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Updated team roster?
Abt_Nihil at 1:09PM, July 24, 2015
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Some prolific HA members are either creations of people who aren't contributing to HA anymore, or who don't have updating comics anymore, or both. While I like the fact that we can showcase characters whom we wouldn't see otherwise (primarily Shell, Relik and Vora), perhaps we could try and concentrate more on characters who have updating comics and contributing artists…? Plus, with “season 1” coming to an end in chapter 12, we could take the opportunity and work some roster changes into the story and make it more of an “event”. This is not to say we should kill some off (we can't do that anyway without the creator's permission) or say goodbye to them forever, but maybe establish that they're not as active on HA as they used to be in “season 1”.
 
So, what do you think? And in case you agree, which characters do you think would qualify for exiting or entering the “default” team roster, i.e. be on the team regularly rather than cameo-ing?
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shastab24 at 6:56PM, July 24, 2015
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Well, it would be hard to get rid of some of the mainstays.  I can't imagine the comic without Bombshell–she's been there from the beginning, after all–and Relik and Shell have become solid members.  However, of the ones that have comics updating, we have:
 
Blue Jay
Sparkle
Astral
Solarcell
Wireless (?–I've been meaning to read the comic, but I'm not too happy with the fact that most of the first chapter is gone, therefore keeping me from actually being interested in going forward)
 
There must be others, but those are the ones I know of (I need to look around at more of the comics, maybe–I know I definitely need to catch up on The Flea).  Well, we also have characters that aren't part of the team, from Dasien and the New Guard, but that's different.  It also gets tricky when you think of comics like Energize, which go on hiatus a lot, but are ostensibly still updating (the trickiness is why I didn't put Titan up there).
irrevenant at 10:27PM, July 25, 2015
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For reference in this discussion, http://huniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Alliance_(Team) has a list of every hero who's ever been a member of HA.
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I think it would actually be worth casting a wider net in looking for “the next generation of Heroes Alliance”. Post in the Duck forums and beyond and maybe contact other people with superhero comics who might be interested.  There's some awesome stuff out there at the moment like Brave New World, Accidentals, Fusion, Masked, Capefall, etc.   Maybe even look farther afield - I never would've anticipated Bones being such a good fit for HA, for example, but he's perfect!
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I'd like to see Astral and Sparkle moved into being core members.  Solarcell too. And obviously I'd like to introduce Chaos as a regular (if not necessarily core) member (along with getting her own title going).
cdmalcolm1 at 5:55PM, July 27, 2015
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Ok my two cents…..{{{thinking}}}. I've always wanted SolarCell to be on the team since I first created her. Bringing aboard Astral and sparkle would be great as well. Chaos I've always seen as a loner BUT due to resent changes to her, I don't see why not join HA. I definitely want to still see Peligroso, Imp, Bombshell, Shell, Relik and Azumorph. However, I believe IF we are going commit to a change in core members, I would tell a story where the inactive personnel either take leave or do some other mission for HA. But then now if that comes to pass, my question would be, should I split from the current HA Time line or stay in sync for SolarCell's comic? Remember, The story is to bring in other creators heroes and villains so that we all can see life in and around HA teammates. Kind of like off hours.

If I detech SolarCells story, She can easily be placed in the Current HA story at anytime. I just have to request the writer to put somewhere in the story that she is off doing something with one of the other team members IF she will not be used in a current story of HA. This way I can synchronize some events.

Oh, also I want to vote for RoofRat as an active member, just not a core member. I use him a lot and I don't want to have him misplace in the main story. I don't know where or how the Spatulator fits in HA but I would also place him as a Part time member ONLY IF the creator is NOT active.

Maybe Vote is in order?
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Abt_Nihil at 10:53AM, July 28, 2015
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shastab 24: Well, the problem with Relik and Shell is that we don't have regular input from their creators anymore (so we usually have to get an external “go ahead”, which complicates planning), a problem that doesn't exist with Bombshell, for obvious reasons. Of course I love the characters, and don't want to get rid of them, I just think HA should focus more on characters whose creators are more active.
 
irrevenant: Yep, I agree completely. I'll reach out to one of the admins to have them post an advert, so more dd creators learn about HA and that their characters can join. What I can't do (since I'm currently not that active on dd) is to personally reach out to creators. So: If you know any characters you'd like to see on HA, please ask their creators and/or refer them to these forums.
 
cdmalcolm1: It would be great if some events on Solarcell and HA could be synched, but I wouldn't want to impede your comic's progress, since HA moves very slowly. So, generally cross-referencing each others' comics might work more smoothly… but maybe we can also decide it on a case-by-case basis.
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irrevenant at 4:54PM, July 28, 2015
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Nothing has changed about Chaos except her gender (and melanin count). I still see her as being a semi-regular member. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean a lot in real terms since an indeterminate amount of time passes between adventures - she could visit HA only occasionally and still be there for every issue.  I envision that she'll probably help HUB out with the technology stuff once the team gets to trust her, too. It'll be in her backstory that she was one of the people who worked on the LEGEND project in her secret identity (Nepath cleared that).

Re: syncing Solarcell, the trick might be to both sync with HA *and* have some extra stories about what happens between issues during the lag times?

Will we be retaining Titan, do you know, or does Nepath need her back?
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shastab24 at 10:59AM, July 29, 2015
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So fuku isn't in contact anymore?  Disappointing, as he's been a staple for so long, with great art and Shell has always been an interesting character.
 
As for Solarcell, I don't see why she needs to exactly be at the same place in her comic as in HA.  People can remember that Dasien was in Heroes Unite: EGO years before her comic ever got to that point.  Meanwhile, when Heroes Unite started, Energize was ahead of that timeline, but eventually rounded out to be concurrent.  Not to mention, Retake took place before Relik's appearance in HU, but that appearance happened while Retake was still updating.
cdmalcolm1 at 11:24PM, July 31, 2015
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shastab24 wrote:So fuku isn't in contact anymore?  Disappointing, as he's been a staple for so long, with great art and Shell has always been an interesting character. As for Solarcell, I don't see why she needs to exactly be at the same place in her comic as in HA.  People can remember that Dasien was in Heroes Unite: EGO years before her comic ever got to that point.  Meanwhile, when Heroes Unite started, Energize was ahead of that timeline, but eventually rounded out to be concurrent.  Not to mention, Retake took place before Relik's appearance in HU, but that appearance happened while Retake was still updating.


Ok, then. I'll update solarcell's comic as offen as I can and kind of look through some back issues and explain during the current story. I forgot about Titan. I like her a lot too. I'd vote to keep her and Bleeder as Part time player with the option of returning to full time status if need be. Shell and bombshell are major players in my storyline. Not so much for action but for technology and technical support.



Do we need a new listing for the next faze of HA? You know just a plain list that says we are definitely keeping these players and the ones that are not so active stay on as either a constant or part time basis?
shastab24 at 6:26PM, Aug. 1, 2015
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Among the comics that are currently updating, I forgot to mention that Blue Jay was, too.  Why do I keep forgetting that character is a member of Heroes Alliance, too?
irrevenant at 1:00AM, Aug. 2, 2015
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Probably because he hasn't been in an issue since HA #5.  It'd be great to see him in action in HA again soon.
shastab24 wrote:
Among the comics that are currently updating, I forgot to mention that Blue Jay was, too.  Why do I keep forgetting that character is a member of Heroes Alliance, too?
shastab24 at 6:50PM, Aug. 2, 2015
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…And looking back, I did mention Blue Jay.  Huh.  My memory has always been bad, but come on, it was right on the same page!
Abt_Nihil at 9:38AM, Aug. 5, 2015
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I guess the best way to go for upcoming scripts is to prefer characters who have updating comics to those which don't. Perhaps we can already reflect this choice in issues 11 and 12.
irrevenant at 11:23PM, Aug. 5, 2015
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It's a bit of a pain for my Leviathan script which relies quite heavily on Relik and SHELL. But being such a specialist requirement (heroes who can operate in the ocean's depths) Bombshell might well “call in the reserves”. Alternatively they can have been visiting at the time. 
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I can make Chaos available for episodes 11 &  12 if you like. I'm not sure exactly what you have planned for those episodes but given the premise it makes sense that HA would be frantically pulling in all the heroes they can to help.
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Chaos doesn't yet have an ongoing comic, but if I work on it I should be able to have it up and going by the time Fandango is finished. That's what, something like 6 months away? 
Abt_Nihil wrote:
I guess the best way to go for upcoming scripts is to prefer characters who have updating comics to those which don't. Perhaps we can already reflect this choice in issues 11 and 12.
  
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ironhand at 5:18AM, Aug. 17, 2015
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Without spoiling what me and abt have already discussed regards the finale of Season 1, the finale of S1 and the beginning of S2 could be a great bridge to bring in the newer blood. In short, it's one big alien invasion…so the cry for help is going to go out to as many people as possible. That way the transition between the old and new blood could go relatively smooth as opposed to just casting a member out, for existance.
I do agree, though, the the trio of Bombshell, Shell and Relik seems to have cemented itself naturally as part of the core HA team (moreso than any other members, imo (Peligroso/Mr Imp and Azumorph are close contenders)) - so I wouldn't necessarily want to usher the two heroes out. I agree it's a struggle getting the creators permission - so maybe this might have to be something we address and talk about with the creators?
But I'm all in for new blood, that's what this community project idea is all about and I think it'll only bring in new writers/artists and creativity. Amalgam, Bleeder, Astral, Solarcell, Chaos etc. are all characters I've took an interest in but haven't properly been able to get my hands on them. Hell, I know it's been a very long time since, but I think it may even be time I brought The Flea back into the fold.
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irrevenant at 6:31PM, Aug. 17, 2015
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Really? I feel like Peligroso and Azumorph are probably more core nowadays than SHELL or Mr Imp. Vora is a quiet achiever but never gets the limelight (presumably because we haven't heard from Tempest lately?). 
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It would be cool to bring the Flea back. There might even be a story in where he's been all this time? IIRC there was a whole plotline with an organisation of evil shrinkers going on? 

HA will have some decent heavy hitters under its belt with Relik, Solarcell and Amalgam in particular. We probably should work out rough comparative power levels sometime. It's possible Sparkle and Astral are in that league too, but I don't know.
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I hope Chaos doesn't end up the Aquaman of HA. :/  She's a skilled martial artist (with some neat toys) amongst demigods. I can definitely see her bonding with Roof Rat over that. 
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ironhand at 11:54PM, Aug. 17, 2015
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As The Flea was around during E.G.O, I'll try and work around what he's been up to since then. But I definitely think now would be a good time to bring him back into the fold, it's been too long.
The diversity of HA's powers are really cool. I like how someone like Amalgam could take orders from Bombshell, and Solarcell could stand alongside Chaos etc. Once that Season 2 team cements itself, I imagine there'l be a good balance of both.
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cdmalcolm1 at 9:13PM, Aug. 28, 2015
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ironhand wrote:As The Flea was around during E.G.O, I'll try and work around what he's been up to since then. But I definitely think now would be a good time to bring him back into the fold, it's been too long.The diversity of HA's powers are really cool. I like how someone like Amalgam could take orders from Bombshell, and Solarcell could stand alongside Chaos etc. Once that Season 2 team cements itself, I imagine there'l be a good balance of both.



Oh I have little quick story about Amalgam and SolarCell.. A petty argument that lead to great team work…which lead to nicknames…….watch out now! I little comedy.
irrevenant at 3:18AM, Sept. 28, 2015
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As a matter of interest, are we aiming for a particular power level for HA?  Are HA a collection of “the world's greatest heroes”  like the JLA or the Avengers?  Are they a mid-strength super team like the Xmen or Teen Titans? Or is it somewhere in between - they're the most powerful team but there are a number of more powerful, unaffiliated heroes floating around?  Something else? 
Abt_Nihil at 4:15AM, Sept. 28, 2015
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Personally, the only thing I'm concerned about is whether characters make for interesting stories - I've never weeded them out according to their power levels. Of course, there could be an interesting story set-up in doing so, but that's usually up to putting together teams for individual missions (for example, it was important that we had a few powerhouses in HU: Fury). Also, HU and HA haven't really interacted with other superhero teams so far, have they? I'd always treated both teams as sort of having the monopoly on earth's superheroes (in the HUniverse), so I never really thought about whether they, as a team, should have a particular power level.
irrevenant at 3:49AM, Sept. 29, 2015
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That's interesting.  And actually I think it's quite novel if the world's pre-eminent superhero team isn't a collection of the world's mightiest heroes. It makes for a more precarious balancing act that way. Especially since HA lacks official backing and recognition like HU used to have. At the moment, HA's status comes mostly from being recognisably the remnants of HU.  That's a fragile position to be in.
Neither HA or HU have interacted with other teams as far as I know (except RISE) but other teams seem to be out there. Comet Kid is a member of the Young Guard along with Blitz and Tech. Blue Jay is associated with his own local team. Azumorph and HUB come from the Oz Stars. Chaos isn't a member of a team per se, but Aeon City has its own super team, the Aeon Guard. I believe Astral and Sparkle have a team with the other Karabear characters too. They seem to be primarily local teams rather than global ones, but they're out there. 
shastab24 at 10:46AM, Sept. 29, 2015
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Astral and Sparkle actually tend to hang out with my characters that are from other universes (Eiderdown, Fractal, The Swimmer, The Runner), but they do sometimes interact with my secondary characters from the comic in the HUniverse.
But remember there were or are non-HU or HA superhero teams in Acrobat, Dasien and the like.
irrevenant at 11:34PM, Sept. 29, 2015
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@Shastab24 I stand corrected re: Astral and Sparkle, thanks. :)

I know that Acrobat is only part of the HUniverse in one direction - he appears in the HUniverse, but his own comic is not part of the HUniverse, nor does it reflect anything that happens to him there.  The same deal seems to apply to Bones (who normally resides in a dystopian future).  Dasien may or may not be the same deal. The HUniverse is complicated. xD
shastab24 at 11:04AM, Sept. 30, 2015
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As far as I recall, the events of Acrobat are canon to the HUniverse, but the events of Heroes Unite and Heroes Alliance aren't necessarily canon to Acrobat.  The Aegis team appeared in Heroes Unite Chronicles as it is, and it's canon that HU and HA's teleportation technology is from them.
 
Dasien is intrinsically linked to HU.  The events of her comic specifically incorporate the Heroes Unite events, which has allowed her crossover with Energize, and for his involvement in Crossoverkill, as the only reason he met Mindmistress is because she went to see Dasien.
Abt_Nihil at 3:47AM, Oct. 3, 2015
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I must admit I never managed to catch up on Acrobat >.< But yes, Aegis definitely needs to exist in standard HUniverse continuity, as Shasta said.
irrevenant at 6:41PM, Oct. 3, 2015
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Oh wow.  Read Acrobat.  Siriously.

And yeah, what Shastab24 said is what I meant by ‘One directional’ - the HUniverse includes Acrobat, Aegis (who I guess are another major superteam) etc. but the Acrobat series does not reflect the HUniverse.  As opposed to something like SHELL which is clearly set in the HUniverse.
Wes_Nero123 at 7:48PM, Nov. 9, 2015
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Hey all! Figure Id put in my two cents. 
Mr Imp was originally created for HU purely because I thought the team could use a funnyman. Unfortunately there wasn't much thought put into his backstory or a running comic at the time of his creation, so I never could really get a story I liked off the ground cause I was just making stuff up as I went along and I wasn't satisfied with my art (I was a youngin). 
That being said, I always liked how he's been used with HU/HA so far, people just seem to know what to do with the character that cracks one liners and loves the ladies, so use or don't use him as you all see fit, because most of his development has been outside of any comic of his own.
I do want to complete a solo title for him one day though.
Abt_Nihil at 8:18AM, Nov. 11, 2015
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Personally, I think it's great to have two shapeshifters on the team who are SO different, personality-wise. And we've never really played off that fact, have we? We've never really had them interact much, neither personality-wise nor power-wise. Thinking of it, Azumorph and Mr Imp could probably do some spectacular, awesome, irritating combo-moves.
irrevenant at 6:40PM, Nov. 13, 2015
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Although, given how flexible they both are, there are probably very few combo moves that they could do together that they couldn't do on their own anyway…
shastab24 at 7:09PM, Nov. 13, 2015
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Still, it's like if you team up Elastic Man and Plastic Man.  The more serious with the goofball.
 
It is interesting how stretchy characters tend to be zany, which I guess is due to their powers, but the most famous one (Mr. Fantastic) is one of the most stuffy, serious-minded superheroes out there (I realize Plastic Man was originally created as the serious person in a silly world, but his characterization and situation is now the opposite, so he doesn't count as serious anymore).
 
But writing Imp is so fun.  I did find it great writing his interactions with the Spatulator for issue 7 (a relationship that needs to continue–the two actually work together well).
cdmalcolm1 at 7:35AM, Nov. 27, 2015
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Wes_Nero123 wrote:Hey all! Figure Id put in my two cents. Mr Imp was originally created for HU purely because I thought the team could use a funnyman. Unfortunately there wasn't much thought put into his backstory or a running comic at the time of his creation, so I never could really get a story I liked off the ground cause I was just making stuff up as I went along and I wasn't satisfied with my art (I was a youngin). That being said, I always liked how he's been used with HU/HA so far, people just seem to know what to do with the character that cracks one liners and loves the ladies, so use or don't use him as you all see fit, because most of his development has been outside of any comic of his own.I do want to complete a solo title for him one day though.



I love the way how imp is. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon. I already wrote him into my SolarCell comic as part of the comic relief. So if he will no longer be used for the main story, I will be using him for the behind the HA shadows stories that is going on.

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