I feel like admitting something and I'm curious to see if anyone else will admit the same. I actually like to engage in sexual fantasies with some of my own OC's. Both ones that has been long established, like Molly Lusc, and ones that is yet to be established. Do you guys ever do that with fictional characters that you know, perhaps even your own OC's?

I mean, I'm sure all of us have our share of fictional waifus or husbandos, whether we're proud to admit such or not. As for any of my own characters, no, I can't say that I have, however, I am painfully aware that Levana has had her share of fanboys out there, and yes, it has been a very weird feeling knowing that there are have been some guys out there who have had the hots for and even had such fantasies with a cartoon character who I have created.

J_Scarbrough wrote:
I mean, I'm sure all of us have our share of fictional waifus or husbandos, whether we're proud to admit such or not.

Well, it's not something I would say I'm proud to admit per say. But I was thinking, I've never dared to really admit that to anyone. And having been member of this community long enough to feel comfortable bringing up most things here, I figured, might as well just admit it here and see what response I'll get:P

J_Scarbrough wrote:
As for any of my own characters, no, I can't say that I have, however, I am painfully aware that Levana has had her share of fanboys out there, and yes, it has been a very weird feeling knowing that there are have been some guys out there who have had the hots for and even had such fantasies with a cartoon character who I have created.

That is a curious situation when people who follow your stuff is willing to admit things like that. I know I've had at least one reader who admitted to have found the octopirates (seen as a cameo in Molly Lusc) weirdly attractive. Which I do find kind of funny and interesting^^

Sure… but I'm not really into my own characters that way. I'd sooner write a character that has my fantasies and desires than to write one that's the object of such fantasies and desires, probably because it's really difficult to write it in good taste and give the character dimensions once it's smut and I could certainly write pornographic fiction that about 3-5 people from this site would enjoy and everyone else would wish to fade into oblivion, but it's like masturbation it feels great at the time and the second it's done you're like… “why the hell did I do this…?”

InkyMoondrop wrote:
Sure… but I'm not really into my own characters that way. I'd sooner write a character that has my fantasies and desires than to write one that's the object of such fantasies and desires, probably because it's really difficult to write it in good taste and give the character dimensions once it's smut and I could certainly write pornographic fiction that about 3-5 people from this site would enjoy and everyone else would wish to fade into oblivion, but it's like masturbation it feels great at the time and the second it's done you're like… “why the hell did I do this…?”

I understand. The thing is for me, many of the characters I create in my head starts off as a sexual object, and most of the time they don't survive beyond the masturbatory dream phase. But those who DO evolves into something worth writing a character arc and story about - worth all the effort of it - while still being objects of my fantasies and desires. Others, like Molly Lusc, may become objects of my fantasies and desires over time as they evolve and are fully realized as characters, because their evolution as such makes them feel all the more alive, all the more fascinating - and as such - all the more attractive, in my mind.

I understand. The thing is for me, many of the characters I create in my head starts off as a sexual object, and most of the time they don't survive beyond the masturbatory dream phase. But those who DO evolves into something worth writing a character arc and story about - worth all the effort of it - while still being objects of my fantasies and desires. Others, like Molly Lusc, may become objects of my fantasies and desires over time as they evolve and are fully realized as characters, because their evolution as such makes them feel all the more alive, all the more fascinating - and as such - all the more attractive, in my mind.

Yeah, that's understandable too. It ain't that easy for me. I could write something kinky and have fun with it for a while, but I'd lose interest after a while. I'd need to write something serious for me to stay invested. And that can still be heavily 18+ with all kinds of fetishes and stuff, but I came to realize that it'd also be amazingly good and unique. Heavy character drama with all kinds of fantasies, not limited to my own. One of a kind comic with no taboos. And no taboos is not safe to write. So however painful it is, that's not really an option. So if I ever really create fictional characters to serve as the subjects of sexual fantasies, it'll most likely be just some comical smut anthology or one-shot thing, that people usually make. I could probably create characters that I'm attracted to and actively fantasize about, it's just not something I take under consideration when I'm writing a story around them.

InkyMoondrop wrote:
Yeah, that's understandable too. It ain't that easy for me. I could write something kinky and have fun with it for a while, but I'd lose interest after a while. I'd need to write something serious for me to stay invested. And that can still be heavily 18+ with all kinds of fetishes and stuff, but I came to realize that it'd also be amazingly good and unique. Heavy character drama with all kinds of fantasies, not limited to my own. One of a kind comic with no taboos. And no taboos is not safe to write. So however painful it is, that's not really an option. So if I ever really create fictional characters to serve as the subjects of sexual fantasies, it'll most likely be just some comical smut anthology or one-shot thing, that people usually make. I could probably create characters that I'm attracted to and actively fantasize about, it's just not something I take under consideration when I'm writing a story around them.

To me it seems to be the opposite I'm afraid. Everytime I try to create something somber I get bored. There just has to be all kinds of weirdness involved for me to still have fun creating it. It would have to be either as a co-creator working with someone who is more compelled towards the somber then me to do it. Either that, or I need more time to mature away from the weird and the kinky. As it is now I'm just too compelled to create whatever I want. But who knows, maybe that will change given the right time and the right circumstances^^

Weird and kinky are nothing to be “matured away from”. If that's you, you do you. Better that way. And it's not like something adult can't be mature and tasteful. check out this year's adult comic nominees. Seriously, I could easily fit a comic with the most disturbing fetishes and still make it a great read with a gripping plot and all. Based on what I saw you could easily do the same, so no reason to think of your comics as immature. I just know my fantasies wouldn't make for a great plot in any context. For some humorous perverted strips maybe, but not a great story with developments. So I'm usually very tame when it comes to sneaking one into a comic that has potentials story-vise.

J_Scarbrough wrote:
I mean, I'm sure all of us have our share of fictional waifus or husbandos, whether we're proud to admit such or not. As for any of my own characters, no, I can't say that I have, however, I am painfully aware that Levana has had her share of fanboys out there, and yes, it has been a very weird feeling knowing that there are have been some guys out there who have had the hots for and even had such fantasies with a cartoon character who I have created.

At this point, I wouldn't even care if people would draw 18+ fanart with my characters. Sure, I wouldn't necessarily help promote it, depending on which characters they picked, but it's still a kind of recognition I'd quietly enjoy with a little pride.

InkyMoondrop wrote:
Weird and kinky are nothing to be “matured away from”. If that's you, you do you. Better that way. And it's not like something adult can't be mature and tasteful. check out this year's adult comic nominees. Seriously, I could easily fit a comic with the most disturbing fetishes and still make it a great read with a gripping plot and all. Based on what I saw you could easily do the same, so no reason to think of your comics as immature. I just know my fantasies wouldn't make for a great plot in any context. For some humorous perverted strips maybe, but not a great story with developments. So I'm usually very tame when it comes to sneaking one into a comic that has potentials story-vise.

I'm absolutely convinced that you can and would if you wanted to, Inky. You're a great storyteller. And I feel very much encouraged that you believe that I can too. Thank you^^

One of my fictional waifus is Noodle from Gorillaz, and one of the most unique things about Noodle is that unlike most other fictional characters, she actually ages in real time, which is great, because I find the older she gets, the hotter she gets.

J_Scarbrough wrote:
One of my fictional waifus is Noodle from Gorillaz, and one of the most unique things about Noodle is that unlike most other fictional characters, she actually ages in real time, which is great, because I find the older she gets, the hotter she gets.

I totally get that man. I really do👍

I try to keep my characters as real as I can, at least within the bounds of their own universes. Would a reasonably attractive young woman have any interest in a slightly eccentric (weird) bloke who is about to turn 60 and still hasn't mastered the complexities of human interaction? Not in any universe I have so far created! For me, I prefer to bring together characters who might realistically find something in common and see how their relationships blossom.

As to J_Scarbrough's interesting point, I don't known if anyone else has/is getting off on any character of mine, but if that demand existed I wouldn't hesitate to create said material and put it on Patreon. I do enjoy a figure drawing challenge and personally don't find it weird.

Ironscarf wrote:
I try to keep my characters as real as I can, at least within the bounds of their own universes. Would a reasonably attractive young woman have any interest in a slightly eccentric (weird) bloke who is about to turn 60 and still hasn't mastered the complexities of human interaction? Not in any universe I have so far created! For me, I prefer to bring together characters who might realistically find something in common and see how their relationships blossom.

As to J_Scarbrough's interesting point, I don't known if anyone else has/is getting off on any character of mine, but if that demand existed I wouldn't hesitate to create said material and put it on Patreon. I do enjoy a figure drawing challenge and personally don't find it weird.

Me neither. I might make pinups of my characters at some point, once I get more time for it.

The closest I have ever come to drawing Levana in such a manner was purely in response to this social media post I saw last year . . . I just had to.

J_Scarbrough wrote:
The closest I have ever come to drawing Levana in such a manner was purely in response to this social media post I saw last year . . . I just had to.

LOL😄 Clever😊

You know what? Since we have this thread now, I'm finally going to break my silence and explain the specific circumstances that lead to my banishment from CF, and how ridiculous I and few others who are in know thought the entire ordeal was.

So we had a thread that was very much like this discussing attractions to fictional characters, or how certain fictional characters have influenced our personal tastes in other people. You've all seen that, “I Blame Cartoons for My Taste in Girls” meme, haven't you? It was really prevalent on social media during the mid and late 2010s. Anyway, in that thread, I posted my own personal variation of that meme that included not only Noodle, but also Jeanette Miller and Luan Loud . . . then, being the nut that I am, I had to also post another meme I made that was a screencap of Oscar the Grouch with a blindfold around his eyes, cotton stuffed into his ears, and a clothespin on his nose, which I captioned, “When the haters bitchin' ‘bout my waifus.”

Now granted, I don’t really take any of the whole waifu/husbando stuff nearly as seriously as other people do, so I was in a sense parodying grown-ass fanboys out there who are so desperately lonely that they will consider themselves married to cartoon females. Well, evidently, some people within CF's community (I forget who specifically) came to the conclusion that because my variation of that meme included two underaged characters in Jeanette and Luan, I was implicating myself as being some sort of a pedo creep, so they had Kyo ban me altogether.

Now here's the thing: not only was that a very popular and common meme back then, but also, just about every variation of that meme you saw included their fair share of other notably underaged cartoon girls as well - Roxanne from A GOOFY MOVIE, Sam from DANNY PHANTOM, and Raven from TEEN TITANS were very prominent examples of such (I'll even agree that I used to think Raven was hot), and even some other folks in that very CF thread were publicly admitting they had the hots for Roxanne as well . . . but somehow, I was the creep who needed to be kicked out. I even reached out to Kyo privately to speak in my defense, that I was referencing a popular meme, and that it was all posted in jest and jocularity, that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Kyo responded that he had never of or seen the meme before himself, so because he knew nothing of the meme, he couldn't take me at my word as to whether I was joking or being serious. Although, he did also explain that CF had problems over the years with legit pedo creeps slipping into their community to try to groom younger members, so from that perspective, I do, unfortunately, understand his actions, in which he told me my banishment was actually nothing personal, just that he didn't want to take any chances.

My whole thing is I may or may not consider certain characters as my “waifus”, it's not really something that I'm actually seriously into like some people are, and I know some people out there take that stuff so froggin' seriously, that it's actually kind of pathetic: self-insert lemons and smut are just plain cringe to read (not to mention I'm generally averse to lemons anyway), and I even had a friend who had so many anime waifus that he would spend a shit ton of money on fan art commissions of his various waifus being subjected to his myriad of kinky, abstract fetishes that were just plain weird. Even so, if there was any sort of a statement I was trying to make with my variation of that “I Blame Cartoons for my Taste in Girls” meme, it's that characters like Jeanette, Luan, and Noodle have made me realize that girls who are cute and quirky, but also talented, artistic, and creative are definitely my type . . . just like I'm going to assume that those other variations of the meme out there that have included the likes of Sam, Raven, and others must say that the people behind the meme are into goth girls.

My bottom line is that almost everyone on the internet has, at one point or another, basically admitted to liking certain characters who are technically underaged, but here's the thing about that: that's just it, they're just fictional cartoon characters who don't exist in real life; anyone would have to be crazy to risk run-ins with Chris Hansen in real life trying to get with girls that young. If anything, ever since they started doing a live-action version of THE LOUD HOUSE, I have been deeply disturbed by the number of people who have been following the actress who plays the live-action version of Luan on Instagram, and constantly flooding comments on her certain posts of hers (namely bikinis, or cleavage-bearing outfits) about how hot and sexy she is, when she's also still under the age of eighteen . . . like, why are you even commenting on something like that about a teenage girl unironically? About as disturbing as Donald Trump saying he wanted to sleep with Lindsay Lohan when she was still a teenager because, “bad girls are great in bed.” Eww. Even so, I'm not really that interested in Jeanette anymore, but when it comes to Luan, I find I much prefer fan art out there that depicts her much older and more anatomically correct compared to her canon design. But again, Jeanette, Luan, and Noodle basically say that if there's a certain type of girl who's my type, it's someone who's cute and quirky, but also artistic and talented.

There have been a couple of people since I've been here who have reached out to me privately with Personal Quacks to satisfy their curiosity about the circumstances that lead to my banishment from CF, and they agree that the whole thing was just bullshit, blown out of proporation, and taken more seriously than it needed to be. But at least I'm here now, so that's all well and good; I've ended up liking it here more than I ever did at CF.

Oh, and before any of you even ask, no, I don't have the memes I made in question anymore, so I can't show them for you to see for yourselves.

Like okay, here's an example of a much older Luan that I feel like if I met a girl like this in real life, I might try to approach her (keyword: might); again, it's mostly the quirky, artistic vibes she puts off.


This?


Yeah, okay, if she was really interested, I could very well be tempted.

But again, otherwise, her canon 14/15-year-old self is really nothing to fantasize about.

Then again, I think what also didn't help in my case is I know there are tons of freaks and creeps out there who really are into any of the Loud Sisters . . . even the younger ones like Lucy, who's froggin' 8/9-years-old! (Again, I think it's mostly because she's goth, but still).

@J_Scarbrough - That was definitely I think an outrageous overreaction for you to get banned from CF over that. I mean, you were being tounge in cheek about the subject and everything. It's understandable if the admin wants to play safe if they indeed have had problems with legit predators in their waters, but still I feel like those people could have simply talked to you about it directly and given you the chance to clear up any question marks people might have had.

I mean, I've once been privately contacted by a member on DD over Discord over some comments I left on the server that to her smacked too much of condescending elitism. But she was giving me the benefit of a doubt, allowing me to explain that that wasn't how I meant to sound at all, and we were cool after that. That's the way to do it I think.

And these are indeed fictional, drawn characters, which is not enough proof to condemn someone as a legitimate child molester over for feeling a purely fantazised attraction to. It may at most be seen and treated as suspect, but that is all until a legitimate crossing the boundery between what is fiction and what is real has been made. Such as those cases Kyo described.

As Alan Moore said when an interviewer asked him about famous children's book characters - such as Alice in Wonderland and Little Red Riding Hood et cetera who are underage characters - being depicted in sexual situations in his published graphic novel Lost Girls;
“These are not real people! They're as old as the paper they're printed on!”

THANK YOU!! That's all it was: me being a goof-off in a tongue-in-cheek sort of manner . . . sometimes I think back on it, and think if, perhaps, I had used similar characters to Raven or Roxanne in my personal variation of the meme, everybody probably think of me as a real dude bro . . . but nope, I guess Jeanette and Luan made me a creep. (They did let Noodle slide because, again, she's an adult character now who has aged in real time). Then again, like I said, I don't think it helped my case that not only does THE LOUD HOUSE have a highly questionable fandom, but even The Chipettes have seen more than their fair share of controversy over the decades for seemingly have inappropriate sex appeal.

But, as I have said before too, I think part of my problem was I hadn't even been in the CF community for very long, but tried too hard and too quickly to fit in (again, I think I was trying to fill a void in my life at the time), so nobody really had enough time to really get to know me, how eccentric I am, and how warped my sense of humor can be at times.

You're welcome^^ And you're certainly not alone in that. I'm very much an eccentric with warped humour myself^^ I haven't communicated much at all with the people on CF as long as I've been there, largely because even before I started mirroring my comics over there I was getting warnings here on the DD Forum to always avoid the forums on that site.

Only like a couple occasions have I made a thread on those forums, one about writing on AO3 and the other a question about wether to have all your comics in seperate settings or having it all gathered in one and the same setting, both which had positive replies.

Honestly CF doesn't interest me nearly enough as a community or as a comic site like DD does, but I still mirror my comics there because, hey why not, more exposure and all that jazz.

I had even tried to reason with Kyo, offering to stay off of the forum of my own volition to make people feel better, if he would at least allow me to continue to host VAMPIRE GIRL on CF as I had planned to (already spent months designing and building the website for the comic), but he wouldn't give me an answer to that one way or another. I feel like with their huge reader base that I probably would have gotten much more exposure on CF (the reruns of the original strips that were previously published on Smack Jeeves got great attention), but I'm still happy that I've gotten the traffic I have here; my comic went virtually unnoticed on SJ back in the day, so I'm just glad I was able to reach people and give them something they enjoyed here.

Anyway, I apologize for hijacking the thread and driving it off-topic like that; like I said, as long as we had a thread like this, I wanted to just finally break my silence about all of this. Now, if you all will excuse me, I think I'll go make some cream pies with Luan while she gives me a squirt from her flower. . . .



Um . . . why is Chris Hansen at my door?

See? Not to be taken seriously.

Lo-Ren, girl I often draw in my comics, started as my sexual fantasy. That was about 15 years ago, when I was different person with less life experience. She represented a kind of girl my younger me would like to be with. But because I'm not a person who would reduce anyone to just sex object, I started building around her by giving her friends and imagining what things other than sex she would enjoy.
But that was then. Now she evolved into just character I'm writing about.

Speaking about characters not created by me, I remember that I was really into Sailor Moon. Because modern internet wasn't a thing, young teenage me was exploring his sexuality by drawing naked Sailor Scouts in secret, hoping that my parents will never notice.

I'll admit to occasionally being attracted to fictional characters. Never really thought about being attracted to my own characters. Although many of them would be attractive to me if they were real. All of the characters in my fictional universes are of legal age if they have sex. Dorothy from my loose adaptation of WOOZ and Little Red for example.

Now, if any of you are attracted to them I'll pimp them out….//joking - I'm not Bill Clinton taking people to Epstein's island//

Yeah, I've definitely been there. I’ve had a couple of fictional characters that I’ve been really into before. It’s kind of natural when you’re really into a story or a character you’ve created, especially if they’ve been in your head for a long time. I don't really think too much about it, but it happens, and I just roll with it.

I've known enough real people where that has never been a thing for me. I mean I lusted after Jennifer Connelly in Labyrinth but it was Jennifer Connelly not her character.
I remember telling someone this online and they said I was a dirty old man because she's a teenager. Then I told them that Jennifer Connelly and I are nearly the same age in real life.

As for my own fictional characters, they're often based on people I've known and elements of past loves are in there so you could say I took care of the lust before I turned them into a fictional
character. XD 😁😉

bravo1102 wrote:
I've known enough real people where that has never been a thing for me.

Which again kinda brings me back to the previous point I was making about essentially being a parody of lonely fanboys.

As for Jennifer Connelly, LABYRINTH was her first starring role in a movie. As a kid, I never really cared for her character in the movie, but I could never figure out just why that was . . . until I was much older, and read Brian Jay Jones's extensive biography about the life and career of Jim Henson, and come to find out what the problem was: the movie's script had a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth (and this after Jim Henson tried to correct his previous mistake with THE DARK CRYSTAL in which he thought the film's visuals and advanced puppetry would carry the movie despite its lack of story). Sarah was a complete afterthought with just about every writer who had a hand in that screenplay (they all really enjoyed writing for Jareth though), as a result, sure, she finds and saves her brother, but she otherwise experiences no growth or development over the course of the movie, and is still the same one-dimensional character by the end as she was in the beginning. That, and I found Jennifer Connelly's performance very narmy; she hardly emotes or connects at all . . . then again, with it being her very first starring role, maybe she was still a little green in her acting skills, who knows?

Sorry for derailing the topic again; the Henson fan in me couldn't resist indulging in some useless trivia.

Now if you only knew how many female creators lusted after Jareth. I was in a writers forum and many of the members where young women and they all loved Jareth.

Pedant note: Jennifer Connelly already worked in other 3 movies before Labyrinth, among which she had the protagoinist role in Dario Argento's Phenomena (a reasonably famous movie, at least in Italy).