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Hawk at 5:39PM, July 15, 2011
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Have you ever been the dissenting opinion on a movie, while a sea of critics seem to disagree with you?  Some movies seem to get nearly universal acclaim or disdain, and maybe you tend to stand on the other side of the line.  Here are two examples for me:
Juno (93% on Rotten Tomatoes)
The critics seemed to LOVE this movie.  I did not, and I can list several reasons why.  To me, it felt like Big Hollywood trying to fake an indie movie.  They filled it with the off-beat actors, hammed up the visual design, and backed the entire movie with a cheap folk-music soundtrack that I could not stand, despite the awards it won.
Plus, I'm not a big fan of hipsters.  I know it's trendy to have Ellen Page say things like “home-skillet” and “Thundercats are GO!” (which the Thundercats never actually said) but to me it had the stench of Hollywood trying too hard to create its own quirky Napoleon Dynamite character with twenty times the budget.
It didn't help that we got ANOTHER movie with perpetual weiner Michael Cera.  He should be hard at work making an Arrested Development movie, being a spineless Bluth instead.
Kung Pow: Enter the Fist (11% on Rotten Tomatoes)
I'm sort of embarrassed to admit this, but Kung Pow cracks me up, and I know it's a terrible film.  I think what gets me is the fact that I know they ruined two existing films just to make it, so it has this sort of Mystery Science Theater 3000 feeling for me.
Kung Pow must be what happens when investors and producers are not paying enough attention to the guy making the movie.  He just sort of slips into a basement and comes out two days later and the producer's like, “Woah, hey, wait a minute!  We can't ship this.”  But it's too late, the movie's done.  It's like a terrible casserole that you can still pick the good parts out and enjoy.

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ayesinback at 6:40PM, July 15, 2011
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My entry:  The Notebook
the most sacchrine slop imaginable, imo, yet everyone in my family loves it.  “It made me cry” said MY DAD (!! wha?!  mr football/Combat/bowling-before-BBC).  I watched it on their recommendation, but on DVD, so I could take an hour break every 15 mins.  I impressed myself that I managed to watch it to the end – I must have greater endurance than I usually give myself credit.
But when I received the DVD for Christmas it went back to the store, even though I wanted to keep it so I could stab it.  again and again.
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DAJB at 11:46AM, July 16, 2011
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Daredevil.

I loved the special effects for Matt's super-sense, I thought Affleck acted the part of a blind man pretty well (stupid see-saw sequence aside!) and Jon Favreau gave a characteristically brilliant comic turn as Foggy Nelson.

Never understood quite why it was hated as much as it was.  My theory is that it was just crushed under the weight of all the general anti-Affleck sentiment that followed Gigli and his soap-opera style relationship and break-up with J-Lo.  Definitely long overdue for a re-evaluation, I think.
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I Am The 1337 Master at 9:33AM, July 18, 2011
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DAJB wrote:
Daredevil.

I loved the special effects for Matt's super-sense, I thought Affleck acted the part of a blind man pretty well (stupid see-saw sequence aside!) and Jon Favreau gave a characteristically brilliant comic turn as Foggy Nelson.

Never understood quite why it was hated as much as it was.  My theory is that it was just crushed under the weight of all the general anti-Affleck sentiment that followed Gigli and his soap-opera style relationship and break-up with J-Lo.  Definitely long overdue for a re-evaluation, I think.
but the actor who played Bullseye was fucking terrible.

I still don't understand why some people dislike The Hitchhiker's Guide adaptation.
Dark Pascual at 7:40PM, July 25, 2011
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The “bads” that I enjoy:

The Star Wars Prequels: Is not so much that I think that they are good (cause they're not) but I'm willing to endure the bad parts (crappy romance, Jake Loyd and Hayden Christensen, Jar Jar Binks, lame dialog, etc) to enjoy the few goods (action scenes, Christopher Lee, Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson, and Natalie Portman's midriff at the end of Attack of the Clones… ). And what can I say? I have an abusive relationship with the franchise (I mean, everything can be as good as Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, right?)

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children: The design is beautiful if a little bit colorless at times, the animation is brillant, the characters look amazing without fall into the Uncanny Valley and the sound and music is fantastic. The plot is confusing, even if you played the games, but the movie is just pretty to see and listen.

Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions: I think that the problem is that the first one was so great, that the expectatives for the sequels were pretty high. I think that the second one was as good as the first one, and the third one, while slightly boring and not enough time in the Matrix, I kinda like the Messianic OVERTONES into the story and how Smith became progressively more deranged and “human” while Neo became more mechanic (it could be the cast of Keanu Reeves…)
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DAJB at 12:31PM, Aug. 9, 2011
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Dark Pascual wrote:
The “bads” that I enjoy:
 
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions: I think that the problem is that the first one was so great, that the expectatives for the sequels were pretty high. 
That wasn't my problem.  The issue I had with those films wasn't so much that they were bad  in themselves (although I did hate the multiple Agent Smiths!) but that they were unnecessary and therefore diluted the original.  It's like 2001.  Great film but the sequel 2010 adds nothing to it.  Everything remotely “intelligent” was said in the first movie and the sequels were just narrative padding - enjoyable enough on some level, but basically just action movies with some stand-out special effects sequences.
Genejoke at 2:46AM, Jan. 11, 2012
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Juno (93% on Rotten Tomatoes) The critics seemed to LOVE this movie.  I did not, and I can list several reasons why.  To me, it felt like Big Hollywood trying to fake an indie movie.  They filled it with the off-beat actors, hammed up the visual design, and backed the entire movie with a cheap folk-music soundtrack that I could not stand, despite the awards it won. Plus, I'm not a big fan of hipsters.  I know it's trendy to have Ellen Page say things like “home-skillet” and “Thundercats are GO!” (which the Thundercats never actually said) but to me it had the stench of Hollywood trying too hard to create its own quirky Napoleon Dynamite character with twenty times the budget. It didn't help that we got ANOTHER movie with perpetual weiner Michael Cera.  He should be hard at work making an Arrested Development movie, being a spineless Bluth instead. 
I think Juno is one of the worst movies I have ever had the misfortune to see.  I hate it so much that Ellen page being in a film puts me off it.
Like DAJB I thought daredevil was alright, certainly not terrible.  
And the star wras prequels aren't that bad at all, sure there didn't live up to the hype but they aren't bad.
Avatar, people seem so keen to hate it for very little reason.  The plot isn't original?  what plot it? NONE made in the last twenty years.  The message didn't bother me, certainly wasn't as heavy handed as some of steven seagals movies or ferngully.  
Wall E
Hands down pixars worst movie. 
ozoneocean at 6:13AM, Jan. 11, 2012
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I Am The 1337 Master wrote:
I still don't understand why some people dislike The Hitchhiker's Guide adaptation.
Because it was lame. It wasn't bad, it was just generally lame. There were a lot of great things in it and good ideas, but there were some things that ruined it.
The guys who Ford Prefect, some tool who calls himself “Mos Def” was chief among them. He just couldn't act for crap. This pretty-boy lump just mumbled his way through everything. His only real role was to be a himbo and to pretend to look cool.
Many British people tend of have this bizarre and vaguely racist idea that only back people can be “cool” (insert “have big penises”, “have natural rhythm”, “a natural aptitude for sports” or whatever other mistaken well-meaning racist meme you want in there, it all comes from the same place), so they shoehorn a rap celeb like Mos Def into an acting part he could never possibly handle.
To be the “cool” one.
At least he looked good in his outfits…
 
The other thing was that Martin Freeman was just plain bad as Arthur Dent. Yeah he was good in The Office, but there really wasn't anything TOO that role. He did the same sort of thing in Hitch Hiker's guide, playing a sort of confused, bemused observer which is WRONG for the character and absolutely NOT why Arthur dent is funny or interesting.
 
Arthur Dent is meant to be a complete fish out of water, he's supremely out of his depth. The other aliens think he's useless and in the way and they're so much more sophisticated than he is… (when in reality they're all idiots too). But Arthur is also supposed to be the classic “Englishman” abroad (the is what the idea of HitchHiker is based on). He's meant to be supremely confident in his right as an Englishmen to help him prevail in all situations and the power of quaint English traditions keep him grounded (tea etc).
 
It's based on an old fashioned Noel Coward type comedy theme that lampoons and satirises the Englishman abroad (speak loud enough to the natives in English and they will understand you, ask to see the British consulate repeatedly when anything goes wrong).
 
Freeman is just a yob and a blob. Like Mos Def, he's simply not suited to that sort of role. His office Stable-mate, the guy who played Gareth would probably have doe a better job or even better: Chris Barrie.
 
Genejoke at 8:49AM, Jan. 11, 2012
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Chris Barrie would have been an excellent Arthur dent,  I did think Alan Rickman was cast well, and to a lesser degree sam rockwell.  You right overall it isn't a bad movie just half baked, and about Mos def, he was a terrible choice.
Tantz Aerine at 12:51PM, Jan. 22, 2012
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(I hated Juno too, and would have preferred there was only one Matrix movie) 

At the probability to get clobbered for this, I strongly dislike the Harry Potter series.


And I use ‘strongly dislike’ rather than ‘hate’ because I used to love them up until Order of the Phoenix came out as a book, methinks… The premise is excellent and so is the spin on some elements, but from a point onwards there's too much bad handling of plot devices, plot arrangement, villain villainy is laughable (with the exception on some really chilling stuff lifted from KKK and Nazi practices with a sprinkle of satanic/black magic rituals), the caste system projected through the entirety of the series is obscene and I think it packs more nightmare fuel for kids than it does benefits. :/


And the movies bored me- with the exception of maybe Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.  
 
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Call Me Tom at 1:36PM, Jan. 22, 2012
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I love films that everyone else calls bad, Tokyo Gore Police is one of my all time faves (Tho most of my friends find the gore in it to much to watch)! But something quite shocking happend I found out how odd my tast in flims is when I when I clicked on the like button on Puppet master: Axis of evil! Only ONE other person in apart from me had “Liked” that flim…. What the Hell! How is it that with six Billion people in the world only TWO people liked that flim!?! Okay it wasn't a good as the first Puppet master but that flim was Awesome! How baddly of is my taste in flims if I'm one hafe of the people who like this flim? (Okay I know that not every one is no facebook but still!)
P.s. Check out The Lost Skeleton of Cadvra its awesome!
ayesinback at 5:08AM, Feb. 8, 2012
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HUGO
 
Granted, it's sumptious eye candy, but then so are many picture books, and with picture books the pace can pick up.  This film just slogged.  The characters are 2D, there's very little story – and it's received 11 Oscar nominations.  I don't get it. 
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bravo1102 at 12:15AM, Feb. 9, 2012
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ayesinback wrote:
HUGO
 
Granted, it's sumptious eye candy, but then so are many picture books, and with picture books the pace can pick up.  This film just slogged.  The characters are 2D, there's very little story – and it's received 11 Oscar nominations.  I don't get it. 
Movies don't get Oscar nominations for pacing (except for film editing) most are for the creation of pretty pictures.  Hugo is a very pretty picture and a wonderful technical achievement.  That the story drags means it won't get Best Screenplay unless the story is full of magnificently realized and intensely boring characters who are so into themselves and their angst that all the other members of the Academy just have to recognize that pretentious brilliance.
 
2001: a Space Odyssey dragged on and on and on and has put me to sleep twice.  To a modern audience Gone with the Wind is incredibly long and dull and drawn out.
ozoneocean at 1:40AM, Feb. 9, 2012
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It's important to remember that the Oscar committee are just ordinary people like everyone else, with no special amount of taste or intelligence or whatever. All they have is a bit more film industry experience than most people.
So popular stuff that appeals to anyone else appeals to them too, but because they're part of a prestigious award they like to skew their picks to things that will make them look smart or cultured. They're also impressed by big names and hammered with a lot of lobbying from studios that have a lot invested in certain pieces.
(Studios that have HIRED those big names to direct their movies, for example).
 
So Oscars are not a good indication of quality. At best they say:
It's a competent film, reasonably widely liked, just smart enough, and has actors or a director in it that have a good reputation.
 
Genejoke at 10:23AM, Feb. 10, 2012
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It's important to remember that the Oscar committee are just ordinary people like everyone else, with no special amount of taste or intelligence or whatever.


They (the oscar comittee that is) would hate to hear this and i bet would emphatically deny that statement.

 
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ayesinback at 6:26AM, Feb. 11, 2012
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Genejoke wrote:
“It's important to remember that the Oscar committee are just ordinary people like everyone else, with no special amount of taste or intelligence or whatever.”

They (the oscar comittee that is) would hate to hear this and i bet would emphatically deny that statement.
    
 

hhmmm
 
When I was in school, I was invited to join The Academy.  I didn't have the cash for membership dues so I didn't, and the offer didn't come my way again (rats!)
 
but believe me, at best “ordinary” is what I would have brought to the table - and I have to believe that's true of several others.
 
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Hapoppo at 6:42AM, Feb. 15, 2012
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The Expendables has a purely nonsensical, cliche, and stupid story, which I'm sure is to be expected of action porn, but… it was also just so BORING.  If this was action porn, then the proverbial action pants stayed on through the whole thing.
And I know it's not a movie, but Big Bang Theory.  A few of my friends just crack up over the show, and looking on the internets I saw that it was critically acclaimed, but… every un-funny joke any of the boring characters made just made me want to slap them even more.
Genejoke at 12:11AM, Feb. 16, 2012
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Hapoppo wrote:
The Expendables has a purely nonsensical, cliche, and stupid story, which I'm sure is to be expected of action porn, but… it was also just so BORING.  If this was action porn, then the proverbial action pants stayed on through the whole thing.
And I know it's not a movie, but Big Bang Theory.  A few of my friends just crack up over the show, and looking on the internets I saw that it was critically acclaimed, but… every un-funny joke any of the boring characters made just made me want to slap them even more.
I disagree with the first but the second… hell yeah. can't stand that show.
ozoneocean at 3:15AM, Feb. 16, 2012
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I couldn't stand it (Big bang theory) when I saw it initially either- it was about halfway through he first season.
 
I just couldn't understand the characters!
The Sheldon character was obviously gay, the rest were effeminate, pseudo-nerdy hipsters who're painfully self concious about their personal fashion sense and like to whine and pretend they're all Woody Allen… And of course the strange sexual tension between Raj and Howard.
 
Actually I thought they were ALL gay, which was fine, except they liked girls? Very very confusing!
 
But I got bored when I finished all the series that I was following so I thought I'd try and watch the Big Bang theory from the very beginning so I could unravel the mystery.
 
THEN I got it! They dress and act that way because that's how Hollywood thinks young nerdy scientists behave! (NEVER seen ANY that are like that unless they are pretty campy and gay)… I mean, for the real thing they don't tend to have either neat or short or even clean hair, often bearded heavily, often a bit paunchy, bad dress sense, yes to indie T-shirts, but usually dirtier and more well worn…
 
But, whatever, they're extremely cartoonised, highly artificial sitcom characters, but they're easier to understand when you realise that is what is going on and it's not what they're supposed to be. When I finally GOT that they are supposed to represent those actual scincey types things started to fall into place.
 
Hawk at 10:57AM, Feb. 16, 2012
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I'm one more person who does not like the Big Bang Theory.  I think pop culture references are among the cheapest forms of humor there are.  We like to feel clever when a Big Bang character or Peter Griffin mention something we recognize but thought was too obscure for TV.  And sometimes it really is fun.  But the truth is, it's easy to name-drop 80's stuff or geek culture for quick, cheap humor and endearment.  That's what Big Bang Theory relies on.  Not true cleverness, not interesting character dynamics.
 
Also, Sheldon gives me the willies, and I can't figure out why.  It's probably that buggy, piercing gaze paired with the sexual deviant smile.  I don't plan on watching any more of the show to figure out exactly what his deal is.
 
We're not really “dissenting opinion”, though… the show technically failed, and for some reason the TBS network saw fit to try and save it.  This irritates me because I like watching Conan O'Brien and they're constantly cross-promoting his show with Big Bang Theory in a futile effort to legitimize the purchase of the show.  Every couple of days you'll see a Big Bang cast member as one of Conan's guests.  And I thought it was irritating watching Chuck cling to the rim of the toilet bowl.  Just die already.
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Another passenger riding the tangent:  I don't like Big Bang either.
 
What I noticed immediately (and has been confirmed via the non-ending promos for the show) is that the character portrayals were too similar to the asperger traits I've seen over many years.  Those diagnosed with aspergers frequently have awesome talents in varied intellectual areas combined with a shocking lack of social grace, are often called geeks, and are usually mocked or laughed at by their “typical peers”.  The thing is, they know they are laughed at, but are poorly equipped to remedy the situation because they lack much social ability.
 
For me, Big Bang is as acceptable a show as one that would laugh at blind people's inability to see.  “See how he walked right into that wall?!!   har har har”  Obviously, that's just my feeling – I don't know what the producers intended with the show, and I'm probably overly sensitive to the difficulties faced by those with aspergers - but I cannot endorse the show.  
 

 
so maybe liking this show is the dissenting opinion  ?
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Product Placement at 3:24PM, Feb. 16, 2012
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ozoneocean wrote:
And of course the strange sexual tension between Raj and Howard.
 
You want sexual tension? Look up those youtube videos of the Big Bang Theory, where the laugh track has been edited out. After every other sentence, there's a long an uncomfortable silence, where they awkwardly stare at each other, while occasionally looking away.

It feels like I'm watching the beginning of Brokeback, all over again.

…oh right. There's also this.
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ozoneocean at 12:07AM, Feb. 17, 2012
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Aw, that scene was sweet :)
 
@Hawk- Yes, pop-culture gibes are lazy and make you cringe, but they're not what the likeability of the show is based on by any stretch. The purpose of the pop-culture stuff is very specific:
I lets the audience know that these people are supposed to be “nerds”, but in a likeable way that they can identify with because what they reference is not actually nerdy at all, its 100% mainstream, but still has a nerdy stigma.
 The humour and likeability of the show is based on the social awkwardness of the characters and how they slowly grow out of that as the series progresses as well as their interactions with each other.
 
@Ayes- Out of all of them only Sheldon is really like an Aspergers case, the rest are just normally socially awkward.
What's funny about Sheldon isn't so much his crazy tics like his OCD, it's his towering arrogance and the way it's often punctured by the other characters. 
I don't think it is in any way making fun of a disability, it's more like giving that character with the disability a personality and having them be funny in their own right.
 
 There we are, the dissenting opinion for the dissenting opinions! ^_^
Mainly The Big Bang theory is a very cozy, very mainstream sitcom with faint pretensions to alternative culture, and yet it's just smart enough not to be on the same undersea level as something like Everybody Loves Raymond or Two and a Half Men.
 
fallopiancrusader at 1:12PM, July 15, 2014
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I don't know if this is a dissenting opinion or not, but I didn't like Star Wars (the original one). Nor did I like any of the Star Trek movies. I couldn't get into The Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones either. 
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