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Quackcast 743 - Lore vs reality

Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, June 10, 2025
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This is a weird one to encapsulate, but it was based on an idea I had while re-watching Star Trek the Next Generation and I had to explore it with my fellow Quackcasters, Banes and Tantz. I believe it's generally better to enjoy something in the order it was created rather than the chronological order of the story because you'll understand it so much better in terms of why things are as they are, the creative and aesthetic choices and cultural impact.

Re-watching all of Star Trek the Next Generation in order taught me so much about how and why the show and characters developed: NOT from a lore and story perspective but from a practical, technical perspective. I'm watching for the stories but I also notice different filming techniques, lighting choices, sets, props, costumes, how and why the actors perform and act in certain ways, line deliveries, and a million other things: basically the reality of the thing and it's interesting to think how that conflicts with fan lore, or “this is why they went this way with the character” vs “the character did that because…” And it's especially powerful if you can connect it to the culture and current events of the time in which it was created.

Now in the world more often than ever people look at creative projects in a kind of cultural vacuum, totally isolated from any cultural context except their own current culture at the time they view the thing, which is bad enough but people's passion of reboots and prequels compounds this. Whether it's Marvel, Dr Who, Star Trek, Star Wars or whatever you'll see this happen with any popular creative IP: the established meaning of these things will be changed constantly due to retconns and a sort of fan lore takes over as a way to make sense of it all. I think it's important to understand the real reason why things are as they are…
For example Lando Calrisian wears a cape in The Empire Strikes Back because the costume people dress Billy Dee Williams that way to show he was the ruler of the Cloud City, to give him authority and majesty, while the prequel film, Hans Solo, retconns it into him wearing capes because he's a silly pansexusal fop, totally changing and misunderstanding all aspects of the character.

That said though it is also very important that later generations are able to develop their own cultural connections with established IPs in their own way and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact if they can't then those IPs will die, their continued interest and passion is what keeps those things alive and current! It's just important not to lose sight of why things really developed as they did and enjoy things for what they are rather than for what they are AFTER retconns.

Hahaha, I hope this makes some sense? What are the most annoying bits of fan lore you've come across? Personally I can't stand the Warhammer 40k lore now, it just gets worse and worse as time goes on.


This week Gunwallace was inspired to craft a musical theme to Bad Mix - Quite, chill, creeping, slowly sliding, finding, searching… this one will keep you on edge. It has a very unnerving tilt to it!


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Dream Eaters - https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/news/2025/jun/02/featured-comic-dream-eaters/

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Bad Mix - https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/Bad_Mix/ - by GabeRoch, rated M.

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Banes - https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/user/Banes/


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Ozoneocean at 6:29PM, June 10, 2025

@Kam- wow, you're actually right about that. I never though about the Greenlantern in that way but it totally tracks with his origin.

Ozoneocean at 6:28PM, June 10, 2025

@PaulEberhardt - Yay, I'm so happy you got what I was saying and it resonated with you :) Seeing something develop is the real experience of it rather than the artificial story history that people keep recreating for the narrative.

KAM at 12:58PM, June 10, 2025

I'm a little annoyed at how they've changed the Green Lantern Corps. With the early Hal Jordan GL stories you could see he was a space version of the Western Frontier Marshal, mostly independent, covering a wide territory, bringing justice to the scattered pockets of 'civilization'. (Heck, even Captain Kirk has elements of Marshal in his literary DNA.) Of course westerns were everywhere those days so even city-bred writers were familiar with the marshal tropes. These days they try to make the GLC as if it's a city police force which completely ignores the scale and independence of what the marshals had to deal with.

PaulEberhardt at 9:33AM, June 10, 2025

It's with fiction as with everything else: without its history it'd lose its identity.

PaulEberhardt at 9:32AM, June 10, 2025

This is an important point, actually, and you're right. In fact, I often enjoy these shows and movies (as well as novel series) for the way you can see how they grew organically, which I think reading webcomics taught me to appreciate even more, really. If that makes any sense.


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