama only has an association with this guy that is so tenuous that it's laughable to even point it out. They were on the same board for a community committee. He was taken to Ayers house early in his political career. Wow. Geez. How about lobbyists running someone's campaign or backroom illegal land deals in Arizona? That seems a bit more damning.

I can't vote FOR McCain. I can't vote FOR Romney. I can't vote FOR Huckabee. I can't vote FOR Giuliani. I can't in good conscience vote FOR any of the major Republican candidates. If the Democrats weren't busy putting Hillary up or Barack OBAMA up, maybe I could vote FOR one of them.

That's not news. You don't know what you want, just what you don't like. Though you don't actually bother to find the truth about the things you've decided you don't like.

But the only chance someone has of being someone you like is to find someone along the lines of a Ron Paul - who says the things conservatives like to hear without overtly kowtowing to the corporatists. Though Paul's libertarian vision is based on a nonexistant universe where something he calls the “free market” is supposed to exist. It doesn't and it never has and unless you dissolve corporate power it never will.

How about this line: CAPE GIRARDEAU, Missouri (Reuters) - Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama compared the U.S. housing crisis to the Great Depression on Tuesday during a stop in Missouri, a key battleground state in the November election.

“I don't think that we're … necessarily going in the direction of the Depression,” he said in response to a question during a visit to a suit-making factory.

“There are some similarities, though, to what happened back in the late 20s and early 30s and what's been happening now, and the biggest similarity is how we've been dealing with Wall Street and what's happening in the financial markets.”

Oh really, the Great Depression? Are people jumping out of buildings to commit suicide? Do we have an unemployment rate of 25%? Is farm production down by 50%?

Maybe … and I know this will not fit in your head … maybe he wasn't saying it was identical. In fact, I think he said “some similarities”, and if you haven't noticed forclosures are up, and unemployment is up. Those are similiar though hopefully they don't have to get as bad as the Great Depression before the problems are addressed.

This man wants to be your president and he went to Columbia and Harvard, both private universities and apparently doesn't know the difference between economic catastrophe and a downturn in housing markets.

Talk to me about this in 20 years. Right now, you are ignoring the warning signs.

So please, in response to my post about Obama, rather than assaulting me and my educational background, please show me where the policies of Obama are so transcendental as to be worthy of voting for him for president. Or at least, show me how he is not a moron. Oh, you can't show me he is not a moron by pointing out that Bush is a moron. One does not equal the other.

No, I can do it…from Wikipedia:

Moron was originally an English scientific term, coined in 1910 by psychologist Henry H. Goddard from the Greek word moros, which meant “dull” (as opposed to “sharp”), and used to describe a person with a mental age located between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale. It was once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70, being superior in one degree to “imbecile” (IQ of 26-50) and superior in two degrees to “idiot” (IQ of 0-25). The word moron, along with others including “retarded”, “idiotic”, “imbecilic”, “stupid”, and “feeble-minded”, was formerly considered a valid descriptor in the psychological community, though these words have all now passed into common slang use, exclusively in a derogatory context.

In his later years, starting from the 1920s, Goddard recanted his previous theories.

Now, since you are probably not using the Goddard scale, I can't take the easy route and prove from Obama's writing that he has a higher than 12 year olds grasp of the world.

So, what I have to use is the use of “moron” as a derogatory context. I think that you would agree that that is exactly what you meant.

Now, since I don't think he's a moron, and I wouldn't call him a moron, from my perspective that proves he is not. Derogatory terms are, after all, completely based on perspective.

I would say that your assessment is simple minded and poorly founded. So far, you're reasoning is that he can't be intelligent because he said “57 states” and because he doesn't agree with your contention that “similar” isn't the same word as “identical”.

I think it boils down to your definition of “moron”. Basically, anyone you have a problem with is your definition of a “moron”. My definition of a “moron”, were it to be similar to yours, would include a host of different people, but be essentially as irrational. I choose my words more carefully.

A moron would be, in my estimation, someone who thinks they know an awful lot about something that even a cursory examination would show they do not. They would have a tendancy not to tolerate or understand the viewpoints of others, and they would almost certainly be unable to see that “similar” is not the same as “identical.”
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Ronson at 10:25PM, May 22, 2008
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Again, just to point out the lies…
Vindibudd
…versus Obama who's wife only got proud of the country when she might be the First lady

What she actually said that, as a result of her meeting the positive, active Americans who want change in our country, that for the first time in her adult life she was really proud of her country.

Adult life…Michelle is 44 years old. If she was an adult at 18, she was an adult beginning with Reagan (Contras, hostage deal), Bush Sr. (Desert Storm), Clinton (NAFTA) and Bush Jr. (Iraq War, torturer)

…yeah, that's about right to me.

And REALLY proud is different from proud. A linguistic variation you seem to have trouble again.

And again, I don't want to pound this every time, but the idea that she said that she was only proud because she might be first lady is direct from the mouth of Sean Hannity. He's been pounding on that for MONTHS. If you aren't listening to 24 hour FOX news, you must be so in tune with them that you can make up the same lies.


… We have the choice between an inexperienced but full-blown socialist (Obama)

Not really. Nothing Obama has said or done would even show a tendency to lean towards socialism. In his early career, he could have been charged with leaning slightly to the left, but his record certainly doesn't reflect any socialist tendencies.

Believe me, I wish there were. Isolationism isn't really a great policy.

an experienced and full-blown socialist who is a proven liar (Clinton)

Hillary is a moderate corporatist, just like Bill. She just thinks that growing the middle class boosts the economy, just like Barack. Guess what? They're right. But they aren't socialists.

and an experienced but known backstabbing moderate (McCain).

Well, see, I can make you feel better about that. Reports of McCain's backstabbing are grossly exaggerated. By examining his record one can easily see that he often stated one thing and voted with his party - or voted against his party only when he knew his party would win the vote anyway.

So see, he isn't really a backstabber, he's an opportunist and a liar. You know, a Republican.

But I bet you that Hillary and McCain both know how many states are in the country.

That's right. Say a lie long enough and people will believe it.

Because he has to be a moron because you say so. Now, of course, he wrote this speech:



Which is full of the nuance and understanding that people who hate will never understand.

I'm done. I'll just point out your lies as we go, but otherwise this isn't a debate, just a blowhard spouting lies and ignorance.
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StaceyMontgomery at 4:53AM, May 23, 2008
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I have to say, i just watched a McCain press conference where it became obvious that he had not the slightest clue how the Iranian government worked, or who was in charge there. He even mocked the reporters who tried to correct him. I've always thought of McCain as a foreign policy/security guy so this one really startled me.

oh wait - here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1woXjOUVKE

I have not seen a retraction/slip of the tongue thing for this, apparently, he really believes it. That's not encouraging.


As for Obama, I have to admit, the “egghead elitist” charge and the “moron” charge don't seem to go very well together. You can certainly make a case that he can get too nuanced, whereas the electorate seem to prefer their presidents to be very clear and not too brainy.

Personally, I think that McCain and Obama would both make good Presidents. I tend to favor Obama lately, mainly because i think we need a real change of direction in the Middle East. “Bomb bomb Iran” just doesn't get there for me.
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ozoneocean at 5:20AM, May 23, 2008
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Good post Stacey! That's my opinion of Obama too. I'd rather see a llot less tension with iran.

Vindibudd. Please. Don't do that. Posting image Macros in this sub forum is NOT done. Not as a substitute for text.
 
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kyupol at 7:58AM, May 23, 2008
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John McCain says its ok to stay 100 years in Iraq.




I agree with him because its a place where all those al-quaeda terrorist scumbags live. Who hate all the free nations in the world and are part of a global islamic conspiracy to turn the world into an islamic empire.

Everyone who doesnt agree with John Mccain is unpatriotic and is a terrorist supporter of al-quaeda and should be tasered and thrown in secret prisons. Most importantly, they have to be re-educated. Their ideology has to be the correct ideology.

I also think the internet should be censored because its a breeding ground for terrorists and those stupid “9-11 is an inside job” conspiracy nutjobs.

BOMB BOMB BOMB… BOMB BOMB IRAN!!!

lol!
NOW UPDATING!!!
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arteestx at 10:38AM, May 23, 2008
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Vindibudd
Excuse me, WIN 49 states.

A Republican candidate is going to win 49 states in 2008? Republicans can't even win in Republican districts. Democrats are winning special elections left and right, even with Republicans desperately linking the Dem candidates to Obama and Wright. Here are the three canaries in this election coal mine:

1) Democrats won Illinois 14th District seat held by Republican former Speaker of the House Dennis Hasert for 21 years, and the district that Bush got 55% in 2004. Republicans have held this seat for 76 years, except for the 2 years immediately after Watergate. This is a Republican stronghold that should have been easy to keep. They spent over $1 million trying to keep the seat and lost.

2) Democrats won Louisiana's 6th District seat, a GOP stronghold that Bush won by 19 points in 2004 and had been held by Republicans for 33 years. The National Republican Congressional Committee and other conservative groups poured $1 million into this race, linking the Democratic candidate to Obama and Pelosi and even Rev. Wright. And it didn't work; the Republican lost.

3) and in a complete shocker, the Democrat won an unbelievealbe 8-point victory in Mississippi's 1st District, a solidly reliably Republican district Bush won by 25 points in 2004. VP Cheney personally went down to this district to campaign, as did Mike Huckabee, the NRCC spent over $1.3 million trying to defend this seat, and other conservative groups spent hundreds of thousands more. Bush set up a phone message to personally plead with Republicans to go vote. They ran ads of Obama and Rev. Wright, they threw a textbook smear campaign against the Democrat in a heavy GOP district and lost. In a district that Dems shouldn't be remotely competitive, as incredible as it sounds, the Republicans lost.

In special elections all over this country for Republican districts, Republicans are losing seats. Republicans can't win in Republican districts, and you think McCain is going to win 49 states because Obama made a flub? Republicans are in open panic about the election this year, and they are absolutely correct to do so.

McCain is the only Republican running in his primaries and 20% of Republicans still won't vote for him. The NRCC is broke and the DNCC is awash in money. In fact the NRCC blew half their money trying to hold on to heavy Republican districts and are 0 for 3. Obama is setting records in both money and crowds that McCain only dreams he could get. Despite what is happening now, the Democratic party will come together after the primary and will unify against McCain. People are voting Republicans out all over the country, even in heavy Republican districts. And you think McCain will have a 49 state sweep? Good luck with that.



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bobhhh at 2:35PM, May 23, 2008
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Vindibudd
Excuse me, WIN 49 states.

A Republican candidate is going to win 49 states in 2008? Republicans can't even win in Republican districts. Democrats are winning special elections left and right, even with Republicans desperately linking the Dem candidates to Obama and Wright. Here are the three canaries in this election coal mine:

1) Democrats won Illinois 14th District seat held by Republican former Speaker of the House Dennis Hasert for 21 years, and the district that Bush got 55% in 2004. Republicans have held this seat for 76 years, except for the 2 years immediately after Watergate. This is a Republican stronghold that should have been easy to keep. They spent over $1 million trying to keep the seat and lost.

2) Democrats won Louisiana's 6th District seat, a GOP stronghold that Bush won by 19 points in 2004 and had been held by Republicans for 33 years. The National Republican Congressional Committee and other conservative groups poured $1 million into this race, linking the Democratic candidate to Obama and Pelosi and even Rev. Wright. And it didn't work; the Republican lost.

3) and in a complete shocker, the Democrat won an unbelievealbe 8-point victory in Mississippi's 1st District, a solidly reliably Republican district Bush won by 25 points in 2004. VP Cheney personally went down to this district to campaign, as did Mike Huckabee, the NRCC spent over $1.3 million trying to defend this seat, and other conservative groups spent hundreds of thousands more. Bush set up a phone message to personally plead with Republicans to go vote. They ran ads of Obama and Rev. Wright, they threw a textbook smear campaign against the Democrat in a heavy GOP district and lost. In a district that Dems shouldn't be remotely competitive, as incredible as it sounds, the Republicans lost.

In special elections all over this country for Republican districts, Republicans are losing seats. Republicans can't win in Republican districts, and you think McCain is going to win 49 states because Obama made a flub? Republicans are in open panic about the election this year, and they are absolutely correct to do so.

McCain is the only Republican running in his primaries and 20% of Republicans still won't vote for him. The NRCC is broke and the DNCC is awash in money. In fact the NRCC blew half their money trying to hold on to heavy Republican districts and are 0 for 3. Obama is setting records in both money and crowds that McCain only dreams he could get. Despite what is happening now, the Democratic party will come together after the primary and will unify against McCain. People are voting Republicans out all over the country, even in heavy Republican districts. And you think McCain will have a 49 state sweep? Good luck with that.




He probably meant 4 to 9, sometimes people misspeak when referring to amount of states.

No harm done.
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Comicracy at 9:44AM, May 24, 2008
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Ewww dont speak bad about the demi god obama, ewwww you must be a racist or a bigot or whatever else the lunatic left would like to lable you as while they worship their golden calf. I've never seen a bigger cult following, the man could come out and say he wants to bomb Iran and you would still be there to whipe his a$$. HYPOCRITICAL LIBERAL MORONS!
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arteestx at 10:04AM, May 24, 2008
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Comicracy
Ewww dont speak bad about the demi god obama, ewwww you must be a racist or a bigot or whatever else the lunatic left would like to lable you as while they worship their golden calf. I've never seen a bigger cult following, the man could come out and say he wants to bomb Iran and you would still be there to whipe his a$$. HYPOCRITICAL LIBERAL MORONS!
Congratulations on adding such poignant and coherent insights to the discussion.

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dueeast at 10:08AM, May 24, 2008
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Comicrazy,

Why do you have to resort to namecalling after making your point? Everyone here knows I have no leftward leanings but you don't do conservatives any favors with this kind of behavior. I believe it's possible for you to make your points without flying off the handle. Please consider my point. Thanks! B)

I may have to write in The Incredible Hulk this year…Bruce Banner for President! If you don't like him, wait till you see his alter ego (don't make him angry, you won't like him when he's angry)! He really gets things done… lol!

Comicracy
Ewww dont speak bad about the demi god obama, ewwww you must be a racist or a bigot or whatever else the lunatic left would like to lable you as while they worship their golden calf. I've never seen a bigger cult following, the man could come out and say he wants to bomb Iran and you would still be there to whipe his a$$. HYPOCRITICAL LIBERAL MORONS!
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Ewww dont speak bad about the demi god obama, ewwww you must be a racist or a bigot or whatever else the lunatic left would like to lable you as while they worship their golden calf. I've never seen a bigger cult following, the man could come out and say he wants to bomb Iran and you would still be there to whipe his a$$. HYPOCRITICAL LIBERAL MORONS!
So this is what it has come to. Our country has become so polarized that you can't support Obama without being labeled a zealot. I am willing to concede that McCain has some positive points, I refuse to demonize him to make the case for Obama. Why can't we have a substantive debate on issues without resorting to character assasination?

Notice how Obama refused to rise to the bait when the media tried to smear McCain with radical preachers? He took the high road and said he was sure that McCain didn't believe that crap.

I think that these discussions have become way to polemic. If we are ever going to solve the mess this country finds itself in, we will have to rise above this divisive crap and reach some kind of consensus.

My gut feeling is that the majority of the American public is capable of common sense when encouraged by their party leaders to do so instead of being fed the polarizing talking points they get now.
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Vindibudd at 7:41PM, May 24, 2008
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So this is what it has come to. Our country has become so polarized that you can't support Obama without being labeled a zealot. I am willing to concede that McCain has some positive points, I refuse to demonize him to make the case for Obama. Why can't we have a substantive debate on issues without resorting to character assasination?

Notice how Obama refused to rise to the bait when the media tried to smear McCain with radical preachers? He took the high road and said he was sure that McCain didn't believe that crap.

I think that these discussions have become way to polemic. If we are ever going to solve the mess this country finds itself in, we will have to rise above this divisive crap and reach some kind of consensus.

My gut feeling is that the majority of the American public is capable of common sense when encouraged by their party leaders to do so instead of being fed the polarizing talking points they get now.

Well apparently as evidenced above, I can't point out Obama's shortcomings without being tagged as a Fox News devotee. So it goes for both sides there.
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bravo1102 at 11:38AM, May 25, 2008
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Obama has some baggage and may be too radical for the majority of US voters. But 49 states? McCain won't win 49 states. Another state will join New Jersey. (please?)

McCain is middle of the road and comes off as someone who is willing to do what is necessary to solve perceived problems.

Neither is an idiot. People who support them are not idiots and have their reasons, though some are a little knee-jerk and overly simplistic. (I support Obama because he's black. What does running the USA and skin color have to do with each other? Or genetalia for that matter.)

G.W. Bush is very personable and well-spoken in private. He's a bad public speaker. He really believes in what he's doing and that has clouded his judgement. But he is not an idiot.

Ronald Reagan's comment was meant to be a joke. Humor. It wasn't as bad as Truman insulting and raging against the critics who disparaged his daughter's performances or any number of other historical examples.
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SpANG at 9:24AM, May 27, 2008
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Ronald Reagan's comment was meant to be a joke. Humor. It wasn't as bad as Truman insulting and raging against the critics who disparaged his daughter's performances or any number of other historical examples.
McCain calling his wife a c**t was humour too, I guess. Republicans are so damn funny.
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bravo1102 at 10:04AM, May 27, 2008
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I appreciate the saracasm but I sense you may not have spent a lot of time with ex-military and blue collar/working man types. They use that term to refer to all women and quite readily.

My former First Sergeant used it as a term of endearment for his girlfriend!

It's a different world that most college types who would typically post here just don't see.

I don't know if you have or not, but I felt the same way before I enlisted in the Army and then did work with average working Americans. The ones that Obama says cling to their Bibles and guns and refer to as women f**king c**ts, stupid gashes etc.on a regular basis.

I am not excusing such language merely pointing out how common it is in some circles, including Navy aviators. McCain was a Naval aviator and his father was a career Navy officer. In that world it's just another expletive.

(Please excuse the vulgar language, used only to give concrete examples)
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SpANG at 10:49AM, May 27, 2008
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I appreciate the saracasm but I sense you may not have spent a lot of time with ex-military and blue collar/working man types. They use that term to refer to all women and quite readily.
Golly. Thanks for pointing out my elitism because I think calling a woman a c*nt is not endearing.

First you tell us how the use of the term is “accepatble” in some circles, then you qualify your statement by saying you don't condone such language. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Just because people “do it quite readily” doesn't make it acceptable. In ANY circle.

And yet conservatives held on to Obama dumbly using the term “sweetie” to a reporter like rabid dogs on a pork chop.

The ones that Obama says cling to their Bibles and guns and refer to as women f**king c**ts, stupid gashes etc.on a regular basis.
Yeah, nice. Now you are making stuff up. He never said that. Ever.

Way to prove your point by lying.

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bobhhh at 1:18PM, May 27, 2008
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It's clear that emotions and partisan rancor trump common sense these days. Who knows, maybe it was always that way.

I recently got a stinging PQ saying that I made someone sick for having an opinion about the war. He basically chastised for having an opinion on the war when I had never served. Never mind that everyone is entitled to an opinion, not to mention I have lost way too many of my freinds to this unneccessary war. The real clincher was that he couldn't see that I was actually trying to support the troops in my own way because his ideology insists support the war or you are against the troops. Stay the course or you are for surrender.

I am hoping against hope that the American public will not fall into that polemic trap this time. To hear McCain talk about patriotism and support of the military and then shoot down the new GI Bill, well I have to wonder what does support the troops and thank them for their scarifice really mean to him?

I used to respect McCain, but this election cycle has shown him to be an old style political opportunist, and I don't think that will fly with the majority of Americans this time around.
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bravo1102 at 4:43PM, May 27, 2008
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To clarify what I said: that I didn't find it acceptable, but that doesn't mean that others that I have been with don't find it acceptable. They did.

I remember feeling the same way when I got off the bus in Fort Knox to begin basic training. I learned that I didn't know what I thought I did. And I still don't. But I also know that there are different social norms in the world and people have differing attitudes. I hold onto what I believe, change what I can and tolerate what I can't.

I have to tolerate people saying c**t. Top's (First Sergeant) girlfriend didn't mind. Neither did his female friends. It's the way Top is. My last two bosses used it the same way. They at least knew they couldn't drop it everywhere, but they didn't hold to any ideals about language. One (Bob) could expound on the origin of the term and go over why it was so offensive, but he still used it because in the end he said it is just a word. I change what I can and put up with what I can't.

I didn't lie; I was using the media's interpretation of a speech that I heard the audio to multiple times where he did use the cling to guns and bibles remark. Of course the remark grew in the re-telling and I used it as an example of how some (like those elitists) may see the “fly-over country” shlubs. Who were also insulted by John Kerry as not being able to get anywhere due to ignorance which is why they joined the military?


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And bobhhh, saying you can't crit. the War or the military because you never served is like saying you can't criticize Congress because you were never a Congressman.

Though having served gives a whole new perspective of the tragedy of what's going on that non-veterans don't readily see.
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SpANG at 9:33PM, May 27, 2008
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And bobhhh, saying you can't crit. the War or the military because you never served is like saying you can't criticize Congress because you were never a Congressman.

Though having served gives a whole new perspective of the tragedy of what's going on that non-veterans don't readily see.
And exactly who says that YOUR perspective is correct? It's not like veterans and active service members aren't above being lied to. As a matter of fact, because it is the DUTY of an active service member to support the President no matter what, I find anything the military tells me suspect. That's not just my RIGHT by the way. That's MY DUTY as an American to question my government.

But getting back to McCain calling his wife a c*nt. He didn't say it with his “fellow soldiers”. He didn't say it with a circle of friends that would find it acceptable. He said it in PUBLIC, in front of REPORTERS, and he meant it in a HOSTILE WAY.
At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, “You're getting a little thin up there.” McCain's face reddened, and he responded, “At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.” McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day.

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ozoneocean at 10:25PM, May 27, 2008
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And bobhhh, saying you can't crit. the War or the military because you never served is like saying you can't criticize Congress because you were never a Congressman.

Though having served gives a whole new perspective of the tragedy of what's going on that non-veterans don't readily see.
And exactly who says that YOUR perspective is correct?
It seems to me that Bravo isn't saying that his perspective is correct, just that his experiences lend him a “different” insight. Which is perfectly true. ^_^
He's being rather conciliatory there.

Wow, McCain said that? That's pretty nasty. Either he's got a very GOOD relationship with his wife (where they let each other get away with that sort of talk), or that couple is only for show. I can't think of any other alternatives…
 
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Naughtelos at 10:26PM, May 27, 2008
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First, if I pride myself on anything, it's that I'm not delusional, I LIKE Obama, I loathe Hillary, and McCain is out of the question at this point. I'm left wing, liberal, pro-gay marrage, pro-choice and therefore, not nearly “fair and balanced” in my opinions. (see whut ah did there?)
But, before you tune me out, as many of you have, allow me to vomit forth some biased insight. Mind you, I target nobody, I merely state my opinions, this thread is too close to a flame war as is.
I would have Voted for McCain back in 2000, that was before he “sold his soul” to the Dubya administration's policies. Honestly, I think all he's trying to do now is get elected before he dies- The man's been undoubtably aspiring for such an office since he got into politics, and if you think about it, it's kind of depressing to see it go to waste if Obama gets elected. However, he's running on a minimal-change platform, which is a total mistake- 8 years of bush sent this country into decline
Now, on the topic of elitism, I honestly don't get why it's become such a political swear word. Look what electing a guy we'd like to have a beer with got us, declining currency values, a botched up effort in Iraq (and that's all it is at this point, an effort), a massive national debt converted from a surplus, and a remarkably pissed off public. By now, I'm just about ready for somebody who's on the verge of omnipotent. I'd vote for a guy who knows 18 languages, floats 2 inches off the ground, and has light coming off of him and can recreate a coalition of the willing by sending a crackhead to England and a tampon to Luxembourg as diplomats.
Obama, while he's not perfect, has had so much tabloid-quality flak tossed upon him (not much of it true), it's testament to his leet damage-control skizzles, if you will that he hasn't been peer-pressured out of running. And, if there's one thing we need in our president at this time, it's a lot of frikkin damage control. Don't deny it.
So, my points covered, there's my doctrine for this thread, undoubtably biased and full of holes. Hope I at least came across as a little clever, if not wise to some whose opinions differ from my own. Until then, I'll proceed to barracade myself for my words being turned around and flame'd back at me.
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ozoneocean at 10:41PM, May 27, 2008
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HA! That “elitism” tag is hilarious. I think it's a codeword for “Ni**er”. Seriously.
I'd hardly describe Obama as elitist. And it's fricken hilarious in light of his blue blood competitors. Hillary IS elite in every sense of the word, and Bush and McCain are as elite as you can get! Jebus.

Just because a person will swear, mumble, or behave like an inveterate moron occasionally, it doesn't mean they would EVER actually deign to “have a beer” with some lowly dick they don't know from Homer Simpson. The circles those people move in (exclusively), their backgrounds and upbringing mark them out as what they are: elites.

What's Obama? A stylish guy who's intelligent, doesn't mumble, or rant. And who is really quite bland. And these factors mark him out as elite? As opposed to the others?

Wow. People ARE morons (that's a given), but given the utter lack of support for the “elite” tag we can safely conclude “ni**er” is what they really mean.

Remember that next time you hear a moron describe him that way, justifying why they don't like Obama.

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Not liking him is fine. Not liking any politician is: that's a natural reaction.
But justifying it in such an unusual and false way means they're coving up for their real feelings.
 
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