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I May Not Know Art But i Know What I Like. Except When I Don't

Banes at 12:00AM, Nov. 21, 2024
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I've been VERY slowly working on new comics ideas…way too many of them…for several years now. One of the decisions for me is what kind of STYLE the comic should be.

To be clear, I'm not a phenomenal artist, to say the least. So i don't have the skill to choose among many different styles. Maybe it's more about character design than “artistic style”. Although now that I do comics using 3D software, there's the option of drawing the comic, using 3D, or having some kind of combination.

Doodling some characters just to relax awhile back, I went for a very simplified manga style and was surprised at how appealing it was to me. My simple cartooning style is one that I'm very comfortable with and is pretty fast and easy for me to do (when it's a random doodle at least).

I'll do one right now -



That's kind of the style I do cartoons in…though the look of my drawing swings wildly sometimes. I'm not…a professional cartoonist (um, yeah…we know that, Banes). I'd also add various adjustments, inking, maybe some shading and coloring and so forth.

There are artistic choices to be made, though, based on personal appeal more than anything -

will the characters have eyebrows?
-at first my characters didn't, because I heard that on Futurama, the main characters don't. Eventually I added eyebrows. It works better.

Will the eyes show irises?
-In my current efforts, they do. Sometimes. In my existing comics they usually don't.

Highlights in the eyeballs?
-At first I didn't do it. Recently I do it almost every time. Even add them sometimes to 3D renders if needed.

Speaking of eyes, I also went with a choice somewhere in between the solid round eyes of the Simpsons/Futurama characters and the arcs of Archie characters. I'll have a partial bottom line on the eyes for the most part.

Drawing lips on females?
-I used to give female characters lips. And I like it. But in the new stuff I'm working on, I struggle with it. Some females have lips and some don't.


There's a certain effect that lips have when drawn on female characters, and a certain effect they have without. And to make it more complicated, certain expressions or moments seem to work better with lips, and certain ones work better without. So for a comic, you need that consistency. It's a tough call for me, as small a detail as it seems! I think that to me, adding the extra lip lines can take away from the simple emotion or simple appeal. But in some instances it works so well to see the lips.

Maybe that's a manga influence - I've read some manga, not alot, but enough. And it appeals to me, style-wise.

Anyway, the simplicity - and the TYPE of simplicity - in those mange-inspired sketches really hit me.

There are many ways to cartoon SIMPLY. But the emotion and appeal of characters drawn even in the simplest manga style - I can see why that approach has been so popular with manga artists and fans and young artists alike. The focus on the eyes, even in those simple styles - it works. Both in terms of what lines to draw but even more, what lines to leave OUT.

One thing I don't care for is the horizontal line for a nose in some simpler manga styles. That's kind of weird looking. But I understand the simplified approach! I also didn't like the “weird triangle” look of noses on female characters in Archie comics. I love that style, except for the noses.



Don't get heated, Veronica! I love everything else about you and Betty and company! It's just…the noses…



Not you, Jughead. You are perfection itself, my friend!

But noses are a struggle to figure out too. Finding a simple style that will work consistently - so many redrawn noses!

I find this stuff to be super interesting anyway, and always a challenge to figure out with character design.

I've probably brought up this exact thing before. Probably will again, too…

But for now I'll stop.

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Ozoneocean at 6:36PM, Nov. 21, 2024

Banes, my honest opinion is that you have one of THE best comic styles on DD. It's honed by years of experience. Never lose that.

Tantz_Aerine at 10:25AM, Nov. 21, 2024

What I know is I love your cartoon style Banes no matter what choices you make about them.

Ironscarf at 10:03AM, Nov. 21, 2024

I always assumed the weird triangle on the Archie lasses was a representation of the shadow cast on the underside of a small, pixie-ish nose. I could be wrong and perhaps it's a D4 mislaid by the artist? Anyway, I love the simplicity of these characters!

JohnCelestri at 9:03AM, Nov. 21, 2024

Because of my animation background, I've had to draw in many different styles; some simple, others very complex. So, my personal style evolved into a mix of both. I think of characters' personalities and then use shapes that help reinforce that visualization. I make sure that the characters work as an ensamble cast, and aren't mistaken for one another, potentially confusing the reader.

bravo1102 at 5:39AM, Nov. 21, 2024

Less is more. Don't depict everything, suggest it. I've to like doing extremes with a lot of things like lips and eyes indicating expression. And of course my main influence for comic figure drawing is Mad Magazine.

marcorossi at 4:33AM, Nov. 21, 2024

@PaulEberhardt I think that the "less facial features, more beautiful" approach is common for male charachters too, think of Miyazaki's male charachters for example. I think that the reason is that, in a stylised drawing, the only things that appear are the ones that are notable, so for example if I draw a visible nose on one charachter but onli a line on others the reader will assume that the others have "regular" noses, the first has a big one, hence less beautiful.

PaulEberhardt at 4:19AM, Nov. 21, 2024

I like experimenting with giving my female characters cartoony noses too, because I have something of a distaste for no-nose manga styles (the other extreme). However, they don't usually get lips in the line art, which for my taste at least, end up looking too bulky if the lines get a tiny bit too thick. Would it work better in digital art? No idea. I found a lot of individuality can be added via chins and cheekbones, which many artists ignore as they're just as easy to overdo as lips but in different ways, making the face less smooth if you do. If you look closely, many classic cartoonists gave a woman the less actual facial features the prettier they wanted them to be. Telling, isn't it? It's easy to dismiss this as a product of an old-fashioned objectifying chauvinist attitude or whatever, but I think there's a lot more to it than that. It may be connected to the old "more lines = older character, less lines = younger character" adage, which falls short in many ways if you ask me.

PaulEberhardt at 4:06AM, Nov. 21, 2024

I like going out of my comfort zone too from time to time, drawing in a slightly different style or parodying a style. It's probably the single most important thing that helped me develop my own, if I had to name just one; still helps me develop it, actually. We all know an art style worth being called that never stops developing until you die. Some even go on developing after that. It makes sense, too: you develop your musical skills on any instrument the same way, don't you?

marcorossi at 12:42AM, Nov. 21, 2024

I like the simplified manga/cartoon style, where everything that is not important for the expression will be left out, but it has the risk of same-face. Playing with different stylisations of lips, noses etc. can help avoid the samefaceness.


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