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QUACKCAST 493 - Use existing IP to explore new things?

Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, Aug. 25, 2020

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This Quackcast is about the topic of whether it's right to change an established character just to fit with the ideas and styles of a new creator or change them in accordance with an idea or political position you want to explore, OR should you instead create a whole new character or story to do that with? Bane's newspost gave the example of the ersatz justice league created for The Boys, where Homelander =/= Superman. The series was made to look at the dark side of superheros, but it doesn't ruin established and much loved heroes to do that…

Changing an established character or story to fit with what you want to do with them is tricky. Frank Miller did it well with Batman, going back to his dark, gritty noir beginnings and changing him from the campy, light character he'd evolved into. This was done poorly with Thundercats, the most recent adaption changing them into a stupid stylised cartoon. Another interesting example is James Bond Vs Austin Powers. Austin Powers is a James Bond spoof and it works, it makes fun of the character and the genre without ruining that character. Contrast that with the first Casino Royal film which was a spoof made using the character of James Bond, It's terrible and harms the IP.

I think the conclusion we came to is that generally when you want to go in another direction with things it's best to make a new character or story to do that with rather than piggyback on existing IP. You can use an existing IP to do it with but it's a lot more difficult to do a good job and most people fail at it.

This week Gunwallace has given us the theme to Mousetrap - Bass leads the way, stomping through and leading this down-beat rock sound, Another bass guitar burrs in to take the mantle of the Melody and keyboards do their thing with a fun, driving sound, even the drums try and take over the rhythm, but no one can usurp the mighty bass! It’s a clash of the bass.

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Banes' newspost on the subject -

Featured comic:
Gumshoe -

Featured music:
MouseTrap -, by Onoi, rated A.

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Ozoneocean at 4:33AM, Aug. 26, 2020

It was new compared to what audiences were used to at the time. Similarly the 1989 movie was a very different feel to people who'd grown up as fans of the 1960s TV show and the cartoon series like Justice league or superfriends or whatever it was at the time.

plymayer at 9:01PM, Aug. 25, 2020

Wouldn't the real challenge be bringing something new to the IP? Miller really really didn't bring something new. He just reestablished the things that were already there. They brought The Batman back to his routes in the late 60s early 70s. Miller just did it better. And not necessarily in canon.

kawaiidaigakusei at 4:42PM, Aug. 25, 2020

Happy Birthday, Tantz!!!!

Avart at 11:43AM, Aug. 25, 2020

Happy Birthday Tantz!!

Ozoneocean at 7:15AM, Aug. 25, 2020

Established IP can be a tricky thing to play with...

Andreas_Helixfinger at 2:49AM, Aug. 25, 2020


Andreas_Helixfinger at 2:47AM, Aug. 25, 2020

As a viewer and reader I don't really have anything against creators using already established IP's, settings and characters, to tell their stories. However, as a creator myself I rather stick to stuff I've created myself. It's more fun to do so anyway I think, and you never have to worry about people suing you over it, which is something that scares me far too much^^

plymayer at 1:03AM, Aug. 25, 2020

Woody Allen really didn't do well as James Bond. Of course Dr. Noah, can be arguably be considered a precursor to Dr. Evil.

plymayer at 12:55AM, Aug. 25, 2020


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