As I said, the zero tolerance family separation policy was 100% Trump's. Obama did have children locked up too, but not to separate them from their families as a punitive measure. It was to protect those suspected of being trafficked.
https://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/
It's called the family separation, not the child separation policy. It was proposed by Stephen Miller, whose emails revealed he is very active in coordinating white nationalist groups. Yes, he is Jewish, and his family have repeatedly denounced him as an embarrassment to their family's legacy considering as they emigrated to the US from Europe, and had those same policies been in play when they came here, they would have been turned away.
But your justification for the family separation policy is to state that these people are breaking the laws of this country and that's 100% not true. WE are the ones breaking our laws. For a family to apply for asylum, they MUST be physically on the soil of that country. That is not only International law, but it is also U.S. law. WE are the ones breaking our own asylum laws, not them. And we have created a human rights crisis because of Trump's zero tolerance policy.
That article attempts to conflate a few different things (and maybe you are as well) to mislead the reader. There is no such thing as a Child Separation Policy. When you commit a crime and are jailed, you cannot share your jail cell with your children. That is true for citizens, and it is true for illegal immigrants. That's not a new policy. In some cases, it is possible to detain border crossers without charging them with a crime, however the zero tolerance policy means they are no longer granting that leeway. THAT is new; they've increased enforcement of preexisting law. The article attempts to obfuscate by making it sound like the current administration is lying about Obama era enforcement strategies -- which they're not, and they present nothing to that point -- but rather the (very true) claim that Congress has impeded funding to improve conditions at our overwhelmed border facilities -- which is also not addressed. If you're not reading critically, that's easy to miss.
It's the guy they hired before him who put those kids in the cages. That guy also kicked a lot more people out of the building, but he did it with a smile and never talked about it.
No, they're not the same policy. If there is policy to separate children who arrive with a person not related to them because of suspected trafficking, and then there is a new policy to separate EVERY child from their family, those are two different policies. The newer policy might have been crafted around the original policy, but it's a different policy.
Obama never engaged in family separations and that is the point of this narrative; to escape the responsibility for family separations and put the blame on a past president. I't's his M.O. time and time again.
Funny how Trump will just take credit for everything else Obama has done (economy, unemployment) but the things he WANTS to credit Obama for are they things he didn't do and are unique to his administration -such as the family separations as a punitive measure.
There's no need to pretend; they're the same policy. It was carried over from the previous administration to this one. Those photos of children in cages which started the whole controversy were taken in 2014; it's hard to blame that on Donald Trump. Unfortunately, everyone heard the inaccurate original version of events and then relatively few people caught it when the truth finally came to light. What's that Mark Twain quote: "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."
While Obama did indeed have a policy of separating suspected trafficked kids from their companions and putting them in their own cell, let's not pretend it is even remotely the same as the current administration's punitive policy of separating children from their families.
And yes, Obama did deport a record number of immigrants, I don't recall him doing so utilizing the humiliating, dehumanizing, and traumatizing measures as Trump and Stephen Miller have devised.
rawdale at 12:11PM, April 29, 2020
As I said, the zero tolerance family separation policy was 100% Trump's. Obama did have children locked up too, but not to separate them from their families as a punitive measure. It was to protect those suspected of being trafficked. https://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/
rawdale at 8:37PM, April 30, 2020
It's called the family separation, not the child separation policy. It was proposed by Stephen Miller, whose emails revealed he is very active in coordinating white nationalist groups. Yes, he is Jewish, and his family have repeatedly denounced him as an embarrassment to their family's legacy considering as they emigrated to the US from Europe, and had those same policies been in play when they came here, they would have been turned away. But your justification for the family separation policy is to state that these people are breaking the laws of this country and that's 100% not true. WE are the ones breaking our laws. For a family to apply for asylum, they MUST be physically on the soil of that country. That is not only International law, but it is also U.S. law. WE are the ones breaking our own asylum laws, not them. And we have created a human rights crisis because of Trump's zero tolerance policy.
El Cid at 7:26PM, April 30, 2020
That article attempts to conflate a few different things (and maybe you are as well) to mislead the reader. There is no such thing as a Child Separation Policy. When you commit a crime and are jailed, you cannot share your jail cell with your children. That is true for citizens, and it is true for illegal immigrants. That's not a new policy. In some cases, it is possible to detain border crossers without charging them with a crime, however the zero tolerance policy means they are no longer granting that leeway. THAT is new; they've increased enforcement of preexisting law. The article attempts to obfuscate by making it sound like the current administration is lying about Obama era enforcement strategies -- which they're not, and they present nothing to that point -- but rather the (very true) claim that Congress has impeded funding to improve conditions at our overwhelmed border facilities -- which is also not addressed. If you're not reading critically, that's easy to miss.
El Cid at 1:54PM, April 27, 2020
It's the guy they hired before him who put those kids in the cages. That guy also kicked a lot more people out of the building, but he did it with a smile and never talked about it.
rawdale at 7:29PM, April 28, 2020
No, they're not the same policy. If there is policy to separate children who arrive with a person not related to them because of suspected trafficking, and then there is a new policy to separate EVERY child from their family, those are two different policies. The newer policy might have been crafted around the original policy, but it's a different policy. Obama never engaged in family separations and that is the point of this narrative; to escape the responsibility for family separations and put the blame on a past president. I't's his M.O. time and time again. Funny how Trump will just take credit for everything else Obama has done (economy, unemployment) but the things he WANTS to credit Obama for are they things he didn't do and are unique to his administration -such as the family separations as a punitive measure.
El Cid at 7:01PM, April 27, 2020
There's no need to pretend; they're the same policy. It was carried over from the previous administration to this one. Those photos of children in cages which started the whole controversy were taken in 2014; it's hard to blame that on Donald Trump. Unfortunately, everyone heard the inaccurate original version of events and then relatively few people caught it when the truth finally came to light. What's that Mark Twain quote: "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."
rawdale at 5:58PM, April 27, 2020
While Obama did indeed have a policy of separating suspected trafficked kids from their companions and putting them in their own cell, let's not pretend it is even remotely the same as the current administration's punitive policy of separating children from their families. And yes, Obama did deport a record number of immigrants, I don't recall him doing so utilizing the humiliating, dehumanizing, and traumatizing measures as Trump and Stephen Miller have devised.