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that's another difference

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and can someone explain this
http://www.platinumstudios.com/film-and-digital/digital-publishing-drunk-duck/

it really looks weird to me - but it has inspired an idea for a panel

Genejoke wrote:
DD is windows and CF is Linux.

HA! Lawrence and Zac would HATE that comparrison :D
They wanted “the Duck” to be the Apple of webcomics…

@Ayes- They're just promoting their DD profile, not indicating ownership or anything like that. Basically “DD is this webcomic site thing, we have some of our published stuff on there too, go and have a read of it”

well if it ran smoothly, made the duck the brand name for webcomics and actually did claim all rights to comics posted here it would be.

LOL!

I think DD currently is more like the early builds of Android ^_^

…on one of those original Android phones that's waiting ages and ages for an update to the newer OS versions…

Genejoke wrote:
You know what the real difference between CF and DD is? aside fromt he big company vs small independent thing that is.
Here you have admins actively pushing the community and helping promote comics, on CF it is much more user run.
DD is windows and CF is Linux.

I think the jury's out on which one is better. :] oz and I try to be champions here, but things always get filtered through our own preferences and experiences. It's hard to try and properly highlight all the things we think are valuable to the site, sometimes.

Speaking of, I'm very happy to see you posting again JNP. :]

Abt_Nihil wrote:
However, for me, dd has always been about the community. I feel
appreciated here, whereas on ComicFury, I'm basically just another
person posting comics in anonymity - much as it was on smackjeeves,
before I joined dd. I'm not one to advertise my own stuff a lot, and the
only thing I can really do is try and make good comics, and hope people
will appreciate them.

JustNoPoint wrote:
One thing you have to remember is that when we started on DD it was the same. It took months to years before we felt “welcomed” by the community. And in my case since DD was the 1st place I posted my comic even 1 commenter made me think this place was awesome.

I know ppl on CF that feel the same way. They tried DD and it was like posting in a sea of anonimity. But they think CF has the best community ever. It's just which ever community you get to first and which one notices you 1st. I made a lot of friends on DD but I'm doing that on CF too.

I don't think it's a matter of where I went first. I really believe it's because dd is more awesome :P I signed up on smackjeeves first, then on dd, and then on ComicFury. And basically, all I did on each was that I kept posting my comics, read ), and posted in the forums (rather sparsely). And while I did get some nice feedback on each site, dd has always been by far the best. I attribute it to what Oz said: It's more mature than smackjeeves, for instance, and just fits my own taste best. I like people to be mature enough to understand irony, for instance, but at the same time to be able to lead serious discussions, and to be generally friendly and polite.

I started my comic on Comicgenesis, and it was a good server to use, but I didnt get any feedback or stuff. Then I mirrored over to Drunk Duck, and I had people comment…comic saved! whoot!
Now with the change I dont know what my stats are here, but my comments have plumeted, but thats just the way things go.
(lots of comments were just 5 votes but they were validation to me!)
I still stick around here, and well as for Comic Gensis, I have moved from there to my own server using comic press.
Blood Bound continues
I do miss seeing the green duck around, I hope they re introduce him back onto the site, he was an insperational mascot.

More like “Dead Duck” these days, amirite?

I wonder about the site's post-redesign traffic. It feels like a ghost town around here (but a gaudy, lurid ghost town, so not in a good way). If that's really the case, one would think a noticeable decline in ad revenue would encourage Wowio to finish the site overhaul to get those hits back, especially if the company is worried about DD hemoraging money.

It's gotten to the point that I rarely remember to even visit DD anymore. That's got to be true for a lot of others too. If Wowio waits too long, it won't just lose a community, it'll lose it's whole original investment. So I'd make the case for throwing good money after good money now instead of waiting for it all to turn bad later.

http://youtu.be/ohjxot5i-jc

I like the forum threads on CF, about as much as I liked the DD forums. IMO it's all basically the same kind of thing. Kyo is a cool laid-back forum admin who also likes to post, AND he can fix his own site, unlike poor Ozone and Skool who just has to bend over andtake it from all the complainers. That feeling of approachability and empowerment is important: if you notice a bug, tell Kyo and he can do something about it, yay.

Ofc we have to keep in mind the recent influx of DD forumers to the CF forum, such as myself. That makes the transition easier.

I do feel the CF forum is aLOT better than the SJ forum. That place has heavy-handed admins who don't think twice about alienating new posters, and think showing blatant favoritism is cool. It's especially hilarious to see various SJ forumers constantly suck up to the SJ forum admins. Like, why? The entire forum has a toxic atmosphere.

We should compare the 3 forums to high schools.

DD forum is like the class of smiling Brady Bunch kids patting each other on the head. But our class trip to Tahiti wascut shortwhen our plane crashed on a deserted island filled with flesh-eating boars and now our numbers are dwindling. We got the radio working and some Banana Republic responded saying they'll send helpas soon astheir national economy recovers.

CF forum is like the tribe of aborigines on the next island over. The kids are afraid to swim over because they hear the aboriginesare cannibals. The group that do swim over, howver, finds a pack of easygoing natives smoking mushrooms and shooting the shit all day long. They're not Stepford-civilized, but they ain't bad at all. And the island isn't filled with man-eating pigs.

The SJ forum is the next next island over. The class from the cast of Mean Girls crashed there. The ruling clique of the in-crowd regularly sacrifices members of the Special Ed class to the man-eating pigs, and everyone on the island has homosexual sex to pass the time.

mlai- hahaha :]

Mystic Hand- the trouble is that they already hemmorhaged the money. The site was supposed to relaunch a year ago. When they realized the old codebase wasn't going to cut it they had to plan for farther out and they set a date in March. March was approaching and the new site was so unready for use they had to revise again- there was a soft date in May, but based on the beta testing and feedback it still wasn't ready. They bought time til July when the final changeover happened- however by then the relaunch had been delayed so long, and there were financial consequences. They were able to spend about 3 weeks fixing things before they hit problems. So now Wowio had to cut back massively until they can fix their financial situation. I'm not saying DD is the cause of that, but I'm sure it's a factor. They're well aware the site and community are struggling along but there is nothing they can do right now. Lawrence and them are incredibly frustrated but I guess it's not a great time to be trying to find money anyplace- not without destroying the site with invasive ads etc., which thankfully they haven't resorted to yet.

YO WTF HAPPENED TO THIS SITE?!?!?!??
the duck comics? that doesnt even make sense!!

Look over there!

What?

Duck webcomics!

Why am I ducking for a webcomic? POW!*ooof*

ozoneocean wrote:


They wanted “the Duck” to be the Apple of webcomics…

I can only do what the Duck lets me do, so I'd say they nailed that one.
Here's hoping things get better.

Ah, good to see nothing's changed in the last 3 months. If this was Facebook we'd have a “They'll Put the Drunk Back in Duck if this gets 1,000,000 Likes” page.
I don't truly mind the changes (other than the various annoyances they caused that weren't really related to the name change), although I must say I do find the incredibly loud new color scheme the forums have now to be a bit jarring.

One can only hope. -_-

Heh, all in all this site has been in states similar to this since 2007. We've gone in an out of this entropic vortex…
Currently in a holding pattern, much like the USS Cygnus in The Black Hole.

heh, Cygnus mean Swan! Close enough.
I'm Doctor Hans Reinhardt and Skoolmunkee is Maximilian ^_^

ozoneocean wrote:
One can only hope. -_-

Heh, all in all this site has been in states similar to this since 2007. We've gone in an out of this entropic vortex…
Currently in a holding pattern, much like the USS Cygnus in The Black Hole.

heh, Cygnus mean Swan! Close enough.
I'm Doctor Hans Reinhardt and Skoolmunkee is Maximilian ^_^

I've seen that movie. The Cygnus didn't make it. Hans and Max didn't make it either.

Shoosh! Don't spoil the ending. ;)

I have concerns about ‘The Duck’ as a webcomic hosting site. I'm getting the feeling readers/people are leaving. I don't have proof of that, as I can't look at any statistics on my comic, etc., but looking back at a previous title I worked on, and before the site overhaul, the amount of comments that I was getting per page was at least in double figures. Now, it seems to be on a steady decline.
About a two-thirds of the titles I fav'd now no longer update and about a third just stopped updating after the 6th of July. Another third have updated a few times since then, but have now stopped. That's about 23 titles.
Is there any ‘offical’ word on what's going on, etc.? I like hosting my comic, Vanguard, here but to be honest, if there's no readership, I can't see a reason to continue to update

I think part of the problem is the lack of being able to place adverts ourselves. I never made much from it but it paid for me to advertise elsewhere and that brought in more readers. It does feel like the onlt readers are the drunkduck community now.

The ad thing was a pretty boneheaded decision IMO. In the long term, it's going to deter a lot of the higher quality comics from posting here. I mean, if you've got a good enough comic that people are willing to pay for ad space on it, why would you post here? There is no logical reason why you would.

@MrHades: It's true that a lot of people have left, many of them artists who comment more readily than the casual readers do, so their absence is very pronounced. That said, you may be overreacting a bit. There are plenty of pages in your comic from well before the changeover that had less comments than what you're averaging now. The level of comments on my comic fluctuates a lot too, but I've always just assumed that's normal?

And being near christmas folk are busy, it's very quiet right now.

I'm gonna chime in to defend The Duck.

First, I've been around different communities and while the Duck's taken some hits, it's still a decent place. Also when I first saw Comic Fury I wondered if they knew it was 2011 – the design is pretty freaking horrible. I started on Comic Genesis and I can safely say that between the 3, the Duck's the prettiest. Never been on Smack Jeeves so I can't weigh in there. The big difference has been in the community. Now in my case I had a few people who recognized my work from CG and were welcoming, but initially the Duck was just a mirror for me. The people won me over though, and the Duck became my primary hosting site.

That hasn't changed. And I have my own web space, too.

I don't think the grass is any greener on the other side. I'm not here for the free hosting, I'm here because of everyone else. That's probably why the Duck changes (aside from lack of analytics code) don't phase me. It more or less works, it does most of what I need (let's face it, if I really wanted to I could host on Facebook!) and I like the people. Face facts: no comic hosting site is going to give you tech that you can't get for free elsewhere. It's all about the community, and I still have faith in the Duck's.

Ahem.

I think Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig are conspiring together to ruin everything “Duck”.

fern wrote:
Ahem.

I think Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig are conspiring together to ruin everything “Duck”.

The Cowboys and aliens guys? Was that movie any good?
It'd HAVE to be better than the first comic, that was soooo bland.

El Cid wrote:
@MrHades: It's true that a lot of people have left, many of them artists who comment more readily than the casual readers do, so their absence is very pronounced. That said, you may be overreacting a bit. There are plenty of pages in your comic from well before the changeover that had less comments than what you're averaging now. The level of comments on my comic fluctuates a lot too, but I've always just assumed that's normal?

I didn't want my comment to come off as moaning about lack of readers, etc. Alot of my comments i used to have on Vanguard were just the ‘5’ rating, but they were all lost on the update. Maybe the loss of an easy ‘I’ve read this' button, like the ‘5’ essentially was, is contributing to the perception of fewer readers?
That said, I can use Energize as an example, which used to get tons of comments, but now roughly gets half a dozen a page. It's a great comic BTW :)

The duck got downsized.
What bothers me the most is the lack of progress, sure I get that they have finacial troubles but it feels liek they have pretty much abandoned it. I struggle to believe it would take up massives amiunts of time (and therefore money) to fix a few of the issues.

Genejoke wrote:
The duck got downsized.
What bothers me the most is the lack of progress, sure I get that they have finacial troubles but it feels liek they have pretty much abandoned it. I struggle to believe it would take up massives amiunts of time (and therefore money) to fix a few of the issues.

Yeah, seems weird, doesn't it?
The intention is still there though, just no money at all for it. When they missed out on their round of expected funding they lost a couple of their key programmers, who happened to be the ones who did all the coding on DD, so without them; no progress.

I'm not really sure what I can say exactly- but without Dan working there there's not much they can do. I don't think Lawrence understands or specialises in the sort of coding that's needed, so they basically need money to hire a specialist to do the work or nothing gets done.

There have been encouraging sounds from Brian (Wowio boss) on Twitter and Lawrence has said some promising things, plus Skool at least has received one of her payments… So maybe something is in the offing? :)

And that is all I will say publicly.

Oz. I sincerely doubt this will leed to anywhere but could you send me Lawrence's contact details? I want to know what kind of coding is needed to bring the duck back on his feet.

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