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Quackcast 664 - Parody and satire

Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, Dec. 5, 2023

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We're talking about parody and its evil twin satire. There are good parodies and bad ones but we feel the better parodies are the indirect ones that make fun of and exaggerate the theme or the vibe of something rather that simply doing a direct copy but with jokes; For example, Austin Powers and Kingsmen are indirect parodies of spy films, Blazing saddles is an indirect parody of Westerns, The Princess Bride and Shrek are indirect parodies of fairy tales, Galaxy Quest and the Orville (first season) are indirect parodies of TV SciFi shows etc.

Direct parodies can be great too, like Spaceballs, or McGruber, but they run more of a risk of by relying on the fact that you've seen the original. Another main type pf of parody are the grab-bag ones that include direct parody scenes from all sorts of different IPs, these are probably the weakest of the type. Things like Hotshots, Meet the Spartans, and Not another teen Movie are good examples. Finally there's satire, which is parody with a point, sometimes those points are very sharp! satire uses parody to make clever comments, it's not just making fun of the tropes it uses. Good examples are The Life of Brian, and The Onion website, Whachtmen (the comic and movie), The Boys (TV series and comic). Horrible examples are the fake news sites that use “satire” as a defense when in reality they only exist to spread misinformation, propaganda and sell advertising.

It's a genre I love when it's done right, with things like Dodgeball, Tropic Thunder, Team America, and Cold Comfort Farm
What are your fave types of parody? What are your fave parodies and satires? Can you name any parody comics here on DD?

This week Gunwallace has given us a theme inspired by Huckleberry - an eclectic mix of scattered, percussive themes that coalesce into a dance of multicoloured joy and energy.

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Featured music:
Huckleberry - - by Matt Comics, rated E.

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Matt Comics at 1:49PM, Dec. 7, 2023

Thanks for the fun theme, Gunwallace!! I'm glad you found musical inspiration in my comic.

Ozoneocean at 6:03AM, Dec. 6, 2023

@Bravo- I watched a lot of Cary On as a kid. I never really thought of them as parodies... mainly an excuse to make bad sex jokes and who tits, haha! And of course a vehicle for that awesome cast. Though the last Carry On film I saw in the cinema, Carry On Columbus was definitely a parody! -Of Columbus generally plus the two mainstream Columbus films that came out at the same time as it. Talking of English movies reminds me of Up Pompeii with Frankie Howard. That is a parody of Roman plays as well as all the very serious Roman dramas made by the BBC and Hollywood.

Ozoneocean at 5:56AM, Dec. 6, 2023

@Inky- yeah some satire is quite mean spirited and nasty. It doesn't appeal to me either when it's like that.

Ozoneocean at 5:53AM, Dec. 6, 2023

@PaulEberhardt - Beowulf is 600 years older than the legend of King Arthur XD We think of King Arthur as older because people talk about the stories it was based on which are not actually King Arthur, which was a fantasy history written by Geoffrey of Monmouth in the 1100s. The story of King Arthur didn't exist till then... some of the scattered legends that helped inspire old Geoff might have been about someone like Arthur and even with that name but they're not the story of King Arthur. It's like Wagner's ring cycle isn't an earlier version of lord of the rings, or the legends that Snori and Saxo wrote about aren't earlier versions of the Ring Cycle. ^_^

bravo1102 at 3:20AM, Dec. 6, 2023

There are also tributes and nods to other works. Bob Hope movies did that a lot. Several of the Martin and Lewis parodies contain tributes to Hope and Crosby. Though of course a satire could be so subtle that no one except maybe the creator gets it. That is true for most of my work all of which is satire with a few verging on parody just because of the ultimately ridiculous premise.

bravo1102 at 3:10AM, Dec. 6, 2023

Airplane, Scary Movie et al. And the Carry on... Are parodies. They make fun of the genre conventions as well as specific references. Some of them are also satires because of how they skewer various themes like An American Carol. That one was really misunderstood by a lot of people. Another great satire of King Arthur stories is Mark Twain Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. It takes aim on Sir Walter Scott's works especially. Parodies can be surreal totally twisting genre conventions. That is called pythonesque.

InkyMoondrop at 3:09AM, Dec. 6, 2023

What are your fave types of parody? - Ones that manage to be something of their own rather than just simply be funny versions of soemthing else. It can be hilarious even if it doesn't manage that, but usually it's more suitable for comedy sketches rather than full movies or franchises. What are your fave parodies and satires? Hard to say. I like comedies with a heart. Satiric humor (especially in recent films about the upper 1%) is usually just mean, sadistic and unconstructive, while people whose opinions it was meant to validate think it's deep. It's not deep, it doesn't challenge anyone's takes on anything. You're shallow. Can you name any parody comics here on DD? - Not anymore.

PaulEberhardt at 1:47AM, Dec. 6, 2023

Beowulf is probably a couple of centuries newer than the legend of King Arthur. The latter has sources that reach back to Roman times, if I'm not mistaken. Neither of them are satires. They are full of allusions to things like Christianization and good leadership vs. bad leadership and much else that was important at the time they were written down or had been important to the people that had passed them down to those who wrote them down by oral tradition, exaggerations, morals, humour and fireside storytelling tricks included, but that doesn't make them satires. They didn't have such a rich media landscape back then, you might say, so whenever anyone took the great trouble of saving a tale for posterity, he'd try and compress as much of what moved people's thoughts into it as he could. That's my hypothesis anyway.

PaulEberhardt at 1:31AM, Dec. 6, 2023

Fully and wholeheartedly agreed: a good parody is never just a copy but something with its own twist; the part that's copied is just to get people's attention. Easter eggs are different. They are nods to other artists/authors or jibes at them, but they don't make the whole work a parody just by being present. That's why I'm hesitant to call gag barrages like the Naked Gun movies parodies; they just drive the concept of Easter eggs over the top. Satire always runs a certain risk of coming across as preaching with a wagging finger, which is the one thing to avoid there. Good satire makes its point by being entertaining at first and then letting you stumble and miserably fall over it, so it really hits home when any moral preachings would have lost your attention long ago. It's a much-misunderstood genre.

bravo1102 at 12:04AM, Dec. 6, 2023

Don Quixote is the satire of Medieval romances like King Arthur. There is also a parody King Arthur type story in The Canterbury Tales. Beowulf is an Anglo-Saxon epic not a satire or parody.

Ozoneocean at 6:04PM, Dec. 5, 2023

@mks_monsters - hmm, not all satires and parodies are funny but most are :) I really don't think Beowulf was a satire though? It's older than King Arthur I believe. Much older. If anything the Arthurian tale would be a satire on Beowulf, but even then not really... more of just a derivative story? But they're SO different though? Arthur is a chosen one who's destined to become king- becomes king, unifies the land, has adventures, has a wizard etc all in Britain or Wales. Beowulf is stranger, walks into town (Denmark?), befriends the king, helps kill a monster. Kills monsters more monstrous mum. forms a gang of friends, goes on adventures, kills a dragon (or the dragon kills him?)... They both have famous swords but Nothung isn't really special like Excalibur.

Ozoneocean at 5:52PM, Dec. 5, 2023

@davidxolukoga - oh yea, hentai action theater is one of my faves!!

mks_monsters at 4:16PM, Dec. 5, 2023

I like them, but people forget that not all satires. Beowulf was a satire on King Arthur and is was not a comedy. It was dark, but still great and impactful. I have to admit that I myself kind of prefer dark parodies and satires to funny ones most of the time especially when they make a very compelling point at how toxic the content their spoofing is.

davidxolukoga at 4:36AM, Dec. 5, 2023

oh and hentai action theater

davidxolukoga at 3:22AM, Dec. 5, 2023

dd parodies/satires: Albion, origin, spleen, some stories in lite bites (just off the top of my head)

Ozoneocean at 1:55AM, Dec. 4, 2023

@marcorossi - mistakenly posted early haha!

marcorossi at 8:11AM, Dec. 2, 2023

Looks like a re-edition

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