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QUACKCAST 429 - Bad ends, not bad fans

Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, June 4, 2019

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This Quackcast was inspired by the fan reaction to Game of Thrones, a series that I haven't watched but Tantz and Banes have! Specifically it's about poorly written endings and gas-lighting fans rather than admitting to faults.
No matter how great we are at writing (and the GOT guys MUST be good to have created such a popular show), that's no proof against writing a poor ending. Endings are the HARDEST things to do well, it's devilishly easy to flub them. Most fans of the GOT series seem disappointed, which would indicate it's more likely to be a bad end than them not “getting it”, but that seems to be the narrative. And we've seen that happen before with things like the Mass Effect Game series, the Battlestar Galactica reboot, Dexter, Lost etc.
The industry has to support their talent so they'll defend the poor work regardless and gas-light the fans. To be fair,poor endings can be beyond the control of the creators: lack of budget and a mental breakdown gave us a very improvised end to Neon Genesis Evangellion… the creators did the best with what they had.

But the lesson I take away from this is that sometimes, just sometimes, fans are right, and we should listen to them when we're creating. NOT by giving them the silly shipping and fan-service they secretly dream off, but to help us realise when we're veering wildly off-target.

This week Gunwallace has given us the theme to Embrace the Pun - In the words of the great man himself: “sax and violins … it's a musical pun as a theme tune.” The measured, stable regularity of the violin and quiet percussion are contrasted starkly against the wild wanderings of the jazzy Saxophone as it stomps into the room, kicks over the carefully arranged furniture and pees on a pot plant.

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Kou the Mad at 11:45AM, June 8, 2019

There are videos on Youtube that go into it that are better than I at explaining and going into detail.

Kou the Mad at 11:44AM, June 8, 2019

Basically the 2nd half of Season 6 (For the first half, the fans, myself included, were actually pretty hopeful as it was for that first half was pretty good.) devolved into '2 characters who had little time alone together and never showed any interest in each other are implied to be together at the end because they are a popular ship.' Admittedly it hasn't been confirmed, but it was out of nowhere, and they ruined one of their villains to do that entire thing. Also The End Boss so to speak was a dull slog (I liked the fight, most didn't.).

Ozoneocean at 11:45PM, June 5, 2019

We DO need paragraphs! And that was a great comment. I'd like to know more about the shipping issue... I know they did that with Gabrielle and Xena back in the day because it was something the fans cried out for.

Kou the Mad at 12:53PM, June 5, 2019

(Because I didn't have enough room (Also we could really use paragraphing in comments.).) Shipping in general has become a huge problem the last few years.

Kou the Mad at 12:52PM, June 5, 2019

The last 2 episodes were pretty bad, The character motivations kinda went crazy, alot of them acted pretty out of character (Brienne might be one of the only ones who didn't do so too much, but even she suffered from it.) I don't think any real lessons were learned, it kinda felt like at the end "Well the war is over, now what?". And then Westeros becomes the Holy Roman Empire (Not to be confused with the Roman Empire proper or it's successor States The Western Roman Empire (Who got bodies super hard real fast.) and the Eastern Roman Empire (Who survived a while and become the Byzantine Empire/Byzantium.).). It just didn't feel remotely natural, and it's not because I was shocked or anything, I was kinda spoiled you know who went crazy. Then they threw the book on the table and I went out loud "Oh Fuck off. Fuck you." Writers should never allowed to put their ships and fanservice they want into a product, otherwise it goes off the rails (Looking at you RWBY writers.).

Ozoneocean at 9:39AM, June 5, 2019

Thanks ShaRose :D

ShaRose49 at 7:37AM, June 5, 2019

It’s sad how arrogant writers are these days Good podcast guys!

Ozoneocean at 8:17PM, June 4, 2019

Maybe El Cid... :D but I think they were quite disappointed at a lot of the dud notes.

El Cid at 5:24PM, June 4, 2019

I think a lot of viewers were just upset to discover they could be manipulated into following a charismatic leader who in the end goes on to massacre millions of people.

Jason Moon at 10:04AM, June 4, 2019

I haven't seen an episode of G.O.T and I'm surprised by all the buzz going around from it! I will have to check it out. I can't imagine the ending being THAT bad, besides even if its a villain win in the end it can still be entertaining

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