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mlai at 9:37AM, Nov. 22, 2007
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I think he colored Cable's bionic arm wrong…

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Tantz Aerine at 10:11AM, Nov. 22, 2007
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See, nerds will be pedantic about everything. You show an episode of Star Trek to one and you'll get a list of errors a mile long, organised into separate sections like ‘historical’ and ‘physics’.

Heh heh heh! I fall in the category that makes those lists. Unfortunately, I stand by them even if there's eyecandy in the deal. lol!

Then I came to the point I had to create armor for my three different nations, and I gleefully created something that promises to protect- and maybe be useful in an allout battle. (yes, I'm a geek about this stuff and need to share)


This is the Elves' armor of my fantasy universe


This be the Human one

and


This be the Dragon one, without the mechanical wings.
Females have the same.

It may not be something to cause people to touch themselves, but you bet they can see a fighter through lol!
 
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D0m at 10:57AM, Nov. 22, 2007
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For the record, most of the characters in Nadya aren't going to have the traditional large suits of armor. I think it'll make for a more realistic experience. I think it's best when a comic carries a “no-one-is-safe” quality to it…

Nadya- a tale about what happens to SOME of us when we die.

Currently: Nadya is awake and asking more relevant questions.
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Inkmonkey at 11:05AM, Nov. 22, 2007
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Hey guys I drew guys with armor! Not a plug! On topic!
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Tantz Aerine at 11:49AM, Nov. 22, 2007
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That's pretty cool stuff-plug or not! ;)
 
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Lemniskate at 1:39PM, Nov. 22, 2007
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You know, there is this feminist theory about warrior women (or womyn or wymen, I'm not sure…) which says that your average heterosexual white male is at least suspicious about everything that might endanger his superiority, and stong women fall into this category.
So what do heterosexual white males do? If they depict strong women (both physically as well as psychically), they clothe them into very sexy outfits to counterbalance their strength, so that they don't have to be afraid of them. In other words: the stronger a woman is, the more it must be shown that she still is “only” a woman. If she's just a sex symbol you can't take her serious, can you?
 VaƄmyz umoj.
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TitanOne at 7:17PM, Nov. 22, 2007
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I wonder when this fetish trend started… probably Conan?
The difference between this and Conan, I think, is that in Conan both the male and female warriors are under-dressed. It's a primitive world in which strength and ease of movement is more important than constrictive armour. For everyone.


Conan's actually quite egalitarian by comparison.

You're absolutely right! Conan…at least in the comics, tends to be 3/4 naked.
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crazyninny at 7:45PM, Nov. 22, 2007
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I always woundered if those kind of armor girls are really brave, or really stupid.
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Puff_Of_Smoke at 1:02PM, Nov. 23, 2007
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You know, there is this feminist theory about warrior women (or womyn or wymen, I'm not sure…) which says that your average heterosexual white male is at least suspicious about everything that might endanger his superiority, and stong women fall into this category.
So what do heterosexual white males do? If they depict strong women (both physically as well as psychically), they clothe them into very sexy outfits to counterbalance their strength, so that they don't have to be afraid of them. In other words: the stronger a woman is, the more it must be shown that she still is “only” a woman. If she's just a sex symbol you can't take her serious, can you?

That sounds logical.

crazyninny
I always woundered if those kind of armor girls are really brave, or really stupid.

CRAZY.
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I have a gun. It's really powerful. Especially against living things.
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Custard Trout at 12:46AM, Nov. 24, 2007
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I always woundered if those kind of armor girls are really brave, or really stupid.

There's a difference?
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ozoneocean at 9:11AM, Nov. 25, 2007
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So basically to mlai if a codpiece is big enough it counts as armor. I didn't know codpiece was a word. Awesome.
Spartans didn't ever wear cod pieces or any undies at all. The 300 was very crap for that aspect.

The Spartans like all Greeks then wore advanced armour for the time. Kirtles made of hardened leather or thick padded linen around their waists, Bronze grieves on their shins, leather sandals with bronze nails in them for grip, a bronze bell cuiras on the back and chest or one made out of thick padded linen, and then the famous bronze helmet with or without the horse hair crest. (the eyes were NEVER square either, like that silly film). Oh and of course the large round bronze or wooden shield, red cloak, and spear.

But a lot of the older armour was minimal for ease of movement because they lacked the technology to make more protective, better covering armour. The other reason of course would be that it can get quite hot in a lot of those places that pioneered the earlier armour types…

I suppose fantasy armour comes from pulp covers from the 30's to the 40's (maybe even the 20s). So NOT Conan originally. There were others that would have had their pulp debuts, Conan among them, but not first. And there were femes in armour like Jirel of Joiry. But the real growth would have started in the 70's with masters like Frazetta and his Conan art, and later in the 80's there where a lot of artists like Vallejo, Whelan, and Achilleos who really bought it to life.

…then there were all the people working for the Dungeons and Dragons fantasy pulp machine, pumping out a lot of stuff… Not all of it generic, but the volume of it did help to define and make fantasy armour what it is today.
 
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crazyninny at 11:54AM, Nov. 25, 2007
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I always woundered if those kind of armor girls are really brave, or really stupid.

There's a difference?

I think there is. At least, some one tolled me there was a difference from the 2.
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Inkmonkey at 1:02PM, Nov. 25, 2007
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Stupidity is doing something dangerous and thinking it's safe; bravery is doing something dangerous when you know how unsafe it is.
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Fenn at 3:00PM, Nov. 25, 2007
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Stupidity is doing something dangerous and thinking it's safe; bravery is doing something dangerous when you know how unsafe it is.
I dunno, they both sound stupid to me.
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mlai at 3:13PM, Nov. 25, 2007
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If you live, it was courage. If you die, it was stupidity.

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Rutger at 3:22PM, Nov. 25, 2007
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So people who died for their countries and are considered heroes are in fact just stupid people?

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Inkmonkey at 5:12PM, Nov. 25, 2007
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Stupidity is doing something dangerous and thinking it's safe; bravery is doing something dangerous when you know how unsafe it is.
I dunno, they both sound stupid to me.

Well, I did genearalize it quite a bit for the sake of making something short and quotable. But in the basic realm of “doing dumbass shit”, the guy who realizes he's in mortal danger but does it anyway is more likely to be actually brave.
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mlai at 5:56PM, Nov. 25, 2007
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So people who died for their countries and are considered heroes are in fact just stupid people?
In general, I would say no. But that is a matter of opinion. Especially in these times.

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lastcall at 5:20AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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That's what always amused me about Xena:Warrior Princess, which used to be one of my favorite shows. My favorite character on that show was Callisto, basically because she was pure chaotic evil. She killed anything and everything, and had pure hatred for Xena. But…her armor was completely useless. She showed a crap-load of skin, and yet she somehow never got a scratch on her. …Maybe because after the tenth time she died on that show, she became a god. I lost count how many times they brought her back.
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tanya86 at 8:06AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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Fantasy armor for women is not really armor but then again men are mostly likely too distracted to fight them anyways.
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shaneronzio at 9:01AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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yeah, she probably wouldn't last very long in a real world battle…
who cares.

she purdy

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What the hell is armor?
Correction…
Vat da hell iz AMAH?
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lastcall at 10:09AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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You know, there is this feminist theory about warrior women (or womyn or wymen, I'm not sure…) which says that your average heterosexual white male is at least suspicious about everything that might endanger his superiority, and stong women fall into this category.
So what do heterosexual white males do? If they depict strong women (both physically as well as psychically), they clothe them into very sexy outfits to counterbalance their strength, so that they don't have to be afraid of them. In other words: the stronger a woman is, the more it must be shown that she still is “only” a woman. If she's just a sex symbol you can't take her serious, can you?

Wow, I never thought about that. You damn macho pigs, you!
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ozoneocean at 10:30AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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Ha! It's a good little theory, but I think it's too neat and cute really. lol!

If anything, men admire strength and beauty. A warrior woman is the perfect mix of two things we rally love. ^_^
Even cuter and neater ;)
 
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WingNut at 11:16AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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Yup, Oz is right. Strong, beautiful warrior women? I'm a fan.

I've always found fantasy armor a tad silly, but there are just some things that are too damn cool to not exist. Large helmet crests, interesting patterns emblazoned on the armor, all of these are highly impractical but I'll be damned if they don't look amazing.

And hey, for us, it's all about the look. ;D

-W
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TheMidge28 at 11:45AM, Dec. 3, 2007
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but it is fantasy armor, right?
the girl could wear a Brooch of Protection and run around butt naked in a fantasy setting and not get hurt.
It's magical!
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shaneronzio at 12:12PM, Dec. 3, 2007
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but it is fantasy armor, right?
the girl could wear a Brooch of Protection and run around butt naked in a fantasy setting and not get hurt.
It's magical!

:) :) :)
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ozoneocean at 12:19AM, Dec. 4, 2007
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Your nekkid thing is fine, but more recognisable armour adds to the look a lot more.

Anyway, that magical element comes from myth. There are a wealth of religious/mythical tales about such minimal yet very protective armour…

Even today many of those African militias have those sorts of beliefs. Magical protection from bullets… :)

The best “sexy” real armour I've seen comes from India. Female breast plates that actually really do include breasts. That's real antique armour, and not a one off either, I've seen it in art galleries and museums.
 
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lastcall at 3:39AM, Dec. 4, 2007
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….And the funny thing is, a minute later, she magically takes out all of those arrows and hurls them back out at her enemies. It's great.

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Custard Trout at 4:07AM, Dec. 4, 2007
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Yup, Oz is right. Strong, beautiful warrior women? I'm a fan.

I've always found fantasy armor a tad silly, but there are just some things that are too damn cool to not exist. Large helmet crests, interesting patterns emblazoned on the armor, all of these are highly impractical but I'll be damned if they don't look amazing.

And hey, for us, it's all about the look. ;D

-W

Actually, quite a lot of cultures throughout history have decorative armour, I suppose most of it was ceremonial though.

Unless you're talking about Celts, they fought in the nud.
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CharleyHorse at 6:14AM, Dec. 4, 2007
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You know, there is this feminist theory about warrior women . . . which says that your average heterosexual white male is at least suspicious about everything that might endanger his superiority, and stong women fall into this category . . . So what do . . . males do? If they depict strong women (both physically as well as psychically), they clothe them into very sexy outfits to counterbalance their strength, so that they don't have to be afraid of them.

In other words: the stronger a woman is, the more it must be shown that she still is “only” a woman. If she's just a sex symbol you can't take her serious, can you?

That's a good assessment of feminist think at a scholarly level. It's bunk, but it's good bunk, Lemniskate. I'm not singling out feminist scholars, here, because MOST scholarly theories are bunk to one degree or another. IT derives from the old publish or perish requirements for professors trying to attain tenure; it derives from narrow field specialist graduate students trying to please their own professors while somehow distinguishing themselves even slightly from the rest of the student pack of equally narrow-field specialists, and it derives from a fundamental lack of cynicism or knowledge of business imperatives to earn money for the company.

The truth is that this tradition of depicting mostly nude warrior women in comics and illustrations came from pandering to the prurient sexual interests of your typical white male , usually teenage geekazoid who didn't have access to much if any porn in those days but who wanted access, craved access, but would make do with skin shots of ordinarily fit and healthy barbarian females.

"Gee-wiz, Mom and Dad, it's not pornography, it's a comic book about barbarians saving their world from dragon lords! I would NEVER buy porn. This is intellectual literature. I'm learning about history and ancient cultures. Would you please get your minds out of the gutter?! Bye!“

Slam!

”Ooooooh . . . Red Sonya baby. Oh . . . get a gander at those thighs. You can ride my body anytime you like. I've got your Conan-sized broad sword right here baby!" Frap! Frap! Frap!

And so forth.

It was always warrior women because warriors are dramatic in nature and could theoretically have run around three quarters naked. Since there weren't any independent, roving, barbarian warrior females going one-on-one against hulking barbarian males and beating them, it's theoretically possible that they would have all looked like a cross between Ms. Olympia and the currently popular porn star actress right? Right?!

Yeah, riiiiiight. For verisimilitude, after all, the artist couldn't have justified depicting the average peasant female as a quasi nudist in everyday activities. But barbarian warrior females were fair game and tended to bring in that gekazoid fifty cents per comic issue.

Depicting mostly naked females was and is a business interest of the retail comic industry, it is an interesting and entertaining past time of the average male artist in possession of a healthy fascination for the sensual beauty of the female form, and it is a use of eye candy for the readership.

Oddly enough, even though our society is porn saturated thanks to the Internet, there is as much or even more interest today in partly clothed warrior women than there was during the 1960s and 70s. Go figure.








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