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School blocking sites... Bad... or for our own good...
subcultured at 8:11AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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heeeeey who invited the grammar police to our party ^_-
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Pixie at 8:17AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Ah, and I should probably add, though not entirely relevant to this discussion, that within comics (particularly manga), the ellipsis (or a similar form) takes on one additional role. That is to indicate a lack of speech, usually a result of hesitation, surprise, or deep thought before speaking - in comedy comics, it's often the ‘pause for laugh’. It's another means to show time passing, to keep the eye on the speech bubble containing only “…” for a moment before moving on to dialogue.

This practice is sometimes frowned upon by certain sections of the comic-making community, but is still in common use.

Sorry, I've gone very off-topic. Please excuse me, I'll stop now. :)

Sorry Sub! I can't help being grammar police! I stop now, okay? :'(
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SpANG at 8:20AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Grammar lesson

True, But that's not what kain uses ellipses for. See, kain is obviously a texter.

When writing in the grown up world, some texters incorrectly write their posts in one huge clump. Kain does this to separate his thoughts and sentences, which is incorrect. There are no “missing sentiments” or “drama” in his case. This it it! ;)

I suppose we should be happy he doesn't use 1337.
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Pixie at 8:32AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Grammar lesson

True, But that's not what kain uses ellipses for. See, kain is obviously a texter.

When writing in the grown up world, some texters incorrectly write their posts in one huge clump. Kain does this to separate his thoughts and sentences, which is incorrect. There are no “missing sentiments” or “drama” in his case. This it it! ;)

I suppose we should be happy he doesn't use 1337.

This is true, Spang! :)

However, it is still incorrect to say:

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Periods are solitary creatures, and don't need to travel in packs ('…' )

Because they do. In certain circumstances, the period likes a threesome! ;)
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AQua_ng at 8:34AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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You dirty girl!

Anyway, can you enlighten me to what a ‘texter’ is? I honestly have no clue to that.

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Bekefel at 8:35AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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See, NLTC was the same. He told me while he was thinking of what to say he wrote elipses, which is silly. But its why his old posts looked like this:

NTLC
hey guys…………..im new to dd……sup?

Also this might help with Kain.

http://www.drunkduck.com/community/view_topic.php?tid=22572&cid=244



What was this thread about again? :)
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imshard at 9:31AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Subject: if schools should block non-educational sites
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Frostflowers at 10:26AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Grammar lesson
I guess this is why I shouldn't try to get too smart about grammar when it isn't my native language. :)

However, it should be pointed out that, like Spang said, kain doesn't use his elipses (sp?) in any of the conventional ways. He's merely filling up space. It's apparently a text-message fad that has moved on to the ‘net and only serves to make posters look like their ’.' key has gotten stuck.

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I can't help it! I'm a writer - purposely bad grammar makes me sneeze! :P
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Rutger at 10:34AM, Oct. 25, 2007
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Short_Circuiting at 6:50PM, Oct. 26, 2007
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Schools shouldn't have it.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. The world is moving on and technology is more and more becoming a part of everyone's lives. We can't ignore it. Removing the internet from schools would set us back about thirty years.
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bobby_the_kid at 7:54PM, Oct. 26, 2007
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bleah.

blocking is only good when it makes sense.

but they DO need to allow a few more fun sites…that aren't math games.
i mean…do we really wanna spend a free day on the comp learning about math or rennaisennce Europe?
no.

and NO REMOVING THE INTERNETTT!!

*hugs it*

that would make things dammed impossible.
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imshard at 8:39PM, Oct. 26, 2007
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Why? I mean really. Why would anybody need something non-educational in an educational facility. You got free time and need something to do? Go to the gym ya lazy bum!

Just kidding. When I was running school computer labs I'd let one or two computers have access to popcap or crazymonkey if the kids deserved it. At a high school I worked at I even let them have watered down LAN parties using the school systems on special occasions. All in moderation guys. The main point though it that students should NOT have unrestricted access in schools let alone during class hours.
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Thevampire_kain01 at 5:08AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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*head starts to shake in confusement* ok…. maby this was a bad idea and maby im crazy. But what is the columbus public schools blockpage e-mail adress? and they even block the educational stuff….. look up “ Flash virtual piano” some of the sites will be blocked. any way…. *head explodes for no particular reason* i call citicens arest on the grammer police. Noticed i used misspelled words to draw them out…. LETS watch! they will bottle up the comment for a moment then *POP*! they can't hold it no more and they have to correct my bad spelling over the internet!
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imshard at 6:10AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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ok lets put it to you this way, if you had to develop routing blocks against the ENTIRE FREAKING INTERNET, and there was something as easily blocked and widely abused as a flash video, do your think your school IT director is more worried about the Dora the exploreer, and virtual piano, or the adult section of newgrounds? There is always another legitimate resource that can be used as an alternative to a blocked site. IT admins are forced to block very broad categories for the same reason parents don't let their kids loose in a red light district after dark. While they Might be safe and avoid dangerous areas its too much of a risk to take. In fact it would be stupid and irresponsible not to use widespread blocks. Believe it or not network admins normally have a good reason for their actions. It is not their job to make sure the students are miserable. Thats what the PE teachers are for.
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bobby_the_kid at 6:11AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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o-o

*pats him on the back*

cool it,vampy.

we DO need non-educational stuff.even just A non educational-website.
there are more things that go on in school then learning.trust me.
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Thevampire_kain01 at 10:23AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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o-o

*pats him on the back*

cool it,vampy.

we DO need non-educational stuff.even just A non educational-website.
there are more things that go on in school then learning.trust me.
YES!YES! THANKYOU! so,e one freaking agrees with me… in a your face!
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SpANG at 10:25AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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bobby_the_kid
o-o

*pats him on the back*

cool it,vampy.

we DO need non-educational stuff.even just A non educational-website.
there are more things that go on in school then learning.trust me.
YES!YES! THANKYOU! so,e one freaking agrees with me… in a your face!

No offense, but you two seem to need MORE education, not less. Trust me.
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ShadowDion at 11:04AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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o-o

*pats him on the back*

cool it,vampy.

we DO need non-educational stuff.even just A non educational-website.
there are more things that go on in school then learning.trust me.

i'm sure everyone here has gone to school and is aware that obviously a lot of stuff goes on that doesn't relate to education, but school is about that. people don't pay taxes so you can go and watch some guy beat mario bros. 3 in 12 minutes. i am not for school's blocking sites, but more and more i see that the freedom of the internet is something like all freedoms that should be earned and deserved.
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imshard at 11:48AM, Oct. 29, 2007
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I agree. I advocate the institution of computer user licenses. like driving a car of flying plane, you should pass a test of basic users skills before you can use public computers. yeah right, NOT.
Indeed it is a freedom that should be earned but like any liberty you shouldn't exercise it at the expense of others. kicking back and playing runescape and checking out your myspace at school is an irresponsible use of MY daxdollar you underage cretins.
Blocking is a way to protect the schools purpose as an educational center regardless of how miserably it is failing or succeeding in teaching the students. They have the right to their full internet at home.
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Poke Alster at 8:44AM, Nov. 7, 2007
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heeeeey who invited the grammar police to our party ^_-



Alas that would be me, i accidently pressed the “call the grammar police” button
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VinceLikesRooster at 8:58AM, Nov. 7, 2007
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I update my comic at school and if drunkduck is blocked, then I can't update!:(. Oh, for the blocked sites, use A FUCKING PROXY!!!!!!!




Example:https://vtunnel.us
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imshard at 12:01PM, Nov. 7, 2007
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actually proxy detection and blocking is a standard feature included with most school restrictions software. Results may vary if you try to use a proxy. But seriously to the school-age users reading this: do the teachers not give you enough to do, that you have time to update your comics and play games?
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VinceLikesRooster at 1:46PM, Nov. 7, 2007
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This proxy is hard to block and not easy to detect
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barking_frog at 1:55PM, Nov. 7, 2007
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As far as school being all about learning – no, not really. Public school is primarily about indoctrination and socialization – basic skills are to a large extent a secondary emphasis (it doesn't take 12 years to teach kids to read, write, and figger maths).

This is covered in any four-year teaching college – your primary purpose in the classroom as a teacher is to teach the kids to be good little citizens and prepare them to function in the 40-hour-per-week work environment, do what the boss says, and to get along with their government and others.

As such, maybe blocking random useful public-access research sources is a useful way to teach the next generation how to deal with pointless frustration and administrative stupidity. That seems like potentially a pretty valuable lesson to me!

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marine at 2:07PM, Nov. 7, 2007
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your primary purpose in the classroom as a teacher is to teach the kids to be good little citizens and prepare them to function in the 40-hour-per-week work environment, do what the boss says, and to get along with their government and others.

Public schools have failed. At the least in my case.
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Poke Alster at 7:55AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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Spacetube.com is pretty good for unblocking sites
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Pixie at 8:08AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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Schools shouldn't have it.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. The world is moving on and technology is more and more becoming a part of everyone's lives. We can't ignore it. Removing the internet from schools would set us back about thirty years.

How, exactly, would it set us back thirty years? Can I remind you that I'm only 25, and yet we did not have the internet in my school? More to the point, of what use is the internet to schools?

Note that I'm not saying schools shouldn't have top of the range computers, or the latest software, or have all their computers on an intranet. However, the internet is not a viable form of information gathering, and I can honestly think of no reason why students should need it while at school. Anyone can publish on the internet, which makes it an unrealiable source. Teachers don't accept internet sources - the one that gets brought up most at this point in the conversation is, unsurprisingly, the one most used to gather “reliable” information when on the net, wikipedia - so why on earth should kids have access to the net on school time? If the teacher desperately needs some resource (say, image files) from the internet for a class, it's really no big deal to give him or her access - but the kids? No. It's not useful.

The internet is not a wonderful educational source, nor a font of information - in essence, it's nothing more than a vast global communication device. A great big social orgy. It's not useful to students, it's a distraction and a time waster.

School is for learning, not messing about, not playing games, not surfing for porn, not poking your friends on facebook, not leaving silly comments in forums. By all means, do all of those things when you get home, but while you're at school you shouldn't have it.

And that's not taking kids back thirty years in terms of technology, not at all. It's no more offensive - nor any less sensible - than banning mobile phones in classrooms. Which all schools should also do.
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ozoneocean at 8:55AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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I have to agree with Pix there.

There are some new theories, resources, teaching methods, and programs that rely on and use the net, but the time wasting/distraction aspect really does seem to far outwiegh the (mostly) proposed benefits.
 
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Poke Alster at 9:04AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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I have to agree with ozoneocean and pixie on this one
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Custard Trout at 9:08AM, Nov. 9, 2007
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It's no more offensive - nor any less sensible - than banning mobile phones in classrooms. Which all schools should also do.

WOT?

But when will I phone my friends? I can't do it at home because then the purpose of having a phone that I take to school with me is completely defeated!

THAT IS LIKE SAYING WE SEND OUR OFFSPRING TO SCHOOL TO LEARN THINGS INSTEAD OF TO DICK ABOUT ON THE INTERNET.
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