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Quackcast 641 - Bodycast

Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, June 27, 2023

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Injuries, especially to the head can be extremely bad but people are hit over the bonce and knocked out in popculture all the time. In violent sports like boxing or MMA it's often a goal, it's a common thing in games too, the “KO” is a staple. In TV shows, movies and comics it's seen as a kind way to deal with an enemy, people will even do it to their very best friends to protect them from going through with some scary activity, often knocking them out and tying them up and then taking their place or something. Knocking people out has become so memed that the fantasy version has replaced the real version and it's even influenced how we think about it.

We do the same thing with spies (no spy mission is ever like James bond, Mission Impossible, Kingsman or Archer, which actually tackles the knockout meme realistically), the concept of losing one's virginity (no, “popping a cherry” in not a thing, hymens do not need to be broken), Ninjas (nothing at all like popculture), and the idea that anyone would ever wear a giant sword on their back to go into battle (no one ever did that because it's impossible to use).
The reality is that loss of consciousness caused by sudden force to the head is incredibly dangerous and can lead to brain damage and even death. Even “putting someone to sleep” using a sleeper hold, a pill, injection, or gas is dangerous and not to be taken lightly, unlike the moronic idea we have of its safety from pop culture.

The inspiration for this cast was my own experience with unconsciousness due to a riding accident I had last week where I fell off an cantering horse, was knocked out and then had amnesia till I came back to full awareness some time later with no memory of the incident. So we're chatting about injuries in webcomics and pop culture and how the handling of them is different from reality. i.e all those times people get shot harmlessly or dig out bullets from their shoulders… (doctors will often leave bullets inside a person and not dig them out unless there's a safety issue).

What stupid pop culture versions of injuries are you aware of or have you used yourself?

This week Gunwallace has given us a theme inspired by Conscripted - Wiry electric guitar burns into the hot desert sands with this metal meta version of the classic “Arabian Riff” (also known as “The Streets of Cairo”, “The Poor Little Country Maid”, and “the snake charmer song”). A very interesting tune popularised in the late 19th century by American Sol Bloom and has since become the characteristic sound of the middle east in pop culture. Gunwallace’s version for Conscripted is heavy, fiery and strong.
This is Gunwallace’s second take on Conscripted, the first was a more calm and contemplative piece in Quackcast 545.

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Featured comic:
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Featured music:
Conscripted - - by Dragonsong12, rated E.

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PaulEberhardt at 2:02PM, June 27, 2023

The human body is sometimes surprisingly tough, but it's within certain limits, and it needs time to heal. Interestingly enough, violence is often toned down to make something more "child friendly", and the result is that hitting someone on the head with a wooden mallet may look to some kids like a way to resolve interpersonal conflicts - after all the other guy only gets a bump and a funny face... And, damn, I can't resist drawing that kind of thing either, because it's so much more fun than realism. And I did have my share of head and other injuries myself, but that doesn't change anything at all.

MOrgan at 1:09PM, June 27, 2023

There's an old Mad magazine parody of TV fights and they list the injuries that someone would suffer from the various blows they illustrate and the next to last panel has "leading to sudden death." and the last panel says, "But that's just round one of the TV fight." ;-)

MOrgan at 1:06PM, June 27, 2023

Let's not forget the canard of shooting someone in the arm or leg as a 'safe' way of stopping someone. Yeah, there are lots of blood vessels in the arms & legs that can cause someone to bleed to death.

marcorossi at 8:05AM, June 27, 2023

I insist on this because I do judo and I often try chokeholds on my gym mates, who often are much smaller and younger than me, it would be a problem if it really was so easy to kill someone with a chokehold.

marcorossi at 8:02AM, June 27, 2023

It can lead to death if the attacker insists for various seconds after the victim becomes unconscious, something that will not happen in the presence of a referee, which is what I was speaking about.

Ozoneocean at 6:55AM, June 27, 2023

Lest we forget the guy that was killed on a train in New York because an ex-marine put him in a choke hold. Lots of police in the USA use that move and it often leads to death.

marcorossi at 2:18AM, June 27, 2023

Part of the problem IMHO is that sometimes the author just needs someone to be knocked out on the spot, so you have teople getting a one punch KO by anyoe, whereas in reality it takes a lot of beatings to really KO someone, which of course makes it much more painful and damaging for the victim. Chokeholds are valid in judo and in other combat sports, however they are praticed with a referee who can stop the fighting if the situation looks bad (also chokeholds done by people who don't know what they are doing might turn into neck cranks, which are way more dangerous, don't do this at home kids). That said, a chokehold done pproperly by someone who has learned how to do it and under conditions of safety (eg. with an instructor or a referee watching) doesn't lead to permanent consequences unless it is protracted for MANY seconds after the victim passes out, there are many studies on this (mostly by japanese universities about judo).

Furwerk studio at 1:59AM, June 27, 2023

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Furwerk studio at 1:53AM, June 27, 2023

I had dozens of "should had gone to the hospital" injuries over time but a more recent one is blowing out me knee. It was a combo of getting hit by a car, pushing myself at work (I was an overnight passenger assistant at Sky harbor) and pushing myself in the move to Florida. I had to go to the ER by ambulance and it was on the razor's edge of requiring surgery. So afterwards I spent a day or so stuck in bed before forcing myself to walk extremely painfully due to the fact mom spent her time drinking with a coworker instead of getting our things into storage. We lived in the third floor of the Biltmore Extend a stay, and their elevator was broken. But hey, I eventually did get to walk pain free, after four months of limping.

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